"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[Juke99]

Can I email them to you?

Yes, anything as a bribe to close this thread would be Jim Dandy with me.

 

[theogt]

I knew someone would get hung up on the number. From dictionary.com

Football. A sudden charge upon the quarterback by one or more of the linebackers or defensive backs when the ball is snapped. Also called red-dog.

I actually linked to this definition earlier. The definition assumes that four down linemen are rushing the QB. Hence, 4 down linement PLUS "one or more linebackers or defensive backs". That's 5+ defensive players.

 

[Danny White]

I'll take my answer to the "Blitz" question from the legendary John Facenda:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B00000DGUH001013/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_013/102-1572635-4164960

"Blitz is defined as a sudden, savage attack. It is indeed all this. The theory is simple: send more bodies at the quarterback than his blockers can absorb. The effect is sure. The premise is simple. It's a basic, primal confrontation. Man to man. No excuses are offered... none accepted. From the right outside, from the left outside, from up the middle they come. All with blood in their eyes. All with one goal: Get the quarterback... get the man."

 

[Hostile]

Now I know Ware in technically a LB but he lines up like a d-linemen in situations (3 point stance and then fires off rushing the QB - not a blitz). BUT when his is in a 2 point stance he is more of a LB, therefore if he rushes from this position, he blitzes.

So going back to what I have been saying - Anyone in a 2 point stance who rushes the line of scrimmage is a blitzer turning our defense into a "blitz."

No, Ware isn't blitzing from his assignment. That's not a blitz. If he moved Inside and came after the QB it would be a blitz.

 

[smarta5150]

I'll take my answer to the "Blitz" question from the legendary John Facenda:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-...13/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_013/102-1572635-4164960

"Blitz is defined as a sudden, savage attack. It is indeed all this. The theory is simple: send more bodies at the quarterback than his blockers can absorb. The effect is sure. The premise is simple. It's a basic, primal confrontation. Man to man. No excuses are offered... none accepted. From the right outside, from the left outside, from up the middle they come. All with blood in their eyes. All with one goal: Get the quarterback... get the man."

I like the quote and all but I am sure other people have been quoted with different opinions.

 

[smarta5150]

No, Ware isn't blitzing from his assignment. That's not a blitz. If he moved Inside and came after the QB it would be a blitz.

But it is a blitz because he has options of dropping into coverage, containing, or rushing the QB. A rush on a QB would then be a blitz imo.

This thread is getting old tho... I think the only point we are all making in this is a perspective thing and we are typically showing we see things from different angles.

Clooooooose it - Peanuts are in the mail!

 

[Hostile]

I actually linked to this definition earlier. The definition assumes that four down linemen are rushing the QB. Hence, 4 down linement PLUS "one or more linebackers or defensive backs". That's 5+ defensive players.

I acknowledge that. I was saying if the 4 DL inexplicably drop into coverage and the DB comes it is still a blitz. You are correct. My explanation is amplifying that you are correct, not detracting from it.

 

[theogt]

I'll take my answer to the "Blitz" question from the legendary John Facenda:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-...13/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_013/102-1572635-4164960

"Blitz is defined as a sudden, savage attack. It is indeed all this. The theory is simple: send more bodies at the quarterback than his blockers can absorb. The effect is sure. The premise is simple. It's a basic, primal confrontation. Man to man. No excuses are offered... none accepted. From the right outside, from the left outside, from up the middle they come. All with blood in their eyes. All with one goal: Get the quarterback... get the man."

The "sending more defenders than the offense can block" is obviously incorrect. Sending 6 rushing defenders at at a two-TE line (7 offensive players blocking) is obviously still a blitz, even when there are more than enough offensive players to absorb the rushers.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

10 pages and still no response. Wow. Does that mean he can call someone out, but doesn't want to be called out?



Oh, Rack's definition of a blitz is pretty much right on the money. If you dropped 10 guys into coverage and rushed with a DB it would be a blitz. A stupid one, but still a blitz.

Yeah, "Mr. 30 Yard Slant" refuses to comment.

 

[Juke99]

I acknowledge that. I was saying if the 4 DL inexplicably drop into coverage and the DB comes it is still a blitz. You are correct. My explanation is amplifying that you are correct, not detracting from it.

Well sure, that would be a zone blitz.

Drop a D-linemen into coverage, rush a position that doesn't normally rush the QB.

Even if only four rush, 3 D-linemen and the atypical rusher, it's still a blitz.

That's what a Zone blitz is.

I gotta check my email for peanuts.

 

[theogt]

I acknowledge that. I was saying if the 4 DL inexplicably drop into coverage and the DB comes it is still a blitz. You are correct. My explanation is amplifying that you are correct, not detracting from it.

But what I am saying is that if the four linemen drop into coverage and the CB rushes, it is not a blitz.

In any given play there is expected a minimum of four rushing defensive players whether it is a 3-4 or 4-3 defense. There are exceptions but they are few and far between. My contention is that any time a defense rushes more than the expected number of linemen it is a blitz. Thus, any time that 5+ defenders rush the QB it is a blitz.

I discussed the zone blitz earlier. It is technically not a blitz.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Actually I kinda like the definition of a LB or DB rushing the passer then it's a blitz EXCEPT for that means that if the ROLB or LOLB rush the pass, like quite often then do, then that is a "blitz" and to me Ware coming off the edge and joining the 3 down lineman isn't a blitz.

 

[Danny White]

The "sending more defenders than the offense can block" is obviously incorrect. Sending 6 rushing defenders at at a two-TE line (7 offensive players blocking) is obviously still a blitz, even when there are more than enough offensive players to absorb the rushers.

Sorry, I didn't realize I stepped into the middle of a scholarly debate. The thread just reminded me of that great clip from the NFL Films CD: The Power and the Glory.

I wasn't really trying to define anything, I just think anything read by Facenda sounds pretty badasss ad has a "man law" sort of authority to it.

 

[smarta5150]

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OR

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[Bleu Star]

I truly hope that i am not the only one who finds this bit of hypocrisy extremely amusing.

lol you aren't.

 

[theogt]

Actually I kinda like the definition of a LB or DB rushing the passer then it's a blitz EXCEPT for that means that if the ROLB or LOLB rush the pass, like quite often then do, then that is a "blitz" and to me Ware coming off the edge and joining the 3 down lineman isn't a blitz.

There's a very simple solution for this quandary: defining the blitz as rushing 5 defenders.

 

[Juke99]

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OR

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I'll take both.

Where the heck is Bradley Beach?

 

[smarta5150]

I'll take both.

Where the heck is Bradley Beach?

D new jersey

 

[Chuck 54]

LMAO...I can't believe you guys have somehow gotten this far in this thread...when I posted about 5 hours ago it was only on page 3 and didn't seem to have anything else of value to say.

I only read page 12, but here's the definition of "blitz" according to an NFL glossary of terms, in case no one googled it yet:

Definition: A defensive strategy in which a linebacker or defensive back vacates his normal responsibilities in order to pressure the quarterback. The object of a blitz is to tackle the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage or force the quarterback to hurry his pass.
Pronunciation: Blits
Also Known As: Red Dog
Examples: When a defensive line is having trouble putting pressure on the quarterback, the defensive coordinator may decide to help them out by sending one or more linebackers or defensive backs on a blitz.

 

[smarta5150]

LMAO...I can't believe you guys have somehow gotten this far in this thread...when I posted about 5 hours ago it was only on page 3 and didn't seem to have anything else of value to say.

I only read page 12, but here's the definition of "blitz" according to an NFL glossary of terms, in case no one googled it yet:

Definition: A defensive strategy in which a linebacker or defensive back vacates his normal responsibilities in order to pressure the quarterback. The object of a blitz is to tackle the quarterback behind the line of scrimmage or force the quarterback to hurry his pass.
Pronunciation: Blits
Also Known As: Red Dog
Examples: When a defensive line is having trouble putting pressure on the quarterback, the defensive coordinator may decide to help them out by sending one or more linebackers or defensive backs on a blitz.

We are trying to coin our own definition lol. Check back in anotehr 5 hours please. :laugh1: