"We didn't blitz that much"--Bill Parcells

[cowboys19]

I provided a definition that implied that 5 defenders rushing is a blitz.

theogt why don't you argue with Rack since he said a linebacker has to rush in order to blitz, unlike what you said

"5 down linemen = a blitz"

 

[Rack]

Can you think of a situation (other than a zone blitz situation) where a 4-man rush is a blitz?

Nickel 3-3-5 defense, rushing a safety or LB.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Is this rhetorical? Or do you really want to know?

lame

c'mon, you can do better than that, I have faith in you grasshopper

go forth

 

[superpunk]

why are we arguing what a blitz is? I lost it about 4 pages back

It has something to do with HH31.

And cupcakes.

And cboys19 has a boner for ogt or something.

 

[theogt]

Nickel 3-3-5 defense, rushing a safety or LB.

Yeah, I guess that's arguable. Some may consider that a blitz, but I'm not sure I would unless it was a delayed rush.

 

[superpunk]

lame

c'mon, you can do better than that, I have faith in you grasshopper

go forth

I'm not really looking to tango. I am dumb. I don't know what that has to do with blitzes, but....whatever.

 

[Rack]

Yeah, I guess that's arguable. Some may consider that a blitz, but I'm not sure I would unless it was a delayed rush.

Yeah it's debatable.


There's many different interpretations, but I do KNOW that it doesn't HAVE to be "more then the offense can block" for it to be a blitz.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm not really looking to tango. I am dumb. I don't know what that has to do with blitzes, but....whatever.

:laugh2:

your self-esteem though...

 

[theogt]

Yeah it's debatable.


There's many different interpretations, but I do KNOW that it doesn't HAVE to be "more then the offense can block" for it to be a blitz.

Can we at least agree that the general rule is that 5 defenders rushing the passer equal a blitz?

There are exceptions to the rule (i.e., zone blitz), of course.

 

[superpunk]

Can we at least agree that the general rule is that 5 defenders rushing the passer equal a blitz?

There are exceptions to the rule (i.e., zone blitz), of course.

If they are 5 down linemen.....no dice.

I think.

 

[Rack]

Can we at least agree that the general rule is that 5 defenders rushing the passer equal a blitz?

There are exceptions to the rule (i.e., zone blitz), of course.

Basically, yes. But if a defense is running goalline,and the offense calls a pass, they aren't "blitzing" by sending 6 DL. That's just the norm for that D.


I guess the best definition of a blitz is "The defense sending a man to rush the QB who's job isn't normally that of a pass rusher".





That even cover a 3-4 OLB rushing. You can't say he's "blitzing" cuz one of his "normal" jobs is to rush the QB.

 

[theogt]

Basically, yes. But if a defense is running goalline,and the offense calls a pass, they aren't "blitzing" by sending 6 DL. That's just the norm for that D.

Yeah, I covered this yesterday when the subject came up. At that time I added "excluding goal-line or short yardage situations."

 

[smarta5150]

Blitzing is just sending a non-down linemen. Now dont give me that sometimes a down linemen is in a standing position... like what the Pats do sometimes.

Maybe its more complicated but this makes sense to me

 

[superpunk]

Blitzing is just sending a non-down linemen.

That I can pretty much get on board with. If your hands down, they know you're coming. If you're standing, you've got several options.

 

[theogt]

Blitzing is just sending a non-down linemen. Now dont give me that sometimes a down linemen is in a standing position... like what the Pats do sometimes.

Maybe its more complicated but this makes sense to me

Sending 3 down lineman and DeMarcus Ware(from a standing position) is not a blitz.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Sending 3 down lineman and DeMarcus Ware(from a standing position) is not a blitz.

I don't think so either.

 

[superpunk]

Sending 3 down lineman and DeMarcus Ware(from a standing position) is not a blitz.

Why not? They weren't sure Ware was coming, it can be a blitz. It could have just as easily been the other OLB. Would it have been a blitz then because our primary pass rusher wasn't coming? I think the down linemen theory is as close to a definitive answer as you can get.

 

[smarta5150]

Sending 3 down lineman and DeMarcus Ware(from a standing position) is not a blitz.

I agree.

(oops, wrong quote)

Why not? They weren't sure Ware was coming, it can be a blitz. It could have just as easily been the other OLB. Would it have been a blitz then because our primary pass rusher wasn't coming? I think the down linemen theory is as close to a definitive answer as you can get.

That is what I agree with. Sorry.

 

[Rack]

Sending 3 down lineman and DeMarcus Ware(from a standing position) is not a blitz.

I agree. My last interpretation covers this.


"Anytime a non-DL rushes the QB who doesn't 'normally' rush the qb, is a blitz"


Ware "normally" rushes the QB so by him rushing, it's not a blitz.

 

[theogt]

I agree. My last interpretation covers this.


"Anytime a non-DL rushes the QB who doesn't 'normally' rush the qb, is a blitz"


Ware "normally" rushes the QB so by him rushing, it's not a blitz.

But what if both OLB rush? In that scenario both OLBs "normally" rush so that wouldn't be a blitz. The 5-men definition encompasses this scenario.