"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells
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wayne_motley;1179795 said:
Yes, smarta5150 is correct. We are going to redefine it.
So far we have, when any number between 1 and 11 defensive players rush the QB, who has less blockers than the defense's rushers, who are rushing with cold blooded hatred, while throwing peanuts at the QB, this is called a blitz.
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The information below is, without a doubt, the definitive dissertation of the word "blitz". This should end the thread. GOOD NIGHT NOW. Wikipedia said so therefore it must be gospel 
In American football a blitz, or quarterback rush, is a team defensive maneuver against an opponent's passing play in which the defense sends more players than the offense can block. Usually, blitzes are one or more linebackers or defensive backs, who normally remain behind the line of scrimmage during a play, but are instead sent across the line to the opponent’s side in order to try to tackle the quarterback or disrupt his pass drop. The name of the play is taken from the Blitzkrieg, a German strategy of the "Lightning War" during World War II.
History
Don Ettinger, a defensive tackle for the New York Giants, invented the blitz during his brief NFL career (1948 – 1950). Larry Wilson, free safety for the St. Louis Cardinals from 1960 to 1972, pioneered and perfected the safety blitz, a play originally code-named "Wildcat." Defensive coordinator Chuck Drulis is widely credited with inventing the safety blitz.
How blitzing works
On passing plays, the offense always has at least 5 men blocking. From left to right, they are: left tackle, left guard, center, right guard, right tackle. Depending on the personnel, formation, and blocking principles the offense uses, they can have a maximum of 9 players blocking on any given pass play (this type of maximum protection is succinctly called "Max Protect"). Since the QB is throwing the pass, he cannot block and must have at least one receiver to catch the pass. Assuming the lone WR is covered by a defensive back, this leaves the defense 10 players to rush the QB versus the offense's 9 blockers--the offense is outnumbered and at a disadvantage. Because the QB cannot block during passing plays, the defense always has one more man available to rush than the offense can block.
Usually offenses do not max protect often, varying the levels of protection available depending on the play design and the QB's pre-snap read of the defense. The more receivers the offense has running passing routes, the better their chances are of completing the pass. This factor allows defenses to devise and execute a staggering variety of blitz packages between any number of their coverage personnel, trading tight coverage of receivers for proactive aggressive disruption of the play.
By nature, blitzes are risky endeavors for the defense. Since the defense is taking away coverage defenders to rush the QB, there necessarily are holes in pass coverage. The defense does not and cannot cover all offensive players, but rather through the blitz, is proactively involved in rattling the QB, sacking the QB, disrupting QB timing, or forcing him to make an error such as an interception or fumble.
The most common blitzes are linebacker blitzes. Safety blitzes, when a safety (usually the strong safety) is sent, and corner blitzes, where a cornerback is sent, are less common. Sending a defensive back on a blitz is even more risky than a linebacker blitz, as it removes a primary pass defender from the coverage scheme, but is also less likely to be picked up by the offensive team’s blockers.
There is some confusion among average fans as to what constitutes a blitz. Blitz is colloquially used to describe any time a LB or DB crosses the line of scrimmage when in actuality, a blitz is defined as the defense rushing the QB with more men than the offense has accounted for and can block. For example, if the defense rushes 5 men, that does not constitute a blitz (as a minimum of 5 blockers are on the offensive line).
Defensive shells and techniques
Blitzes are usually ran from "Cover 1" coverage shells which assign one man to guard the entire deep field, though blitzes can be employed in nearly any coverage scheme. Cover 1 is most effective because it allows a larger number of defensive players to tighten down on the line of scrimmage thus increasing the variety of blitzes possible.
Since the main goal is to disrupt the offensive play before it even develops, many blitz packages encourage cornerbacks to play tight man bump and run coverage to disrupt the wide receivers release and prevent them from running their pre-assigned routes. The non-blitzing safety, usually the free safety, has an enormous amount of field to protect and is at a serious disadvantage if the blitz is unsuccessful and receivers threaten his coverage area. As such, he usually works for depth upon the snap of the ball, backpedaling into his assigned zone.
Linebackers are either blitzing or in pass coverage. Blitzing LBs can employ various stunts to confuse the offense's blockers and break down their protection scheme. Coverage LBs in a Cover 1 scheme will usually have man responsibility on a halfback, fullback, or tight end.
Some defensive schemes employ "key" blitzes where a player will blitz only if his assigned man stays in to block thus keying his action off the action of his man. If his man releases into a pass pattern, then the defensive player will cover him. For example, if weak side linebacker has the fullback as his man, if upon the snap of the ball the fullback blocks, the linebacker will blitz.
Advantages and disadvantages
Advantages gained by blitzing are obvious: proactively disrupt the offense's play before it develops and cause enough pressure on the quarterback to force him into a turnover.
Disadvantages abound in any blitz scheme as well. First, the offensive linemen are usually trained to recognize a blitzing player before the snap of the ball. They communicate with each other at the line of scrimmage using code words that shift the protection to the blitzing player's side thus strengthening their blocking front. The QB can also call other players into the protection scheme with audibles if he feels that his current protection is weak. With good protection calls and fundamental blocking principles, some blitzes can be "picked up"--stopped at the point of attack.
Second, the tight man bump and run technique typical of blitz scheme cornerbacks can be defeated with aggressive WR release moves. Once this happens the CB is at a disadvantage and must regain ground and position quickly to prevent a catch. If the blitz is picked up, the WR can create enough separation to become open relatively quickly.
Third, if the blitz is picked up, the one deep defender (usually the free safety) has an enormous amount of territory to guard. If two players simultaneously threaten his zone, he must decide which one to cover. The QB can read his reaction and throw to the defender that he does not decide to cover, usually for a big gain.
Fourth, if the pass is caught, there are fewer defenders and larger gaps between defenders, meaning that the receiver can get more yards after catch and possibly turn a minimal gain into a dangerous play.
How to beat the blitz
Offenses employ the above procedures to beat the blitz as well as two other techniques and passing route combinations designed to exploit weaknesses in a blitzing scheme.
One of those techniques is called "throwing hot," which entails intentionally leaving one blitzing defensive player unblocked. The offensive line usually makes pre-snap adjustments so that the "free" rusher is clearly within the QB's field of vision. This limits devastating blind-side hits on the QB by rushers.
The other technique, sometimes used in conjunction with throwing hot, is called sight adjustment. Receivers are taught to run into the empty spot vacated by a blitzing player instead of running their pre-assigned pattern. The QB sees the free rusher or blitzing LB/CB and knows that the receiver will sight adjust accordingly and run a route that takes him into the hole left by the defender.
The West Coast Offense is an offense that focuses on ball control and short passes. This is a well timed offense where the quarterback throws the ball quickly to avoid the rush, but still allow the reciever to get behind the blitzing players.
In American football a blitz, or quarterback rush, is a team defensive maneuver against an opponent's passing play in which the defense sends more players than the offense can block. Usually, blitzes are one or more linebackers or defensive backs, who normally remain behind the line of scrimmage during a play, but are instead sent across the line to the opponent’s side in order to try to tackle the quarterback or disrupt his pass drop. The name of the play is taken from the Blitzkrieg, a German strategy of the "Lightning War" during World War II.
History
Don Ettinger, a defensive tackle for the New York Giants, invented the blitz during his brief NFL career (1948 – 1950). Larry Wilson, free safety for the St. Louis Cardinals from 1960 to 1972, pioneered and perfected the safety blitz, a play originally code-named "Wildcat." Defensive coordinator Chuck Drulis is widely credited with inventing the safety blitz.
How blitzing works
On passing plays, the offense always has at least 5 men blocking. From left to right, they are: left tackle, left guard, center, right guard, right tackle. Depending on the personnel, formation, and blocking principles the offense uses, they can have a maximum of 9 players blocking on any given pass play (this type of maximum protection is succinctly called "Max Protect"). Since the QB is throwing the pass, he cannot block and must have at least one receiver to catch the pass. Assuming the lone WR is covered by a defensive back, this leaves the defense 10 players to rush the QB versus the offense's 9 blockers--the offense is outnumbered and at a disadvantage. Because the QB cannot block during passing plays, the defense always has one more man available to rush than the offense can block.
Usually offenses do not max protect often, varying the levels of protection available depending on the play design and the QB's pre-snap read of the defense. The more receivers the offense has running passing routes, the better their chances are of completing the pass. This factor allows defenses to devise and execute a staggering variety of blitz packages between any number of their coverage personnel, trading tight coverage of receivers for proactive aggressive disruption of the play.
By nature, blitzes are risky endeavors for the defense. Since the defense is taking away coverage defenders to rush the QB, there necessarily are holes in pass coverage. The defense does not and cannot cover all offensive players, but rather through the blitz, is proactively involved in rattling the QB, sacking the QB, disrupting QB timing, or forcing him to make an error such as an interception or fumble.
The most common blitzes are linebacker blitzes. Safety blitzes, when a safety (usually the strong safety) is sent, and corner blitzes, where a cornerback is sent, are less common. Sending a defensive back on a blitz is even more risky than a linebacker blitz, as it removes a primary pass defender from the coverage scheme, but is also less likely to be picked up by the offensive team’s blockers.
There is some confusion among average fans as to what constitutes a blitz. Blitz is colloquially used to describe any time a LB or DB crosses the line of scrimmage when in actuality, a blitz is defined as the defense rushing the QB with more men than the offense has accounted for and can block. For example, if the defense rushes 5 men, that does not constitute a blitz (as a minimum of 5 blockers are on the offensive line).
Defensive shells and techniques
Blitzes are usually ran from "Cover 1" coverage shells which assign one man to guard the entire deep field, though blitzes can be employed in nearly any coverage scheme. Cover 1 is most effective because it allows a larger number of defensive players to tighten down on the line of scrimmage thus increasing the variety of blitzes possible.
Since the main goal is to disrupt the offensive play before it even develops, many blitz packages encourage cornerbacks to play tight man bump and run coverage to disrupt the wide receivers release and prevent them from running their pre-assigned routes. The non-blitzing safety, usually the free safety, has an enormous amount of field to protect and is at a serious disadvantage if the blitz is unsuccessful and receivers threaten his coverage area. As such, he usually works for depth upon the snap of the ball, backpedaling into his assigned zone.
Linebackers are either blitzing or in pass coverage. Blitzing LBs can employ various stunts to confuse the offense's blockers and break down their protection scheme. Coverage LBs in a Cover 1 scheme will usually have man responsibility on a halfback, fullback, or tight end.
Some defensive schemes employ "key" blitzes where a player will blitz only if his assigned man stays in to block thus keying his action off the action of his man. If his man releases into a pass pattern, then the defensive player will cover him. For example, if weak side linebacker has the fullback as his man, if upon the snap of the ball the fullback blocks, the linebacker will blitz.
Advantages and disadvantages
Advantages gained by blitzing are obvious: proactively disrupt the offense's play before it develops and cause enough pressure on the quarterback to force him into a turnover.
Disadvantages abound in any blitz scheme as well. First, the offensive linemen are usually trained to recognize a blitzing player before the snap of the ball. They communicate with each other at the line of scrimmage using code words that shift the protection to the blitzing player's side thus strengthening their blocking front. The QB can also call other players into the protection scheme with audibles if he feels that his current protection is weak. With good protection calls and fundamental blocking principles, some blitzes can be "picked up"--stopped at the point of attack.
Second, the tight man bump and run technique typical of blitz scheme cornerbacks can be defeated with aggressive WR release moves. Once this happens the CB is at a disadvantage and must regain ground and position quickly to prevent a catch. If the blitz is picked up, the WR can create enough separation to become open relatively quickly.
Third, if the blitz is picked up, the one deep defender (usually the free safety) has an enormous amount of territory to guard. If two players simultaneously threaten his zone, he must decide which one to cover. The QB can read his reaction and throw to the defender that he does not decide to cover, usually for a big gain.
Fourth, if the pass is caught, there are fewer defenders and larger gaps between defenders, meaning that the receiver can get more yards after catch and possibly turn a minimal gain into a dangerous play.
How to beat the blitz
Offenses employ the above procedures to beat the blitz as well as two other techniques and passing route combinations designed to exploit weaknesses in a blitzing scheme.
One of those techniques is called "throwing hot," which entails intentionally leaving one blitzing defensive player unblocked. The offensive line usually makes pre-snap adjustments so that the "free" rusher is clearly within the QB's field of vision. This limits devastating blind-side hits on the QB by rushers.
The other technique, sometimes used in conjunction with throwing hot, is called sight adjustment. Receivers are taught to run into the empty spot vacated by a blitzing player instead of running their pre-assigned pattern. The QB sees the free rusher or blitzing LB/CB and knows that the receiver will sight adjust accordingly and run a route that takes him into the hole left by the defender.
The West Coast Offense is an offense that focuses on ball control and short passes. This is a well timed offense where the quarterback throws the ball quickly to avoid the rush, but still allow the reciever to get behind the blitzing players.
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No. I agree that is the most common view, 5 men or more. But it isn't that cut and dried for every situation. Not going to quibble with you over it though. You want to believe that's all there is to it, I won't stop you.theogt;1179838 said:
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Hostile;1179765 said:
Youre contradicting your own definition.
It has nothing to do with what is considered normal 'job.'
If that were the case then you have endless arguments over what a persons normal assignment is.
The issue that I have with Racks definition is that if Ware goes then its a blitz but if its Singleton who plays the mirrored position, then it is not.
The dfeinition that makes most sense is if you are not a defensive lineman and you rush the passer you are by definition blitzing.
I have heard phrases along the lines of, 'a 3-4 defense is heard to pass protect due to the 4th rusher can come in the form of any of the four linebackers blitzing,' which makes sense and the above definition subsumes it.
Adding the dimension of 'normal responsibility' at best muddles things.
For example if ware runs upfield then it is not a blitz but if he is substituted in for by Burnett then it is a blitz even though they are both playing the same position.
It doesnt make sense.
If Chewbacca is a wookie and he is from Endor then you must aquit.
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And its already been demosnstrated that if you have a 3-3-5 and send in a safety then it is a blitz despite being only 4 rushers thus the 5+ definition is garbage.
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smarta5150;1179310 said:And I remember a few of us defending our d-line saying they have been pressuring QBs when guys like you expressed feeling of disappointment. If we didnt blitz THAT MUCH and STILL got pressure it shows that our d-line are not "overrated" or "disappointing" at all. They simpy shifted gears from stopping the rush to egtting Manning.
your truely,
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Cbz40;1179316 said:
I agree there.... It seems the defense is so worried about overpursuit or getting burned by the screen pass, they hesitate...
we need to attack more like they did on Sunday.
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theogt;1179898 said:
Even if Ware is 5 yards back in a prevent behind the inside shoulder of the rushing end? yeah of course it is.
If it boils down to who the individual is an not the position then yeah its complete and utter garbage.
If Ellis and Ware are on both sides of a formation playing OLB and you send one or the other its not a blitz then if you send both then it shouldnt be either. We all now that to be crap.
Like I said if on tow different plays, Ware and Singleton play the exact same position and the exact same play and defensive formation. On one play you call it a blitz because its Singleton and the other its not because its Ware.
According to that rational there would be no elite blitzers because as soon as you became good at it then you would no longer be blitzing.
That is not coherent, objective, concise or anything other than garbage.
The only simple concise and coherent definition is that if you are not a down linemen and you are rushing the passer then you are a blitzer.
On Madden in the 3-4 schemes there was always a OLB blitz.
So yes we do indeed blitz Ware quite a bit
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Sorry, it's not. Four defenders rushing the QB is not a blitz. If it's delayed it is a quasi-blitz but is not a blitz.FuzzyLumpkins;1179922 said:
The fact that you think that rushing both Ellis and Ware (and 3 down linemen) is not a blitz indicates that there's no sense in me replying to you. That is obviously a blitz.
Yes. That is completely incoherent. It is also what Rack was arguing for earlier. It has nothing to do with 5-men blitzing. I think you're getting confused. A 5-man blitz is a blitz regardless of who is coming and where they are coming from.
This is obviously not true. In a 3-4 alignment when 3 down linemen rush the QB and only one LB does it is not a blitz.
Did you just attempt to cite to Madden?
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theogt;1179930 said:
If its a 3-3-5 and the safety goes under your definition that is not a blitz and that is garbage. Thus your definition of 5+ is proven false.
You completely ignored the whole contention of your definition depending on te individual and not the position and how that is anything other than concise. Thus your premise is proven false.
There was a definition from a dictionary posted by Hostile which was almost verbatim my definition. Non Dlineman rusher = blitzer. This again disproves your definition.
The Madden reference was to the game. Perhaps youve heard of it. Its been around for about a decade and a half and they call rushing an OLB out of the 3-4 a blitz and somehow that doesnt change when you substitiute Ware in.
So basically we have logic and a reference to a bloody dictionary as well as a video game designed by one of the most famous coaches in all time against your opnion. Thats all you have is your OPINION.
Now Ive argued with you befopre. You repeat yourself ad nauseum so if i ignore your repetitious arguments to only extend mine, do not be surprised.
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You're exactly right. This is why I said that the 5+ man definition had a few exceptions (like the zone blitz and a few others).FuzzyLumpkins;1179951 said:
My definition does not depend on the individual or position of who is blitzing. This makes it concise and consistent. You apparently haven't been able to grasp my premise, so I'm not sure you could even know when it's been proven false.
This has been discussed. The definition pointed out by Hos ASSUMES that 4 other linemen are already rushing the QB. The 5th person (LB or DB) is what makes it a blitz. Hence, 5 defenders rushing the QB is a blitz.
Just so we're sure -- you are attempting to cite to a video game as evidence.
If you were able to fully understand the definition given by the "dictionary" you would realize that it actually proves my "5-man" definition.
Try comprehending and refuting the arguments rather than ignoring them. It would make your posts more intelligible.
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prolly like peyton manning, i never saw this coming.
demarcus ware provided lots of pressure. but he wasn't the only one. up 'til the indy game you could pretty much tell where dallas was coming from well before the snap. in this game i was regularly surprised by DBs/LBs intimating blitz and backing out at the last second ('cept when they didn't). i could literally sense the confusion the colts were experiencing. the attack was well-disguised and the pressure steady. it reminded me of the eagles defense 'cept plays didn't end with a befuddled bledsoe rising gingerly from the carpet.
zimmer did the unthinkable. he actually orchestrated an effective rush against one of the more adept and prolific offenses. double-whammy. kudos.
the big question now is... can he get this same level of effort, and same level of effectiveness, out of his charges on a regular basis?
the talent is there. he needs to maximize it or jones/parcells should get somebody else who can.
demarcus ware provided lots of pressure. but he wasn't the only one. up 'til the indy game you could pretty much tell where dallas was coming from well before the snap. in this game i was regularly surprised by DBs/LBs intimating blitz and backing out at the last second ('cept when they didn't). i could literally sense the confusion the colts were experiencing. the attack was well-disguised and the pressure steady. it reminded me of the eagles defense 'cept plays didn't end with a befuddled bledsoe rising gingerly from the carpet.
zimmer did the unthinkable. he actually orchestrated an effective rush against one of the more adept and prolific offenses. double-whammy. kudos.
the big question now is... can he get this same level of effort, and same level of effectiveness, out of his charges on a regular basis?
the talent is there. he needs to maximize it or jones/parcells should get somebody else who can.
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