Questions for Old Timer's Thread

[Doomsday101]

Sorry, but superstitions, curses and the like are for girls, and the weak-minded, which catagory do you fit in?

Your right but then why take a chance? LOL Dallas just does not wear dark blue at home curse or no curse

 

[DallasCowpoke]

Dallas just does not wear dark blue at home curse or no curse

Thanksgiving, 06 vs Tampa @ Texas Stadium...

:umm:

 

[trickblue]

Dandy Don nicknamed Walt Garrison "Puddin'"...

Garrison's signing bonus was a new horse trailer...

We once played in a game with a broken ankle...

Meredith took Garrison out drinking one night before a game and got him good and liquored up. Garrison said he had a terrible hangover the next day but wasn't too worried because he wasn't playing too much. Meredith called a timeout and went to talk to Landry. Landry asked him what he suggested they do. He looked over at Garrison reeling on the sideline from the night before and told Landry "I think we should put puddin' in, coach"...

Garrison said Landry put him in the game and Meredith proceeded to call a hand-off to him on every play...

He also has some good stories on Ditka and said Ditka was a tattletale and coaches pet and made many of the other players miserable...

You MUST read his book "Once a Cowboy"... you will come away realizing that Don Meredith maybe be the coolest cat to ever play in the NFL...

From Publishers Weekly
Garrison is an archetypal Texan: he grew up in a small town there, became a rodeo rider at the age of 12, played for the Dallas Cowboys in the late '60s and early '70s, when the team had eight straight playoff years. And, with his delightful sense of anecdote, this memoir, coauthored with Tullius ( I'd Rather Be a Yankee ), is less the autobiography of a football player than a series of entertaining stories. We read wonderful reminiscences of Garrison's fellow players Don Meredith, Craig Morton, Dan Reeves, Mike Ditka and Bob Lilly, most of them involving wine, women, song and cards. The authors also present cogent arguments as to why Tom Landry is a coaching genius. With this touchdown book Garrison proves himself one of football's prime raconteurs. Photos not seen by PW.

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This book will also tell you an awful lot about the late 1960 early 1970's Cowboy teams and players and what made them "America's Team". From practical jokes on Landry, Lilly, Ditka etc, to riding a real horse into a bar one night, they may be the most colorful assenbly of players ever...

 

[trickblue]

So, there's no accounting for the fact that the blue jerseys were worn about 1/8th the time as the whites, since 80% of the rest of the NFL wore dark as home jerseys, therefore making it an average of about twice in any given season that they'd make an appearance?

That was all Tex Schramm. Traditionally teams wore their dark jerseys at home. Tex felt the fans would tire of seeing Cowboys in blue and the opponents in white every game so he elected to have the Cowboys wear white at home so fans could see the other colors in the NFL...

 

[Cliff]

Ok, the season is over.

We're re-re-re-re-hashing how much we love/hate Parcells. It's getting a bit old.

Around the time I started lurking here, there was an old-timers thread where younger Cowboys fans asked questions to this forum's AARP elite. :

Anyway, I thought I'd start another one....see if any of you fogies are around. I'm 25 years old and have been watching the 'Boys since Herschel Walker....and so I failed to witness some 20 years of Cowboys history.

At the same time though, I got some nice Cowboys history reading lately, and while listening to Brad Sham and others talk about some of the good ol' days/players, it's always fun to hear other opinions.

So, with my longwinded introduction complete, I've got some questions for the Cowboys old-timers. Answers are much appreciated.

1) Jethro Pugh. I hear a lot about him, but he's not even on profootballreference.com. Can anyone tell me why he's so popular amongst some oldtimers and give me some frame of reference on the guy?

2) How crazy, for the fans, was the season where Morton/Staubach were splitting snaps....in the same games. I can't imagine this happening, and am curious as to what the fan reaction to it was? It seems so insane. Furthermore, was there a large contingent of fans rooting for Morton over Staubach?

3) Who the hell was Walt Garrison, and why is he seemingly irrelevant to all Cowboys lore, and yet he does car commercials now? I have zero frame of reference on the guy.

4) Bob Lilly. Is he as great as people say? Or is his status partially due to simply being the face of the early franchise?

I'll leave it there now. Thanks

:laugh2: .... i'm NOT an oLd-TiMeR!.... '76 to present.... :laugh1: though I recall Rog, i guess Danny was the QB of my youth....

 

[sonnyboy]

This I didn't know. But I heard Drew Pearson telling Brad on his pre-PO game show that his signing bonus was $150, and he wanted it in CASH. So whoever it was (Tex or Gil Brandt) took out his wallet and handed him $150.

Drew also told his wife he "got $100 bonus". Drew was a smart cookie..

The funniest part of that interview was when Drew felt he had to clarify for the listeners how much his signing bonus was.
That's 150, ONE FIVE O. NOT ONE FIVE, OOOOO! Had me LOL!

Garrison is before my time, I like him because of his humor. Seen it in interviews. One of his teammates told this story:
Thier playing the Bears and after a run up the middle, Butkus barks out to Garrison: "You run that play over here again, and I'll bite your head off!" Garrsion screams back "well if you do you'll have more brains in your stomach than your head".

Now that's funny!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The funniest part of that interview was when Drew felt he had to clarify for the listeners how much his signing bonus was.
That's 150, ONE FIVE O. NOT ONE FIVE, OOOOO! Had me LOL!

Garrison is before my time, I like him because of his humor. Seen it in interviews. One of his teammates told this story:
Thier playing the Bears and after a run up the middle, Butkus barks out to Garrison: "You run that play over here again, and I'll bite your head off!" Garrsion screams back "well if you do you'll have more brains in your stomach than your head".

Now that's funny!

You have to get his book...that story is in there.

I honestly can not recall a book that made me laugh so much.

Even when I took the wife to a DR apt...I was sitting in the waiting room and was reading it and starting rolling. People just looking at me but I could not help it.

There was one line/story he told about Dandy Don.

He was talking about how smart Landry was not only for his defense but his offense. And how they needed smart players to make it work because it was so difficult.

So they are talking about a play in the play book and Dandy Don looks at it and says you could take it to a chinese laundry and they would give you two shirts and a pair of pants or something along those lines.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

That was all Tex Schramm. Traditionally teams wore their dark jerseys at home. Tex felt the fans would tire of seeing Cowboys in blue and the opponents in white every game so he elected to have the Cowboys wear white at home so fans could see the other colors in the NFL...

Yea, I'm aware of that tidbit.

That Tex, he was so forward-thinking, fashion-wise. I heard he was the one that told Stanley Marcus to get out of that bagel business and start pushing women's dresses.

 

[jwhardin]

Morton was a classic passer, but neverhad what it took to go all the way.Roger was a winner. Pugh was blue collar. hard player, played in the shadow of Lily, as did larry Cole. Garrison was a real bull riding cowboy who was just plain tough. Meredith said one time, "If you need 4 or 5 yards give the ball to Garrison, if you need 14 or 15 yards give the ball to Garrison and he'll get you 4 or 5 yards." Garrison's signing bonus was a 2 horse trailer. Lily, he played beyond description. They had the Lily test at TCU, he would take a small car, lifting one end at a time and place it on the curb. He was just naturally strong. Tackle the QB, RB and blocker, then throw them out until he got to the one with the ball.

 

[Deputy493]

Sorry, but superstitions, curses and the like are for girls, and the weak-minded, which catagory do you fit in?

How old are you? Meaning do you even recall the time period I am speaking of? They played worse with their blue jerseys in the Landry era.

As far as superstitions as a whole go I used to agree, until I worked patrol on midnight shift in Dallas.............if you think there is nothing to the "Full Moon" superstition.....ask any cop, ER worker or firman.......or do a ride along on a full moon night and you may reconsider your closed minded statements.

 

[Doomsday101]

Thanksgiving, 06 vs Tampa @ Texas Stadium...

:umm:

That is not the solid dark blue jersey that people refer to as cursed. Myself I don't think jerseys have anything to do with winning or losing but Dallas just does not wear their dark blue (solid) at home. You will notice most teams do wear their dark jerseys at home

 

[DallasCowpoke]

How old are you? Meaning do you even recall the time period I am speaking of? They played worse with their blue jerseys in the Landry era.

I was born in 60 at Baylor on Gaston, other than the service, lived in Big D and the metroplex ever since, does that qualify me ok?

As far as superstitions as a whole go I used to agree, until I worked patrol on midnight shift in Dallas.............if you think there is nothing to the "Full Moon" superstition.....ask any cop, ER worker or firman.......or do a ride along on a full moon night and you may reconsider your closed minded statements.

BTW, no need to answer my previous question, the above just did.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Let's not forget Chuck Howley either.

Only player on the losing team to be named Super Bowl MVP.

Another tough son of a gun.

Plus for you old-timers, read Hollywood Henderson's book 'Out of Control'.

 

[Hostile]

First things first. In kindergarten, they teach the basics: shapes and colors. The equivalent in beginning a Cowboys education is Bob Lilly.

Bob Lilly DT 1961-1974
"I would never accept getting beat one-on-one."

11 Pro Bowls
7 All Pro 64 65 66 67 68 69 71
All 60's Team
1 ring
Hall of Fame 1980 (1st Ballot)
Ring of Honor 1975
Lilly is called Mr. Cowboy, because he was the teams' first draft choice, its first Pro Bowl selection, its first member of the Ring of Honor and its first member of the Hall of Fame. Tom Landry said that in his lifetime, there wasn't a player as good as Lilly.

Lilly played in 196 straight games from 1961-74.

Packers guard Gale Gillingham, whom Lilly called the toughest lineman he ever had to face, said this about #74: "He was the best I ever played against. He was great in the pass rush because he had such long arms and used his hands so well. And, on the run, he'd butt you then pull. He wasn't that big, so you didn't have much to hit. He was so quick you couldn't just tee off. You had to leave the line under control, maybe give up a couple of yards then take him on.

"I had the toughest time ever during the Ice Bowl against him. They changed their shoes for the second half because of the ice, and I didn't touch him the entire half. If it hadn't been for our center, it would have been all over."




Now soak that in.

Great stuff on Lilly. I remember Roger Staubach telling a story about him. One day in a film session he looked over at Lilly and he was practicing touching his eyeball. He could touch it without blinking. Roger asked him what that was about and he said if a blocker was going for his eyes it wouldn't cause him to blink and take his eyes off the ball.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I see DallasCowpoke is back in town...

 

[percyhoward]

Great stuff on Lilly. I remember Roger Staubach telling a story about him. One day in a film session he looked over at Lilly and he was practicing touching his eyeball. He could touch it without blinking. Roger asked him what that was about and he said if a blocker was going for his eyes it wouldn't cause him to blink and take his eyes off the ball.

 

[percyhoward]

Garrison's signing bonus was a new horse trailer....

Man, I just flashed back to when I was 9 and read that on the back of his football card.

 

[jwhardin]

I remember when the boys beat Denver and it's orange crush def, and towards the end of the game they showed Harvey Martin on the sideline with an orange crush soda can, he crushed in his hand saying "orange crush"

 

[zeromaster]

Pugh was a very solid DT...doesn't get the credit he deserved...there was another DT that was very good but had a very short Career with the cowboys by the name of Betha...

Larry Bethea, drafted in '78

Sadly, another who is no longer with us (self-inflicted ending).

 

[percyhoward]

Roger asked him what that was about and he said if a blocker was going for his eyes it wouldn't cause him to blink and take his eyes off the ball.

Look at those two photos, and you can see the proof. Lilly's not worried about getting blocked. He's watching the ball.