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[MichaelWinicki]

One of todays rumor:

• Talk of TNA going out of business within the next few months continues to get louder and louder.

It needs too.

And take that dopey shaped ring with them.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well it was with the Discovery America channel which isn't even a top-40 cable channel as far as viewership and it pales in comparison to Spike TV.

From the rumblings, the channel isn't happy with that type of programming with the other programming that they offer.

I've read the same thing and really don't understand what they were thinking taking on TNA to begin with.

At this point the only questions is.....will Vince pick up any of the talent when TNA folds? If you replaced the bottom feeders from WWE with the best talent from TNA now that would be must see TV.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I'll believe the TNA going under when I see it. They've said that before...they being those wrestling sites.

I don't watch that show but I know they have some good wrestlers.

Those guys would want to keep working surely & that means WWE.

 

[Phoenix]

I've read the same thing and really don't understand what they were thinking taking on TNA to begin with.

At this point the only questions is.....will Vince pick up any of the talent when TNA folds? If you replaced the bottom feeders from WWE with the best talent from TNA now that would be must see TV.

When their overseas tour or whatever that was recently got canceled, there were some rumblings about many of the TNA "Talent" (and I use that term loosely) contacting WWE and Vince saying pretty much "no thanks" to the lot of them...

 

[Phoenix]

BOOM! DOWN GOES TNA!


http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news...america-reportedly-cancels-all-tna-wrestling/


Destination America Reportedly Cancels All TNA Wrestling Programming


Before it was announced last Friday that Impact Wrestling would be moving to Wednesday nights beginning on June 3, 2015, Destination America officials made the decision to cancel the show and all other programming from the Nashville, Tennessee-based company. This is according to Dave Meltzer in this week's issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, which was published Wednesday night.

It was noted to Meltzer that all TNA programming will cease to air on Destination America at the end of the third quarter of the year. This is roughly the last week of September, when the current television season ends. Key people at parent company Discovery Communications were informed of the decision.

Two major reasons were given for the cancellation of TNA shows. While Destination America officials considered the ratings for Impact Wrestling to be good, the numbers were not good enough to justify the cost of the programming. The other problem was that a number of the cable network's advertisers specifically did not want to advertise during Impact Wrestling.

The decision from Destination America was meant to be kept secret, quite like how Spike executives kept secret publicly last year their decision to drop Impact Wrestling for months after the decision was made and reported. A public acknowledgment is expected to be made when the station reveals its 2015-16 television season prime-time lineup.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When their overseas tour or whatever that was recently got canceled, there were some rumblings about many of the TNA "Talent" (and I use that term loosely) contacting WWE and Vince saying pretty much "no thanks" to the lot of them...

I read that also. Frankly I don't believe anything that comes out of Vince's mouth any more than Jerry Jones' mouth. Clearly there is some talent that is better than what the WWE has. It would be stupid to just allow them to go to other wrestling organizations.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I read that also. Frankly I don't believe anything that comes out of Vince's mouth any more than Jerry Jones' mouth. Clearly there is some talent that is better than what the WWE has. It would be stupid to just allow them to go to other wrestling organizations.

While I agree on principle why would this matter to Vince?

What promotions are going to get them that is going to hurt Vince's bottom line? The answer that is none.

He doesn't care if they go to ROH or over to Japan or down to Mexico. None of those companies are even competition to the WWE.


Now that said I would hope that the WWE would pick up a handful of people from TNA as they have some damn good wrestlers there that would be nice to have added to the WWE. But this is where you run into your next problem. They're WWE homegrown guys (Other than Kurt Angle) and so even if the WWE brought them in they're very likely to simply job them to death and make them completely irrelevant.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

It needs too.

And take that dopey shaped ring with them.

I like the 6-sided ring and it supposedly helps the wrestlers perform better high spots due to the size and the ropes are in a better position to propel the wrestler. Furthermore, the goal is to try and create a different product than the WWE and a better product. Little things like a different ring shape can help with that. Otherwise, you keep looking like the minor leagues of the WWE.

The problem with TNA is that they tried to beat the WWE at their own game. Something Dixie never understood that you can't beat McMahon at his game. That alone would have excluded Russo from ever being in the conversation of ever working for the company.

I watched Impact! a couple of weeks ago after the Billy Corgan announcement, but to me it was pretty clear that Russo was booking that nonsense. I know they say he's no longer with the company, but that's been proven to be a lie before. But with all of the nonsensical hardcore matches and the 'on a pole' matches and the Mickie James/Magnus/James Storm nonsense just reeks of Russo's thumbprint.

It's too bad. The company had the funding and had an audience that didn't like WWE wrestling and didn't go over to the WWE once WCW and ECW were bought out. But they could not have not have screwed it up any further than they did.





YR

 

[Yakuza Rich]

What promotions are going to get them that is going to hurt Vince's bottom line? The answer that is none.

He doesn't care if they go to ROH or over to Japan or down to Mexico. None of those companies are even competition to the WWE.

Vince has had a long history of taking other promotions' champions and saddling them with crappy gimmicks and burying them so they looked terrible if the talent left Vince to go back to the promotion. He did it with Dusty Rhodes which I think effectively killed Dusty's career as being a massive draw. He did it with Flair to a degree in '92 (Flair did tons of jobs with no offense, did a PC with nobody in the audience, etc), did it with Terry Taylor, Vader, Shane Douglas, Tazz, etc.

The thing with Vince is that he's impossible to predict. He'll like some odd wrestler for whatever reason and sour on some spectacular talent and bury them for some unknown reason.

That being said, WCW was a threat to Vince...TNA was not. So burying former WCW wrestlers that jumped ship could help Vince in the end. I think he looks at RoH as a good training grounds as many of his top talents have come from RoH. TNA is a different story because they had every reason to pose some sort of threat to the WWE and never came close. But by the same token, they really haven't had homemade TNA wrestlers come over to the WWE so you have to wonder if these wrestlers could be stars in the WWE.

The bigger issue is that the WWE has plenty of talent on their roster, but they struggle to figure out what to do with them. We see plenty of quality wrestling and guys getting over in NXT, but then they jump to the WWE and they languish in mediocrity due to the writing being so terrible and the WWE refusing to move on from Cena, Kane, Orton, etc and overusing the Divas way too much. All of the extra great talent in the world won't mean much until they can figure out how to deal with their terrible writing to begin with.





YR

 

[big dog cowboy]

While I agree on principle why would this matter to Vince?

What promotions are going to get them that is going to hurt Vince's bottom line? The answer that is none.

He doesn't care if they go to ROH or over to Japan or down to Mexico. None of those companies are even competition to the WWE.


Now that said I would hope that the WWE would pick up a handful of people from TNA as they have some damn good wrestlers there that would be nice to have added to the WWE. But this is where you run into your next problem. They're WWE homegrown guys (Other than Kurt Angle) and so even if the WWE brought them in they're very likely to simply job them to death and make them completely irrelevant.

There isn't aywhere the TNA guys could go that would hurt Vince. I'm not looking at it that way. I'm looking to improve the overall WWE product so it is watchable again. When I look at the current stable there is a ton of dead weight that simply needs to go. Just like a football team, it's all about improving the roster.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

The first guy they need to RUN after...WWE I mean...is Angle.

 

[DanteEXT]

Anyone watch NXT Takeover last night?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Anyone watch NXT Takeover last night?

I was busy therefore I missed it. But I read up on it today and it sounds like it was simply awesome. I mean, off the charts good.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Vince has had a long history of taking other promotions' champions and saddling them with crappy gimmicks and burying them so they looked terrible if the talent left Vince to go back to the promotion. He did it with Dusty Rhodes which I think effectively killed Dusty's career as being a massive draw. He did it with Flair to a degree in '92 (Flair did tons of jobs with no offense, did a PC with nobody in the audience, etc), did it with Terry Taylor, Vader, Shane Douglas, Tazz, etc.

The thing with Vince is that he's impossible to predict. He'll like some odd wrestler for whatever reason and sour on some spectacular talent and bury them for some unknown reason.

That being said, WCW was a threat to Vince...TNA was not. So burying former WCW wrestlers that jumped ship could help Vince in the end. I think he looks at RoH as a good training grounds as many of his top talents have come from RoH. TNA is a different story because they had every reason to pose some sort of threat to the WWE and never came close. But by the same token, they really haven't had homemade TNA wrestlers come over to the WWE so you have to wonder if these wrestlers could be stars in the WWE.

The bigger issue is that the WWE has plenty of talent on their roster, but they struggle to figure out what to do with them. We see plenty of quality wrestling and guys getting over in NXT, but then they jump to the WWE and they languish in mediocrity due to the writing being so terrible and the WWE refusing to move on from Cena, Kane, Orton, etc and overusing the Divas way too much. All of the extra great talent in the world won't mean much until they can figure out how to deal with their terrible writing to begin with.





YR

Agreed.

I'm hoping if they bring in more TNA people that they go the route they did last night and take them to NXT first.

I say this not because those guys need training in NXT, cause they don't, but NXT is HHH's baby. He's passionate about the people he brings there. If they go there first they'll have a real shot to succeed in the WWE cause they'll have HHH in their corner.

People take a lot of shots at HHH, talk bad about him, but you can see his vision, and guiding hand, on so many good things that the WWE is doing or trying to do. His work with NXT should not go unnoticed.

HHH gets it.

IMO he's just doing what he can until he basically has the full control of thing where he can really do some good on the overall product.

He has an ego, for sure, but he clearly seems to be a guy who has no problem with listening and realizing that there are other smart people out there who have ideas and ways to improve the business and he doesn't seem to mind going with some of that.

There isn't aywhere the TNA guys could go that would hurt Vince. I'm not looking at it that way. I'm looking to improve the overall WWE product so it is watchable again. When I look at the current stable there is a ton of dead weight that simply needs to go. Just like a football team, it's all about improving the roster.

I hear you man. I agree as I said. I'm just not sure I believe that Vince will allow those people to improve his roster if they just go straight to WWE.

With the exception of Angle because obviously he created Angle so he'll be fine with pushing him again.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I did watch the Kevin Owens vs. Cena confrontation. I'll be surprised if they stick with Owens in this way because he doesn't have the body that Vince likes. That being said, he's a heel, so there's no real prerequisite to having a good physique.

The issue is that the writing is likely to be bad.

The best way to handle this feud which has worked for decades is to allow Owens to cut promos on Cena...just him and an announcer. Keep Cena and Owens away from each other. Let Owens win some squash matches, maybe have him sneak attack Cena on occasion, but generally keep them away from each other before heading into the big money match.

Instead, we'll likely see Cena get payback too soon, too many 'mic confrontations' and crappy vignettes which go over like a fart in church.




YR

 

[BoysFan4ever]

I did watch the Kevin Owens vs. Cena confrontation. I'll be surprised if they stick with Owens in this way because he doesn't have the body that Vince likes. That being said, he's a heel, so there's no real prerequisite to having a good physique.

The issue is that the writing is likely to be bad.

The best way to handle this feud which has worked for decades is to allow Owens to cut promos on Cena...just him and an announcer. Keep Cena and Owens away from each other. Let Owens win some squash matches, maybe have him sneak attack Cena on occasion, but generally keep them away from each other before heading into the big money match.

Instead, we'll likely see Cena get payback too soon, too many 'mic confrontations' and crappy vignettes which go over like a fart in church.




YR

I'm with Vince....another fat guy!

 

[DanteEXT]

I was busy therefore I missed it. But I read up on it today and it sounds like it was simply awesome. I mean, off the charts good.

It was very good. Well worth watching if you get a chance.

 

[Phoenix]

The first guy they need to RUN after...WWE I mean...is Angle.

Angle used to be in the WWE, years and years ago. I have no idea where his relationship with Vince stands today. Someone had a hilarious comment recently when Angle won their championship and then the Hardy's won the tag title....something like the TNA just became the WWE of 2004 or something ha ha

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Angle used to be in the WWE, years and years ago. I have no idea where his relationship with Vince stands today. Someone had a hilarious comment recently when Angle won their championship and then the Hardy's won the tag title....something like the TNA just became the WWE of 2004 or something ha ha

I have watched him on TNA a few times. He's excellent.

And I hear he's on the decline.

If that is declining he must have been one of the best.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I have watched him on TNA a few times. He's excellent.

And I hear he's on the decline.

If that is declining he must have been one of the best.

In my eyes there is a noticable decline. I absolutely hated him in the WWF but highly respected his talent and think he could walk into the WWE and be a top guy.