"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[Rack]

But what if both OLB rush? In that scenario both OLBs "normally" rush so that wouldn't be a blitz. The 5-men definition encompasses this scenario.

But the "5 or more" covers that. So if both rush, it's a blitz.

4 rushers is the norm out of a 4-3 or a 3-4. So 5 rushers out of those defensive fronts is a blitz.

 

[smarta5150]

I dont think you can define by the number of players rushing. If we have an 8-man goal line does that mean we are blitzing? No it doesnt.

Like I said before... Anyone who rushes the QB who isnt in a 3 point stance would be considered a "blitzer." Therefor, we have a blitz on.

Now I wouldnt say that when the Pats keeps all their d-line standing up they are blitzers. That would be an exception.

 

[Rack]

I dont think you can define by the number of players rushing. If we have an 8-man goal line does that mean we are blitzing? No it doesnt.

Like I said before... Anyone who rushes the QB who isnt in a 3 point stance would be considered a "blitzer." Therefor, we have a blitz on.

Now I wouldnt say that when the Pats keeps all their d-line standing up they are blitzers. That would be an exception.

Yes you can, depending on the front. Try and read the whole post before replying.


5+ rushers is the norm for a goalline defense since there at least 5 DL in that front.


But 5+ rushers out of a 3-4 is NOT the norm and therefore when it occurs, it's a blitz.

Like I said before... Anyone who rushes the QB who isnt in a 3 point stance would be considered a "blitzer." Therefor, we have a blitz on.

There are exceptions. When an OLB in a 3-4 defense rushes, it's not a blitz since it's customary for the OLBs in the 3-4 to rush the QB. It's the norm. Anyone that rushes the QB "out of the norm" is a blitzer.

 

[theogt]

I dont think you can define by the number of players rushing. If we have an 8-man goal line does that mean we are blitzing? No it doesnt.

Like I said before... Anyone who rushes the QB who isnt in a 3 point stance would be considered a "blitzer." Therefor, we have a blitz on.

Now I wouldnt say that when the Pats keeps all their d-line standing up they are blitzers. That would be an exception.

I'm sure you didn't read the whole thread, but earlier we stated there's really no such thing as a blitz in goalline/short yardage situations.

 

[smarta5150]

I'm sure you didn't read the whole thread, but earlier we stated there's really no such thing as a blitz in goalline/short yardage situations.

Then explain to me when the bears line up 6 men in the middle of the field what that would be.

 

[Rack]

I'm sure you didn't read the whole thread, but earlier we stated there's really no such thing as a blitz in goalline/short yardage situations.

There can be though.


Say it's 3rd and goal from the 3. The LBs and safeties can't sell out for the run cuz there's a very good chance there's a pass. So you can send a pass/run blitz in that situation, or you can have them sit back in coverage.


But the "numbers" part doesn't apply there cuz you usually have 5+ DL in your goalline D. But you can still blitz a safety if you're in goalline, and it counts as a blitz.

 

[theogt]

Then explain to me when the bears line up 6 men in the middle of the field what that would be.

If 6 men are rushing the passer it's a blitz.

 

[smarta5150]

Yes you can, depending on the front. Try and read the whole post before replying.


5+ rushers is the norm for a goalline defense since there at least 5 DL in that front.


But 5+ rushers out of a 3-4 is NOT the norm and therefore when it occurs, it's a blitz.





There are exceptions. When an OLB in a 3-4 defense rushes, it's not a blitz since it's customary for the OLBs in the 3-4 to rush the QB. It's the norm. Anyone that rushes the QB "out of the norm" is a blitzer.

The "norm."

I thought it was the job of the defensive coordinator to disguise things so there isnt a norm. Who defines this "norm."

 

[smarta5150]

If 6 men are rushing the passer it's a blitz.

Even if all 6 men are down in a 3 point stance ?

 

[Rack]

Then explain to me when the bears line up 6 men in the middle of the field what that would be.

It's probably the opposite of the 3-4. In the 3-4 you don't know which LB is gonna rush all the time. In that 6DL defense, it's to confuse the QB so that he doesn't know which DL is gonna drop back in coverage.

But if all 6 rush the QB, I wouldn't call it a blitz since they're all defensive lineman.


Like I said earlier, there's a lot of different interpretations, but the one certain thing is that you don't have to send more then the offense can block for it to be considered a blitz.

 

[theogt]

There can be though.


Say it's 3rd and goal from the 3. The LBs and safeties can't sell out for the run cuz there's a very good chance there's a pass. So you can send a pass/run blitz in that situation, or you can have them sit back in coverage.


But the "numbers" part doesn't apply there cuz you usually have 5+ DL in your goalline D. But you can still blitz a safety if you're in goalline, and it counts as a blitz.

I don't consider 3rd and 3 short yardage. In 3rd and 3 we play the nickel, not the goalline package.

If you're in goalline and you send 5+ defenders it's not a blitz -- it's a goalline play.

 

[theogt]

Even if all 6 men are down in a 3 point stance ?

Yes. If 11 men are in a 3-point stance and rush the QB it's also a blitz.

 

[Rack]

The "norm."

I thought it was the job of the defensive coordinator to disguise things so there isnt a norm. Who defines this "norm."

You misunderstood what I meant by "norm".


Does an OLB normally rush the passer in the 3-4 defense? I'm not saying ALL THE TIME, but it is NORMAL for an OLB to rush the QB in a 3-4. Therefore it's not a blitz if one of them rushes.


It's not "Normal" for a SS to rush the passer, so when he rushes, it is a blitz.

 

[Rack]

I don't consider 3rd and 3 short yardage. In 3rd and 3 we play the nickel, not the goalline package.

If you're in goalline and you send 5+ defenders it's not a blitz -- it's a goalline play.

We would NOT play the nickel D on 3rd and Goal if the offense is in their Goalline offense.


If you're in Goalline, and you send a safety, it's a blitz.

 

[smarta5150]

Like I said earlier, there's a lot of different interpretations, but the one certain thing is that you don't have to send more then the offense can block for it to be considered a blitz.

I never said that was the meaning of a blitz.

I am the guy who said defenders who rush from standing positions are considered people who blitz.

I honestly think that is the SIMPLEST way of explaining it. If someone rushes the line of scrimmage from standing up - a blitz is on, if not, there is no blitz.

 

[Rack]

I never said that was the meaning of a blitz.

I am the guy who said defenders who rush from standing positions are considered people who blitz.

I honestly think that is the SIMPLEST way of explaining it. If someone rushes the line of scrimmage from standing up - a blitz is on, if not, there is no blitz.

1. I didn't say you did.


2. Someone rushing from a stand up position is not necessarily a blitzer. One of the main jobs of a 3-4 OLB is to rush the QB. So it's not a "blitz" when he rushes.

It is the "SIMPLEST" way of explaining it, but not 100% true.

 

[theogt]

We would NOT play the nickel D on 3rd and Goal if the offense is in their Goalline offense.


If you're in Goalline, and you send a safety, it's a blitz.

I didn't notice that you said goalline. My bad. Ok, in a goalline situation, the down linemen typically are not rushing the passer (they're playing the run) so this entire thread of the conversation is moot.

 

[smarta5150]

1. I didn't say you did.


2. Someone rushing from a stand up position is not necessarily a blitzer. One of the main jobs of a 3-4 OLB is to rush the QB. So it's not a "blitz" when he rushes.

It is the "SIMPLEST" way of explaining it, but not 100% true.

Well Ware is a 3-4 LB and he has been deflecting passes, getting sacks, stopping run play and so on. We can argue his MAIN purpose but its more obvious that he is a triple threat guy rather than a pass rusher.

This started with defining the term blitz and thats what I was trying to do.

BTW, I was the #7 post so I did not jsut walk into this post with out reading the thread. :

 

[Rack]

Well Ware is a 3-4 LB and he has been deflecting passes, getting sacks, stopping run play and so on. We can argue his MAIN purpose but its more obvious that he is a triple threat guy rather than a pass rusher.

This started with defining the term blitz and thats what I was trying to do.

BTW, I was the #7 post so I did not jsut walk into this post with out reading the thread. :

What Ware's "Main" responsibility is is irrelevant.


Is it "Normal" for him to rush the passer?

Yes.

Therefore when he does it, it's not a blitz. It's just one of his "normal" responsibilities.


Your definition of a "blitz" is simplistic, and not entirely true. Although very close. But, as with most things, there are exceptions.

 

[smarta5150]

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