Quincy Carter

[SALADIN]

I have family there! Wherabouts? Poughkepsie? North?

Why is Carter still starting in the NFL today? all drug accusations? No 4 game suspensions? Your argument will be won by NFLPA against Cowboys - they *** Up............

Dallas never had any players in the past in early programs? We had a few who were flat out were suspended too! Irvin?

Information about players in the early program is kept confidental. How do you know that Dallas never had any players in the early programs?

...and what are the numbers for super lotto this weekend?

 

[Nors]

Information about players in the early program is kept confidental. How do you know that Dallas never had any players in the early programs?

...and what are the numbers for super lotto this weekend?

That was SARCASM,

With Tuinui, Irvin, Newton, Step AND CO I doubt that Carter was the "first" alleged offender" in Dallas history..........

 

[cowboyeric8]

Solves this argument....

Carter was a no good, drug using, "potentially" good QB

And don't y'all think Troy needs to have a son? He doesn't does he?


cowboyeric8

 

[Nors]

Dallas never said it was drugs... merely speculation on our part...

Irvin was never in a program for drug abuse... he just supplied goods to his biotches...

Thursday, July 25, 1996

NFL drug policy requires Michael Irvin to take frequent drug tests
By Ed Werder
The Dallas Morning News
(July 25, 1996)

AUSTIN (KRT) - The NFL substance-abuse policy that Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones has profusely claimed to support has suspended wide receiver Michael Irvin for five weeks without pay.If Irvin forces another suspension from Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, it would be considerably longer.

If Irvin fails an NFL test or refuses to cooperate with administrators of the program, he could be suspended for one year. But that should be the least of his concerns since he also would confront a 20-year prison sentence for violating terms of his probation.

The Cowboys and Irvin have denied the receiver has a drug problem. If he does, the increased drug-testing procedures Irvin must follow should detect it.

As a participant in the league's program, he must submit to as many as 10 random drug tests per month for the next two years. That is a two-year total of 240, compared to the two advance-notice tests other NFL players must pass during the same period.

The league had probable cause to enroll Irvin in the first phase of the drug program when Irving police found him in a hotel room with drug paraphernalia. He already has submitted to the mandatory evaluation and testing phase.

In his letter to Irvin, Tagliabue advised the wide receiver to take advantage of the support system the league's confidential program offers under the direction of Dr. Lem Burnham.

"I encourage you to take full advantage of any and all of these resources in an effort to address the problems underlying your conduct of March 4, 1996," Tagliabue wrote.

(c) 1996, Dallas Morning News. Distributed by Knight-Ridder/Tribune Information Services.


Irvin was flat out suspended on drug issues.

 

[Midswat]

Carter was/is an overrated, no talent bum.

He wasn't a leader . . . he wasn't mature . . . he doesn't have the head for the game . . . and oh yeah, he's a drug user.

I went from being a huge QC backer to a huge QC hater . . .

The best part of this season still, imo, was the release of Quinthy Carter from this proud franchise.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Not that it matters now, but perhaps we should push aside all the conflicting emotions and see Carter for what he is: A pretty solid backup QB. He didn't light it up with the Jets, but he still went 2-1 with a 98.3 QB rating. He's nowhere near as bad as some here claim but at the same time, I don't see him as a guy to lead a team all the way. But there's no shame in building a career as a backup. Who knows, he may even grow into a #1 one day, a la Steve Deberg, Rich Gannon and Steve Beuerlein, guys who were all backups for significant stretches but eventually found their way into the starting lineup and played well.

I guess I can't understand the strong passions this guy stirs up in people. I can understand the debates raging about Parcells, Roy Williams and Greg Ellis, but for me, Carter belongs with the Lockharts, Jesse Solomons, George Teagues and Kavika Pittmans- guys who didn't exactly light it up here or were stop-gaps on the way to greater things. I, for one, would be happy to see Carter do well.

I'm considered to be Carter's biggest critic and I never said he wasn't a solid backup. In fact, I didn't approve of Carter being cut by the team. It just hurt the depth at QB on this team. Sure, I would have preferred Vinny start over Carter, but I would have liked Carter to be the backup until Henson develops. You need at least two QB's who are capable of starting on your roster at any given time. With Carter gone, we only have one QB who is capable of starting in Vinny. Henson is too raw at this time.

 

[Nors]

I'm considered to be Carter's biggest critic and I never said he wasn't a solid backup. In fact, I didn't approve of Carter being cut by the team. It just hurt the depth at QB on this team. Sure, I would have preferred Vinny start over Carter, but I would have liked Carter to be the backup until Henson develops. You need at least two QB's who are capable of starting on your roster at any given time. With Carter gone, we only have one QB who is capable of starting in Vinny. Henson is too raw at this time.

post of the day

 

[trickblue]

Thursday, July 25, 1996

NFL drug policy requires Michael Irvin to take frequent drug tests
By Ed Werder
The Dallas Morning News
(July 25, 1996)

AUSTIN (KRT) - The NFL substance-abuse policy that Cowboys' owner Jerry Jones has profusely claimed to support has suspended wide receiver Michael Irvin for five weeks without pay.If Irvin forces another suspension from Commissioner Paul Tagliabue, it would be considerably longer.

If Irvin fails an NFL test or refuses to cooperate with administrators of the program, he could be suspended for one year. But that should be the least of his concerns since he also would confront a 20-year prison sentence for violating terms of his probation.

The Cowboys and Irvin have denied the receiver has a drug problem. If he does, the increased drug-testing procedures Irvin must follow should detect it.

As a participant in the league's program, he must submit to as many as 10 random drug tests per month for the next two years. That is a two-year total of 240, compared to the two advance-notice tests other NFL players must pass during the same period.

The league had probable cause to enroll Irvin in the first phase of the drug program when Irving police found him in a hotel room with drug paraphernalia. He already has submitted to the mandatory evaluation and testing phase.

In his letter to Irvin, Tagliabue advised the wide receiver to take advantage of the support system the league's confidential program offers under the direction of Dr. Lem Burnham.

"I encourage you to take full advantage of any and all of these resources in an effort to address the problems underlying your conduct of March 4, 1996," Tagliabue wrote.

(c) 1996, Dallas Morning News. Distributed by Knight-Ridder/Tribune Information Services.


Irvin was flat out suspended on drug issues.

Still never saw where Irvin was suspended for a substance abuse...

 

[SALADIN]

Then what was it exactly?

I don't know, maybe it was racist like this one. You know, the ones who called him stupid, ********, among other things that couldn't be mentioned but were obviously referred to.

Carter was/is an overrated, no talent bum.

He wasn't a leader . . . he wasn't mature . . . he doesn't have the head for the game . . . and oh yeah, he's a drug user.

I went from being a huge QC backer to a huge QC hater . . .

The best part of this season still, imo, was the release of Quinthy Carter from this proud franchise.__________________

 

[Midswat]

I don't know, maybe it was racist like this one. You know, the ones who called him stupid, ********, among other things that couldn't be mentioned but were obviously referred to.

Carter was/is an overrated, no talent bum.

He wasn't a leader . . . he wasn't mature . . . he doesn't have the head for the game . . . and oh yeah, he's a drug user.

I went from being a huge QC backer to a huge QC hater . . .

The best part of this season still, imo, was the release of Quinthy Carter from this proud franchise.__________________

I'm sorry . . . but were you saying I am a racist?

Or did I misinterpret?

 

[StateCollegeCowboy]

My problem with Quincy was his accuracy. He would throw a nice pass one play then follow it up with a pass into the dirt. That drove me crazy...

I think Quincy is a decent QB, but i'm not upset that he is gone. I've never seen so much drama surrounding a cowboy QB than what he stirrs up.

 

[Signals]

I think QC is a great QB... as long as he's not playing for the Cowboys.

 

[joseephuss]

Of course Quincy was the first to arrive at Valley Ranch and the last to leave. That gave him the time alone he needed to hit the bong.

I have always been a QC fan. I hoped he would step up his game and become a good QB for the Cowboys and if not, I thought he would be at least a good back up. I could feel confident that the season wouldn't fall apart if he was coming off the bench. Well he is not here, so it doesn't matter.

The only part that I do not like is that we got stuck with Vinny as the starter. He is not an upgrade as a starter. He is just an average QB. He too is a decent backup that won't blow the season if he had to come in for a few games, but he has had to be the guy and we all see that hasn't gone well for him.(i realize defense is the main problem for this team, but this dicussion was about QBs).

 

[OLDSCHOOL]

True Quincy is a solid backup, because he is a true starter. any starter that is in a backup role will be solid. He'll get his chance next season to lead a team and he will have a solid season, but until he is able to get into a system that he has more than one season in we will never see that superstar talent that he has. Once that happens for him people will be pissed off a Jerry. The kid can play, this season has just been another learning season for him, he had some excellent teaching before he left and he is receiving even more excellent teaching and mentoring, that will help him when he leaves the Jets after this season.

I'm willing to bet anyone that in 2005, Carter will have whatever team he will be leading headed straight to the Superbowl. He would have us headed there this season if not for Jerry's coslet like hard on for henson.

Carter will be alright, he'll be alright and doing well before we finally get our QB situation settled. that has already happened, what am I talking about. He's in a better situation, (spot) and we are still struggling to find a QB.

 

[Rack]

I'm willing to bet anyone that in 2005, Carter will have whatever team he will be leading headed straight to the Superbowl.

Hey, I supported Carter. Thought he COULD be a solid/good QB if given some decent weapons and time in the same system, but...


*** ARE YOU SMOKING?!?! SUPERBOWL?! I mean, it's possible, but he'd have to be playing for the Ravens or some other great defensive team (truly great defense, not like our 2003 defense that needed to be babied). And he'd need a great RB, good OL, and some good WRs.

 

[DipChit]

True Quincy is a solid backup, because he is a true starter. any starter that is in a backup role will be solid. He'll get his chance next season to lead a team and he will have a solid season, but until he is able to get into a system that he has more than one season in we will never see that superstar talent that he has. Once that happens for him people will be pissed off a Jerry. The kid can play, this season has just been another learning season for him, he had some excellent teaching before he left and he is receiving even more excellent teaching and mentoring, that will help him when he leaves the Jets after this season.

I'm willing to bet anyone that in 2005, Carter will have whatever team he will be leading headed straight to the Superbowl. He would have us headed there this season if not for Jerry's coslet like hard on for henson.

Well wait a minute. Isnt there some contradiction in that? Because if he goes and starts somewhere else, he'll once again be in a diff system. Unless you're saying that by now a diff system wouldnt deter him as much.

In any event, I'd certainly take that bet for any amount you'd like to name. Not just as a reflection on Carter but overall odds in general.

Oh, but you'll have to define "headed straight to the SB".

When we were 5-1 last year we were "headed" there, but got decidedly sidetracked.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

True Quincy is a solid backup, because he is a true starter. any starter that is in a backup role will be solid. He'll get his chance next season to lead a team and he will have a solid season, but until he is able to get into a system that he has more than one season in we will never see that superstar talent that he has. Once that happens for him people will be pissed off a Jerry. The kid can play, this season has just been another learning season for him, he had some excellent teaching before he left and he is receiving even more excellent teaching and mentoring, that will help him when he leaves the Jets after this season.

I'm willing to bet anyone that in 2005, Carter will have whatever team he will be leading headed straight to the Superbowl. He would have us headed there this season if not for Jerry's coslet like hard on for henson.

Carter will be alright, he'll be alright and doing well before we finally get our QB situation settled. that has already happened, what am I talking about. He's in a better situation, (spot) and we are still struggling to find a QB.

Oh man, there are so many problems with this post that I actually want to give you props for stating your opinion at a time when most Quincy supporters won't come out and say what you did. Props for stating your mind. I disagree with your opinion but I admire those who are not afraid to speak from their gut and heart. Props

 

[franchise]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he will take his new team to the super bowl next year. Now would it be kinda ironic that whatever team he ends up with gets to the super bowl before we do? Yeah it would be but I think they call that parity in the NFL.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Well. Pennington's back tomorrow and it is debatable how much, if at all , Q helped himself with his three game starts for NY (2-1) - free agency wise.

My feeling is that long TD, in stride, to Santana Moss last week was the most important pass Carter has thrown to date, as far as his personal career is concerned.. It didn't completely offset the lack of Jets scoring with Q at the helm (and Hackett will take his usually share of blame for that), but once again, Q pulled off a big tease...w/o that pass Carter had lost ground as "2005 starter material". With it he pulled even, and those like myself who remain intrigued with him can juggle it like one more nugget of fool's gold.

 

[jem88]

LTN: I'm interested in hearing where he fell short during the 3 games. I've only really seen his stats and parts of games. Apart from the clock mismanagement at the end of his first start, he looked fairly solid and his stats would also seem to suggest this. But I know stats can be misleading, so in which aspects of the game, in your opinion, did he come up short (I know the lack of scoring is a big factor, but what about his play contributed to this lack of scoring?)