Twitter: Quinn: Competition is up for Kelvin Joseph spot

[Pass2Run]

Competition should always be up for every position, including QB and GM.

 

[Pass2Run]

KJ has as good a shot as anyone.

Yep, he needs a little confidence. He's not necessarily a bad player. More like he's very inexperienced. He only played 22 games in college.. and a handful of NFL games. So, live action is always different. He seems to be paying attention to coaches this year. I like the guy, like I can understand his background and see how he's got some anxiety. So I like the player. But I honestly think he's more of a slot corner, though, maybe even safety. You can protect him better that way with your safeties when he's in the slot, or make him a safety. Whereas Doran Bland has a little more instinct as far as reading the run, and various pass routes playing on the outside. He may get beat, like they all do. But he's the kind of guy also has the potential to make game-winning plays. I don't see that in Joseph, as much as I'd like to.

I saw Nashon Wright out there, though, and he wasn't terrible. The thing about it is everyone is spoiled by Diggs, and Brown was probably the most underrated player on the team this year... Sad he's out. That was a really big hit to a solid piece in the defense. Anthony Brown was a big factor in why we had the number 1 defense earlier in the season. He's far better than anyone on the roster behind him, and I think Dallas should fight to keep him for next year. He'll recover from that ACL injury, but this year it's all about competition. I can see Bland playing outside, inside and safety.

Same for Kelvin Joseph. Dan Quinn should be open-minded and consider using guys like Kelvin Joseph at Free safety.. People say he's undersized. But I've seen him bring the wood. I just think KJ isn't your ideal outside CB, because he's too small and not instinctive enough, yet. He needs to dedicate himself to being a student of the game this offseason, because his career is depending on taking that leap.

I would play Joseph at back-up safety or starting or back up in the slot. I like the way the guy wants to play and be a good player. He just needs to keep fighting to be that player, and the coaches need to put him in a position that suits his strength, and I don't think that is outside CB right now.

 

[Pass2Run]

I think Wright is one of Quinn’s misses. I was skeptical when we reached to draft him, but gave Quinn the benefit of the doubt, but he’s never shown me that he can play.

Happens.

To everyone.

 

[JJ1986]

I told you all that he needed to be cut when he was making bonehead decisions on special teams.

He would have been benched after the first TD. They pulled him too late when Jax had all of the momentum.

 

[IslandCowboy]

Lol, the starting secondary was a very good one. You don't know who is on the team? They signed 3 veteran corners in the last 3 weeks or so. Wilson, Hooker, Kearse, Diggs, and Bland are good players. The Cowboys scouts are excellent.

I am more so talking about CBs Wilson, Hooker, and Kearse are at safety so not relevant unless one of them magically learns CB. Bland has shown flashes but isn't there yet because he's a rookie. So now we are left with Diggs who is fantastic and all the other CBs I actually like Brown more than most, but now without him who do we have to fill that 2/3rd CB slot who are reliable?

Also, I don't have to prove my point because it was proven over the last number of games without Anthony Brown.

 

[IslandCowboy]

Yep, that's why Stephen just set back and let him select Johnny Manziel...oh wait!

Just because he can be convinced doesn't mean he isn't the one making the decision...

 

[Runwildboys]

This cracks me up....kid gives up a TD...IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!

Anthony Brown has been torched for 4 freaking years....and he gets a pass.

Starting to think Anthony Brown has100 burner accounts here.

Two TDs, on 3 targets.

 

[Runwildboys]

Okay...why you are annoyed by a backwards cap?

It confuses him. He doesn't know whether DQ's facing him or looking the other way.

 

[Pass2Run]

@xwalker Are you ready to apologize and admit you were wrong? I told you Kelvin Joseph sucks!

He doesn't suck. They just aren't realizing that he's more of a slot CB than an outside corner. He's probably better at safety. He makes a great gunner for now, which we need right now. CJ Goodwin has been showing up too. But KJ has been pretty solid. He just needs another year, so there's really no need to apologize. It's on the Cowboys for not being so prepared...
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That's why some of us were hoping and rooting for Kelvin Joseph, because that tends to work better for fans than throwing trash at the guy, even if it's over digital media. I know, I know. Say what you want. The guy can't do anything right because the coaches put too much on his shoulders when they should know, even if they drafted him in the 2nd round, that he's an inexperienced player and wasn't quite ready for a starter role...that much was kind of obvious earlier in the season. I tend to think the guy could be better with more positivity around him.

No cap here. The way I see it is KJ's problems are all mental. If I were the staff, I'd find him a psych Dr. and see if they can give him anything for focus, which I think he has ADD, rather than ADHD, and also PTSD, and anxiety and/or CTE, or maybe none or some of the combination above. But I would look into this with an expert in this area. Worth a try.

We've had players like him before who turned out to be good. Like David Irving, shame how his career ended, but I admire his style, actually. You have to steer these guys in the right direction, and all options should be on the table. I know some will think this is funny, but it's the things going on in his head are impacting his ability to focus on playing out there. I can see it. His flaws are mental, which can change with the right approach. Whereas, you can't teach that kind of athleticism.

KJ had some really good plays out there, too, that will go unnoticed because of his goofs on the other ones, which I admit. I would have benched him after the first one. The biggest mistake, in my mind, was leaving him in there to have his confidence shattered twice in a row. You set him up for failure.

And demonstrated how you failed to prepare on the defensive side of the ball with personnel adjustments. If you were prepared, you never implemented them, so it doesn't matter.

Shame on DQ, on this, really.

 

[baltcowboy]

It’s funny how some of the draft nicks Voch and Cavanaugh really were high on Joseph. Voch said his tape was better then Surtain.

 

[Verdict]

This cracks me up....kid gives up a TD...IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!!!

Anthony Brown has been torched for 4 freaking years....and he gets a pass.

Starting to think Anthony Brown has100 burner accounts here.

Anthony Brown is not a world beater. He came cheap and he was serviceable. You can win game with Anthony Brown level talent.

It appears that there is a steep drop off between Lewis/Brown and Joseph. Playing Joseph cuts your odds of winning down dramatically. It’s really that simple.

 

[Pass2Run]

Anthony Brown is not a world beater. He came cheap and he was serviceable. You can win game with Anthony Brown level talent.

It appears that there is a steep drop off between Lewis/Brown and Joseph. Playing Joseph cuts your odds of winning down dramatically. It’s really that simple.

Huge gap in talent.

Brown is so underrated it isn't funny.

Still, I have high hopes for Joseph in another year or two. He'll take Trysten Hill's spot, or Taco's spot for most hated player until then. If he ever improves. I think he's salvageable at slot CB or safety in Quinn's scheme, though. There's a position for him; it just isn't CB2.

The best draft guys in the business are all wrong, dead wrong, even big-time, dead-wrong, sometimes. It's not a perfect science.

I don't know for a fact, but I can almost promise Kelvin wasn't the first on McClay's list for that round. Smells more of a Jerral move, to me. I could be wrong. But I doubt it. Not his profile of a player, as much as I'd like to see Joseph succeed. There were good reasons to draft him. His tape did look good. About as good as Diggs'. Just Diggs improved more when he got to the NFL, whereas a guy like Joseph honestly hasn't taken much of a leap, if any. But it's about experience. You don't start him in a key game like this past Sunday, imo. Bland was a better option, simply based on instincts.

With Diggs, I've said since his rookie year that that's the kind of player you win championships with. I stand by that. Diggs has some privilege, though. Went to prep school, has success in his family recently.

Kelvin, not so much: came up entirely differently.

Anyway, I'd try Kelvin in the slot, move him as a back up there. Or find a role for him at safety in passing situations. It's a no-brainer. He's not ready to be CB2. I don't have to throw shade at him or anyone else to admit that. Also, with a guy like him, taking experience into account, you always give him safety help, specifically for the double move. So Manster's point is a valid one if you're looking to point blame at someone.

 

[Pass2Run]

He played well most of the game. It’s not like we haven’t seen Brown and Diggs both beaten on double moves. I think Quinn is looking for a scapegoat when he needs to look in the mirror.

Lookie here, how many likes this objective post received...

Gives me hope.

The biggest crime was not pulling him so he could go from getting his confidence shattered to crushed.

Coaching 101 if you ask me, especially in the NFL.

 

[Hardline]

There should be open competition for everyone position, not just KJs

 

[Pass2Run]

There should be open competition for everyone position, not just KJs

Soy de acuerdo...

 

[JJ1986]

He doesn't suck. They just aren't realizing that he's more of a slot CB than an outside corner. He's probably better at safety. He makes a great gunner for now, which we need right now. CJ Goodwin has been showing up too. But KJ has been pretty solid. He needs another year, so there's no need to apologize. It's on the Cowboys for not being so prepared...
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That's why some of us were hoping and rooting for Kelvin Joseph, because that tends to work better for fans than throwing trash at the guy, even if it's over digital media. I know, I know. Say what you want. The guy can't do anything right because the coaches put too much on his shoulders when they should know, even if they drafted him in the 2nd round, that he's an inexperienced player and wasn't quite ready for a starter role...that much was kind of obvious earlier in the season. I tend to think the guy could be better with more positivity around him.

No cap here. The way I see it is KJ's problems are all mental. If I were the staff, I'd find him a psych Dr. and see if they can give him anything for focus, which I think he has ADD, rather than ADHD, and also PTSD, and anxiety and/or CTE, or maybe none or some of the combination above. But I would look into this with an expert in this area. Worth a try.

We've had players like him before who turned out to be good. Like David Irving, shame how his career ended, but I admire his style, actually. You have to steer these guys in the right direction, and all options should be on the table. I know some will think this is funny, but it's the things going on in his head are impacting his ability to focus on playing out there. I can see it. His flaws are mental, which can change with the right approach. Whereas, you can't teach that kind of athleticism.

KJ had some really good plays out there, too, that will go unnoticed because of his goofs on the other ones, which I admit. I would have benched him after the first one. The biggest mistake, in my mind, was leaving him in there to have his confidence shattered twice in a row. You set him up for failure.

And demonstrated how you failed to prepare on the defensive side of the ball with personnel adjustments. If you were prepared, you never implemented them, so it doesn't matter.

Shame on DQ, on this, really.

I agree with your analysis. Imagine the owner of the team telling you that “it’s time for you to become a man”.

The poor guy was under tremendous pressure and probably did not sleep well

I think like you said DQ needs to put him in a position of success. I would have still benched him after the first TD to send a message to the team. You cannot bite on that move by the WR with a 17-point lead.

 

[DuncanIso]

DQ not happy with KJ.

that TD was a killer.

KJ jumped a WR move in Cover 3 (1?) when there was a single S, who had a bad angle.

can’t trust KJ.

 

[Coogiguy03]

WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE HIS TRUE COLORS he's about to go wild, end up in the news, guys like this don't take demotion well!! Can see him being cut

 

[DuncanIso]

WE'RE ABOUT TO SEE HIS TRUE COLORS he's about to go wild, end up in the news, guys like this don't take demotion well!! Can see him being cut

yup.

DQ has a lot of pull.

if he doesn’t want you, you will be gone.

 

[Pass2Run]

I agree with your analysis. Imagine the owner of the team telling you that “it’s time for you to become a man”.

The poor guy was under tremendous pressure and probably did not sleep well

I think like you said DQ needs to put him in a position of success. I would have still benched him after the first TD to send a message to the team. You cannot bite on that move by the WR with a 17-point lead.

Exactly.