News: Randy Gregory Suspended Four Games

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This is very much true. Do you think that has nothing due to current laws not changing (federally) and only bc the company believes it really effects productivity? All the people I know who work in similar establishments just "get around it" anyway. Tbh, I know this is an uphill battle to support the kid, but feel like all the idiot and thug crap should lessen in the forum bc we knew what we were getting in the late 2nd for a reason?

I think any person who can't control their addition and it is an addiction that Gregory is dealing with then it is a problem. Business are responsible for the action of their workers. You get someone who is high on the job and someone is hurt due to their negligence and test show they did drugs that company can be sued. These business do this because they are at risk. Same with a worker who is drunk on the job if he ends up getting someone hurt not only he but the business can be held liable.
 

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The point isn't whether pot should be a banned substance. I for one don't believe it should, Again, that's not the point.

The point is, pot is a banned substance and Gregory knew it and couldn't stay away. The Narcotics Anonymous definition of "addicted" is when it caused your life top become unmanageable. Well,....?

Due to outdated laws or missing work, neglecting your family, etc.? That is why there isn't a consensus on the chicken and the egg argument with marijuana being considered a drug (it's a plant and not processed like cocoa leaves and poppy seeds to cause the euphoria sought). The only reason it is disrupting his life is bc of outdated laws/policy basically.
 

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I think any person who can't control their addition and it is an addiction that Gregory is dealing with then it is a problem. Business are responsible for the action of their workers. You get someone who is high on the job and someone is hurt due to their negligence and test show they did drugs that company can be sued. These business do this because they are at risk. Same with a worker who is drunk on the job if he ends up getting someone hurt not only he but the business can be held liable.

Who said Gregory showed up to work stoned? Only lasts a couple of hours tops. Did the NFL get sued by the dead parents when Josh Brent committed what he did? Non Profit Organization (mmmmk)
 

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Due to outdated laws or missing work, neglecting your family, etc.? That is why there isn't a consensus on the chicken and the egg argument with marijuana being considered a drug (it's a plant and not processed like cocoa leaves and poppy seeds to cause the euphoria sought). The only reason it is disrupting his life is bc of outdated laws/policy basically.

These arguments always crack me up.

I went to college with quite a few stoners back in the day. Most didn't come anywhere close to graduating, and those that managed to haven't done diddly squat since. A doctor told me that once someone becomes a regular user of marijuana, they stop maturing from an emotional and decision-making standpoint. They're basically 20 years old forever in that regard.

There's some thoughts out there that the increase in admission standards and tuition costs at universities is designed to "weed out" the weed from schools, and apparently, it's helped. Better students spending more money don't drop classes and lose focus as easily.

I'm all for legalizing it though. It's a great way to cull the herd and eliminate competition for my kids.
 

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Who said Gregory showed up to work stoned? Only lasts a couple of hours tops. Did the NFL get sued by the dead parents when Josh Brent committed what he did?

true who says he didn't? only thing they can go by is drug testing. I would think having an NFL job paying big money means a lot more to a person that getting stoned. Hell I get around 60 thousand a year and gave up smoking weed when we were told that we would be subject to testing.

As for Brent no because it did not happen in job related accident. Does not change the fact that any business has a right to protect themselves from employees actions while on the job.

Seems you are more interested in justifying why we should be able to get high while my concerns is he let down 52 other players on this team by his own selfish act. Now a player we were going to depend on will miss 4 games not because of injury but because of his own addictions.
 

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I think any person who can't control their addition and it is an addiction that Gregory is dealing with then it is a problem. Business are responsible for the action of their workers. You get someone who is high on the job and someone is hurt due to their negligence and test show they did drugs that company can be sued. These business do this because they are at risk. Same with a worker who is drunk on the job if he ends up getting someone hurt not only he but the business can be held liable.

The NFL isn't like the shipping company down the road where a guy high after smoking a bong runs over another employee with a fork lift.
 

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These arguments always crack me up.

I went to college with quite a few stoners back in the day. Most didn't come anywhere close to graduating, and those that managed to haven't done diddly squat since. A doctor told me that once someone becomes a regular user of marijuana, they stop maturing from an emotional and decision-making standpoint. They're basically 20 years old forever in that regard.

There's some thoughts out there that the increase in admission standards and tuition costs at universities is designed to "weed out" the weed from schools, and apparently, it's helped. Better students spending more money don't drop classes and lose focus as easily.

I'm all for legalizing it though. It's a great way to cull the herd and eliminate competition for my kids.

I know just as many others that were successfully; esp w/in the CPU-tech industries? Every recent politician that has been forced to answer the question (nationally) usually admit to have tried, or had past experiences, etc. There are many successful people who smoke marijuana:

SCIENTISTS HAVE FOUND THAT SMOKING WEED DOES NOT MAKE YOU STUPID AFTER ALL
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...king-weed-does-not-make-you-stupid-after-all/
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- By Christopher Ingraham January 18, 2016
countless anti-drug PSAs. In more recent years, it's a message we've heard — albeit in more nuanced form — from Republican candidates on the campaign trail and from marijuana opponents at the state-level.

The contemporary version of argument can be traced to a 2012 Duke University study, which found that persistent, heavy marijuana use through adolescence and young adulthood was associated with declines in IQ.

D.C.'s marijuana law, explained

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As of Feb. 26, 2015 marijuana was made legal in D.C.—sort of. Here are the ins and outs of the complex pot law. (Gillian Brockell/The Washington Post)
Other researchers have since criticized that study's methods. A follow-up study in the same journal found that the original research failed to account for a number of confounding factors that could also affect cognitive development, such as cigarette and alcohol use, mental illness and socioeconomic status.

Two new reports this month tackle the relationship between marijuana use and intelligence from two very different angles: One examines the life trajectories of 2,235 British teenagers between ages 8 and 16, and the other looks at the differences between American identicaltwin pairs in which one twin uses marijuana and the other does not.

Despite vastly different methods, the studies reach the same conclusion: They found no evidence that adolescent marijuana use leads to a decline in intelligence.

[These are the states that could legalize pot next]

I wrote about the study of British teenagers before, when it was still a working paper. It has been peer-reviewed and accepted for publication, and its findings still stand: After adjusting for a range of confounding factors, such as maternal health, mental health and other substance use, the researchers found that "cannabis use by the age of 15 did not predict either lower teenage IQ scores or poorer educational performance. These findings therefore suggest that cannabis use at the modest levels used by this sample of teenagers is not by itself causally related to cognitive impairment."

They did find, though, a distinct relationship between cigaretteuse and poor educational performance, which is in line with what other research has found. The researchers did not find a robust link between cigarette use and IQ.

The authors of this study stress that their results don't necessarily invalidate the findings of the 2012 Duke University paper. That paper focused on persistent heavy use over a long period of time, while this study looked only at low to moderate levels of adolescent use. "While persistent cannabis dependence may be linked to declining IQ across a person’s lifetime," the authors write, "teenage cannabis use alone does not appear to predict worse IQ outcomes in adolescents."

But the researchers in the study of American twins tackle the Duke University findings head-on. Examining the life trajectories of twin pairs in which one uses marijuana while the other doesn't, they found that those who used marijuana didn't experience consistently greater cognitive deficits than the others.

Identicaltwin comparisons are a powerful tool for this kind of analysis, because their genetic makeup is nearly identical and their early home environment is consistent. This automatically controls for a lot of the confounding factors that can make sussing out causality difficult.

The twin data "fails to support the implication by Meier et. al. [the authors of the Duke study] that marijuana exposure in adolescence causes neurocognitive decline," the study concludes. The numbers suggest, on the contrary, that "children who are predisposed to intellectual stagnation in middle school are on a trajectory for future marijuana use." In other words, rather than marijuana making kids less intelligent, it may be that kids who are not as smart or who perform poorly in school are more inclined to try marijuana at some point in their lives.

Also, if marijuana use were responsible for cognitive decline, you might expect to find that the more marijuana a person smokes, the less intelligent they become. But this paper found that heavier marijuana use was not associated with greater decreases in IQ.

None of this is to say, though, that you can smoke all the weed you want and not have to worry about negative outcomes. There are any number of negative physical and mental health outcomes linked to marijuana use — especially heavy use. Some research suggests that heavy marijuana use may increase the risk of psychosis or suicide. These risks are further compounded among people who start using marijuana early in their lives. And people who use heavily or start at an early age are at a high risk for cannabis-use disorder, a form of drug dependency.

Marijuana is a drug. And just like any other drug — alcohol, nicotine, caffeine — there are risks and benefits associated with use. But exaggerating the extent of those risks and benefits won't help create smarter policies. For proof of this, simply review the history of the drug war."
 
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The NFL isn't like the shipping company down the road where a guy high after smoking a bong runs over another employee with a fork lift.

No it is not but it is still a business with every right to test players for drug use, it is their game and their rules and it is not that damn hard to understand it. You want to play in the NFL with a chance to make big money? All you have to do is follow some simple rules.
Hell they get chance after chance in the real world many of us do not get multiple chances, you fail a test where I work you are gone period not 2nd or 3rd or 4th chances but then I live in the real world
 

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I didn't sidestep alcohol. If a player is an alcoholic it can derail his career just as easily as drugs. But the reality is that one legal within the norm and the other is not. Weed proponents point to alcohol at as comparison and make silly statements like one is addictive while the other (weed) is not. Randy Gregory has an weed problem. It's not a stretch to assume he's addicted to the drug at this point since he can't stay clean with millions of dollars hanging in the balance. That's not normal.

Using anxiety to excuse his behavior is an insult to those folks who have anxiety and try to cope with it with medical treatment and carry on with their daily routines (work, family, etc.). Randy Gregory has more medical resources to help him cope with any health issues than most average Americans and he still can't stay off the drug. It has nothing to do with immaturity.

So maybe not such an easy dismissal on Medical Marijuana helping with Anxiety.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ing-pot-doesnt-make-you-anxious-or-depressed/
Study: Smoking pot doesn’t make you anxious or depressed

Christopher Ingraham February 17, 2016
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New research published today in the journal of JAMA Psychiatry found found that using marijuana as an adult is not associated with a variety of mood and anxiety disorders, including depression and bipolar disorder.

This is a challenge to some previous research which has shown that marijuana use is associated with depression and anxiety.

The researchers examined the records of nearly 35,000 U.S. adults who participated in the National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions. They examined the prevalence of marijuana use among the study participants in 2001 and 2002, then checked on the participants' rates of mental-health problems three years later in 2004 and 2005.

After controlling for a variety of confounding factors, such as socio-demographic characteristics, family history and environment, and past and present psychiatric disorders, the study found that "cannabis use was not associated with increased risk for developing mood or anxiety disorders."

Don't break out the celebratory blunt just yet, though. The study did find an association between marijuana use and later substance-use disorders, such as abuse of and dependence on alcohol, tobacco, marijuana and other drugs. But this isn't necessarily surprising: It's fairly obvious that if you use a substance, you're putting yourself at risk of a substance-use disorder.

People who use one drug often use others — think of the classic beer-and-cigarette combo. This is as true of marijuana as it is of, say, alcohol. "The findings concerning cannabis raise the question of whether alcohol use also contributes to the risk of subsequent substance use disorders," lead author Mark Olfson of Columbia University said in an email. But that issue is beyond the scope of the current study, he added.

The findings on mental health are more interesting, given the conflicting picture portrayed by previous research. But Olfson and his colleagues think some prior evidence of links between marijuana and psychiatric disorders could be due more to confounding factors than anything else.


Olfson's research is "a strike against the hypothesis that cannabis uses causes mood and anxiety disorders," said Keith Humphreys, an addiction and mental-health specialist at Stanford University, in an email. He notes, however, that the new study does not address a previously observed linkbetween heavy marijuana use and schizophrenia. But, he added, the causality of that connection is far from clear. "I don't know if we will ever know because it's just hard to predict rare events, and schizophrenia is rare," he said.

The new study adds to prior research discrediting the connection between marijuana and common mental-health disorders. And it's important, because much of the federal government's current literature on marijuana includes claims about links between marijuana and depression that are inaccurate in light of the latest findings.

For instance, the Drug Enforcement Administration makes these claims in its official fact sheet on marijuana. And in its 2014 publication, "The Dangers and Consequences of Marijuana Abuse," the DEA mentions "depression" no fewer than 14 times, claiming that pot is linked to depression among teens, adults and even dogs.

Given that these documents are used to inform policy at the federal level and below, it is crucial that they reflect the best, most accurate research. This is especially true given the rapidly changing marijuana-policy landscape today.



Christopher Ingraham writes about politics, drug policy and all things data. He previously worked at the Brookings Institution and the Pew Research Center.
 
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Haven't sifted through the pages and pages in this thread but there was an interesting HBO Real Sports about pot use in the NFL and while recreational for some, others are and have been using it for pain management instead of prescribed painkillers. There was even some discussion with a renowned doctor in Italy, I believe, who has found marijuana might be able to help with the effects of CTE.
 

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No it is not but it is still a business with every right to test players for drug use, it is their game and their rules and it is not that damn hard to understand it. You want to play in the NFL with a chance to make big money? All you have to do is follow some simple rules.
Hell they get chance after chance in the real world many of us do not get multiple chances, you fail a test where I work you are gone period not 2nd or 3rd or 4th chances but then I live in the real world

I am totally OK with testing them, suspending them, etc.

But I think when people try to equate pro football with your random every day job and want to talk about safety and injuries and liability it's a totally failed analogy.
 

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I will end with saying I hope that Gregory wakes up and smokes responsibly in the future (or not at all) if the policy changes (acknowledge the uphill battle involved) and gets whatever help he needs to realize his full potential on and off the field.
 
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I am totally OK with testing them, suspending them, etc.

But I think when people try to equate pro football with your random every day job and want to talk about safety and injuries and liability it's a totally failed analogy.

It is not like an every day job, it is a fricken gravy train, it is a dream come true and all they ask is you stay clean, really not that hard to do and on top of that you get several chances to show you are not a real screw up. One thing for sure he is letting teammates down and I know if I was one of his teammates I would be pretty PO'ed right now about this.
 

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I will end with saying I hope that Gregory wakes up and smokes responsibly in the future if the policy changes (acknowledge the uphill battle involved) and gets whatever help he needs to realize his full potential on and off the field.

I hope puts it down all together, NFL career is over pretty quickly and he will have all the time to sit around getting stoned after it is over with. It can't be that damn important where you put getting stoned over a career? If it is you got a real problem
You may not think weed is a big deal and to an extent your right but any substance that control you is a problem and evidently it does control him to the point he is willing to risk his career over it?
 

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.500 is dropping off the edge?

It is if you have been a fan as long as I have been.

Not winning a world title in 20 years is a big drop from having won 5 in the first 30.

And the whole thing about the Stadium has just been a bunch of hollow dreams.

It has never provided an advantage to the team and its n othing more than an expansion and diversification for the owner to profit on a Trademark he never built.

As a life long fan..I feel Jerrah Jones has taken away the very reason why so many loved the team.

His mismanagement has lead to us being a joke and a cliche'.

We used to be known as Next Years Champions.

The title fits us again.
 

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I hope Defensive Tackle coach Leon Lett sits down with Gregory and talks with him. Leon should know more than anyone how much of an impact Weed had on his career. I honestly believe Lett could have been a HOF'er had he been able to stay clean. Yet time after time Lett missed games due to suspensions
 

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The point isn't whether pot should be a banned substance. I for one don't believe it should, Again, that's not the point.

The point is, pot is a banned substance and Gregory knew it and couldn't stay away. The Narcotics Anonymous definition of "addicted" is when it caused your life top become unmanageable. Well,....?

why should it be banned when worse things are not?

his life is only unmanageable because of this stupid rule. if this stupid rule weren't in place, he'd be managing his life just fine.

it's the same thing for students: if you get a weed charge, they yank student aid for school. this helps nothing, and in reality only makes a potential problem much, much, much worse. if i were caught with weed while in college, I would've lost my student aid and wouldn't have finished school. since i wasn't caught with it, I smoked it, did well, got my degree, got my CPA.

but they would've screwed me - for no reason - had I been caught. Smoking it obviously wasn't ruining my life - but being caught with it would have. Does that honestly make sense to you?
 

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why should it be banned when worse things are not?

his life is only unmanageable because of this stupid rule. if this stupid rule weren't in place, he'd be managing his life just fine.

it's the same thing for students: if you get a weed charge, they yank student aid for school. this helps nothing, and in reality only makes a potential problem much, much, much worse. if i were caught with weed while in college, I would've lost my student aid and wouldn't have finished school. since i wasn't caught with it, I smoked it, did well, got my degree, got my CPA.

but they would've screwed me - for no reason - had I been caught. Smoking it obviously wasn't ruining my life - but being caught with it would have. Does that honestly make sense to you?

what is more important weed or your own career? Life is not fair get use to it
 
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