Randy Gregory has been playing lights out

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Does his career to date strike you as a guy who puts his football career first? Do you think it is a coincidence that he is "breaking out" in a contract year. As good as he has been playing and as disruptive as he has been if you are watching him closely he is 100% sack or nothing. He get cleared out on run plays and is lost upfield on screen plays. He knows that sacks = dollars and that is what he is playing for. You would have to be incredible naïve to think that this level of play will continue for 5 more years. Besides he is 29 years old already. This year is going to be the best Randy you will ever see. Do not pay him based on something that will most likely never happen again. How many times has that burned us in the past and this one is pretty plain and clear for all to see.
I do look at the skill level, and performance, and I can easily dismiss the the prior performance due to rule changes regarding marijuana.
Gregory is our best pass rusher on D and I want him retained.
Maybe Im being selfish.
 

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I think you're right. Even if Randy gives Jerry back a few bags for supporting him, he still makes at least 15 million a year. I don't think we can afford two high priced DEs when there's 25 free agents on our team, 21 of them are playing roles on this team, about 10 of those having bigger roles. Jayron Kearse is one of them. As you know Quinn is trusting him with being his signal caller from now on. He signed for only 1.2 million, so if we keep him which I think we will if Quinn comes back, he'll get a nice raise. I have no idea about cap space and how it works but common sense tells me we will lose at least half of those FAs. Thank God we have depth this year with all those injuries, we might not see that next year unless they all want to run it back and defend their SB title. :flagwave:
so it comes down to priorities. I think we easily can have 35-50M in cap space with some restructuring and releases (ala 19M releasing Lawrence)....so who are the priority FAs. these 5 will be a bit pricey based on performance.

Gregory
Schultz
Wilson
Kearse
Neal
Hooker

the rest will get some kind of contract in the minumum to a 1.5M range.
 

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I know everyone wants him to be this generational talent that dominates for years but it is unrealistic. He is a guy having a fantastic season but so far after 5 years that is all it is. Heck even the guaranteed money of a franchise tag would scare me with this guy. I would much prefer we reward people who have been bringing it for 4 years straight. It sends a much better message to the locker room as well.
 

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I do look at the skill level, and performance, and I can easily dismiss the the prior performance due to rule changes regarding marijuana.
Gregory is our best pass rusher on D and I want him retained.
Maybe Im being selfish.
I would keep him for the rest of his life if I would pay him 1 million dollars after every game until he was no longer worth it. Would you give him 100 million for the next 5 years with 60 million guaranteed? I strongly believe we would regret it.
 

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I know everyone wants him to be this generational talent that dominates for years but it is unrealistic. He is a guy having a fantastic season but so far after 5 years that is all it is. Heck even the guaranteed money of a franchise tag would scare me with this guy. I would much prefer we reward people who have been bringing it for 4 years straight. It sends a much better message to the locker room as well.

Guess Kearse will not get re-signed either if you were GM.

:facepalm:
 

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I would keep him for the rest of his life if I would pay him 1 million dollars after every game until he was no longer worth it. Would you give him 100 million for the next 5 years with 60 million guaranteed? I strongly believe we would regret it.
You obviously have no understanding of the cap and how it works, its very complex and many variables come into play,, Im not trying to be harsh, just realistic.
If Gregory is a vital component on this defense then he will get payed, and he is proving that worth now.
You pay for production,, RG will be retained, salary TBD.
 

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As they’ve been saying ‘he’s gonna get that bag’ (filled with cash).

I agree that the Cowboys have GOT to find a way to keep him but it will be tricky. He and his agent know he’s set to get a huge payday. They also know it will be really difficult for Dallas to franchise tag him because of their cap situation. So they know they have great bargaining leverage and will use it.

In my opinion the move is to extend Gregory and to trade or release Lawrence to free up future money.

Agree and this is just me, but we only need to find $18-20M to keep him off the market. I would NOT extend until 2023. He admitted this week the contract does run cross his mind, which is expected I guess. But any player whose stats suddenly start rising in a contract year makes me nervous.
 

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Agree and this is just me, but we only need to find $18-20M to keep him off the market. I would NOT extend until 2023. He admitted this week the contract does run cross his mind, which is expected I guess. But any player whose stats suddenly start rising in a contract year makes me nervous.

I would extend now if I could and backload it. After 2022, the cap seems poised to have a huge jump and he and his agent will only ask for more money at that point so if I can get a longer term deal done, I would. Just my opinion.
 

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Not necessarily, lets be a bit patient on how Tank adds to this defensive equation, but I do hear you if it comes down to nickels and dimes.

Yep, not ripping on Tank but I've been in RG's corner as long as JJ has. I just don't think smoking pot is that big a deal. Kinda saddened me when so many guys wanted to throw him away with so few miles on those tires. So I should practice some of that patience with Tank who is an elite run stuffer, which is JUST what we need. Just don't wanna lose RG at this point....IF we franchise tag him could we keep him two more years that way? Just curious because it would make sense for both sides. He gets BIG money for two years and the team gets the protection of a short term deal.
 
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Does his career to date strike you as a guy who puts his football career first? Do you think it is a coincidence that he is "breaking out" in a contract year. As good as he has been playing and as disruptive as he has been if you are watching him closely he is 100% sack or nothing. He get cleared out on run plays and is lost upfield on screen plays. He knows that sacks = dollars and that is what he is playing for. You would have to be incredible naïve to think that this level of play will continue for 5 more years. Besides he is 29 years old already. This year is going to be the best Randy you will ever see. Do not pay him based on something that will most likely never happen again. How many times has that burned us in the past and this one is pretty plain and clear for all to see.

To be honest, this ALWAYS been a DLinemen ticket to a big payday. In fact, DLaw says Stephen flat out told him he needed to put together TWO consecutive years of double-digit sacks and he'll get his long-term deal. The bottom line, elite pass rushers are hard to find. So unless your D can manufacture sacks w/o an elite guy, you have to try and keep him. Maybe tag him TWO years and let him walk.
 

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To be honest, this ALWAYS been a DLinemen ticket to a big payday. In fact, DLaw says Stephen flat out told him he needed to put together TWO consecutive years of double-digit sacks and he'll get his long-term deal. The bottom line, elite pass rushers are hard to find. So unless your D can manufacture sacks w/o an elite guy, you have to try and keep him. Maybe tag him TWO years and let him walk.

That's my take BUT I guess there are cap ramifications to tagging him that frankly are over my head. Just have to see but I dearly wanna keep RG, Schultz and Kearse in that order. Rest of the FA's.....we'll see.
 

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I would extend now if I could and backload it. After 2022, the cap seems poised to have a huge jump and he and his agent will only ask for more money at that point so if I can get a longer term deal done, I would. Just my opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think '23 is the year we can get out Zeke.
 

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That's my take BUT I guess there are cap ramifications to tagging him that frankly are over my head. Just have to see but I dearly wanna keep RG, Schultz and Kearse in that order. Rest of the FA's.....we'll see.


Tagging him a couple of years gives you THREE years of his service at a high level W/O the risk of holding the bag when his numbers start declining via a long-term deal.
 
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