Randy Gregory to Apply for Reinstatement

[stilltheguru88]

Not counting on him at all. If we get anything it’s a bonus. That said, if he can come back and be the player he was, this DL can be really, really good

What was he?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

What was he?

Defensive End, I think.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Defensive End, I think.

Lol not a good one

 

[Aviano90]

He didn't apply before because he wanted to show he could stay clean for a while. That is common knowledge. It was documented and discussed at length in here last year. You can go back and look through the threads if you want. It was said then that Gregory wasn't expected to apply for reinstatement until this spring.

Yes I know they his lawyer said he intends to come back and will wait until this year. However, the reasoning for that was NOT provided. Nowhere have I seen a reason given from his side as to why he was waiting.

I hope I don’t get killed for sharing this information like I have for sharing TMZ reported he failed a test, but here goes...it was reported yesterday he is prepared to file paperwork showing he hasn’t failed a test since July 2016.

It was also suggested yesterday that the reason he may be waitIng is because if he gets denied, he has to wait 6 months to reapply and there is no timeframe for when a decision would need to be made if he has to reapply.

If he has been clean since July 2016, I am not sure what his camp thinks is going to give him a better shot of of getting resinstated by being clean 19 months in January 2018, and 22 months in April 2018, so much so that now he won’t be able to participate in the off season program and his status will be unknown for the draft. If there is so much of an advantage to being clean 22 months than 19 months, why not wait until 25 months or 28 months?

Gregory has missed 2 years. He needed to be working with the team and can’t because he still hasn’t even filed for resinstatement. Now, hopefully he can be reinstated to at least make training camp. OTA’s are out the window because Goodell has 60 days to make his decision. Not good for a player that sorely needs those OTAs after missing so much time.

I will still maintain *something* is holding him back and needing to prove he has been “clean” for 22 months instead of 19 doesn’t pass the BS test for me and wouldn’t be an acceptable reason to miss OTAs if I am the Cowboys front office. Perhaps Gregory hasn’t failed a test since July 2016 because he hasn’t been getting tested and he is waiting because he is now getting tested and wants to show a pattern of passed tests?

Now, time to get killed for throwing that hypothetical out there.

 

[gjkoeppen]

whether it's illegal in certain states should have no bearing on whether the NFL tests for it. If players in states where it's illegal want to risk it, that's a whole different ball of wax they'd have to deal with. As it should be.

Oh so you're saying the NFL which has the personal conduct clause and has suspended players who have not even been convicted of criminal offenses should now just say that they will do nothing to players who violate laws in states that weed is still illegal in which is the majority of states that have NFL teams. Just how does the NFL then enforce the personal conduct policy if it knowing and willfully allow players to violate state laws with no consequences. Drinking is legal but if players get DUI's they get suspended under the personal conduct policy because THEY BROKE THE LAW.
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[Stash]

Yes I know they his lawyer said he intends to come back and will wait until this year. However, the reasoning for that was NOT provided. Nowhere have I seen a reason given from his side as to why he was waiting.

I hope I don’t get killed for sharing this information like I have for sharing TMZ reported he failed a test, but here goes...it was reported yesterday he is prepared to file paperwork showing he hasn’t failed a test since July 2016.

It was also suggested yesterday that the reason he may be waitIng is because if he gets denied, he has to wait 6 months to reapply and there is no timeframe for when a decision would need to be made if he has to reapply.

If he has been clean since July 2016, I am not sure what his camp thinks is going to give him a better shot of of getting resinstated by being clean 19 months in January 2018, and 22 months in April 2018, so much so that now he won’t be able to participate in the off season program and his status will be unknown for the draft. If there is so much of an advantage to being clean 22 months than 19 months, why not wait until 25 months or 28 months?

Gregory has missed 2 years. He needed to be working with the team and can’t because he still hasn’t even filed for resinstatement. Now, hopefully he can be reinstated to at least make training camp. OTA’s are out the window because Goodell has 60 days to make his decision. Not good for a player that sorely needs those OTAs after missing so much time.

I will still maintain *something* is holding him back and needing to prove he has been “clean” for 22 months instead of 19 doesn’t pass the BS test for me and wouldn’t be an acceptable reason to miss OTAs if I am the Cowboys front office. Perhaps Gregory hasn’t failed a test since July 2016 because he hasn’t been getting tested and he is waiting because he is now getting tested and wants to show a pattern of passed tests?

Now, time to get killed for throwing that hypothetical out there.

I'm not looking to "kill" you, but it doesn't make sense that the league doesn't continue to test someone trying to return from repeated drug suspensions.

Wouldn't you think that passing multiple tests would be part of the protocol for returning from that suspension?

 

[Proof]

Oh so you're saying the NFL which has the personal conduct clause and has suspended players who have not even been convicted of criminal offenses should now just say that they will do nothing to players who violate laws in states that weed is still illegal in which is the majority of states that have NFL teams. Just how does the NFL then enforce the personal conduct policy if it knowing and willfully allow players to violate state laws with no consequences. Drinking is legal but if players get DUI's they get suspended under the personal conduct policy because THEY BROKE THE LAW.
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What are you babbling about? No one has said they shouldn’t be punished if caught / arrested. They just don’t need need to also go looking for it. It being illegal in some states (or federally) just doesn’t necessitate them testing. Of course they should punish if they get in trouble with the law as they do with any other situation

Lol “willfully allowing players to violate state laws with no consequence”. Someone may need to test you.

 

[gjkoeppen]

What are you babbling about? No one has said they shouldn’t be punished if caught / arrested. They just don’t need need to also go looking for it. It being illegal in some states (or federally) just doesn’t necessitate them testing. Of course they should punish if they get in trouble with the law as they do with any other situation

Oh a different babble than you. First lets get something straight, of the states that have made weed legal the reason for it wasn't that all of a sudden they liked weed. It was because of over crowded jails and the cost involved they no longer wanted a large chunk of money paying for people caught with weed. Second, people can drink all they want anywhere and not be arrested. They can drink right in front of a cop at a ball game and nothing. It only becomes illegal if they drive after drinking to much. The NFL suspends players under the personal conduct policy for DWI's because they broke the law. Now how does the league suspend players that have gotten DWI's if they openly allow players in states where weed is still illegal to go ahead and brake the law by not testing? Here's another thing. In states where weed is legal employers still have the right to test and either not employ them because of the pre-employement test or discipline an employee including firing them who fails a random test because they still have the right to say weed will not be used or their employees will not be under the influence of weed while at work. The NFL is no different than other employers and the way to help insure that players aren't coming to work under the influence is the random test for it. Drug tests that are known to happen sometime in the future are easy to beat by using synthetic urine or clean urine but not so easy where they are random.
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[Aviano90]

I'm not looking to "kill" you, but it doesn't make sense that the league doesn't continue to test someone trying to return from repeated drug suspensions.

Wouldn't you think that passing multiple tests would be part of the protocol for returning from that suspension?

From what I underatand they still have treatment plans. But, what if Greogry blew his plan off for 6 months? He may not have been failing tests but he may not have been passing tests either.

Just doesn’t make sense to me he wouldn’t have tried to be reinstated before the draft and before OTAs when he has missed 2 years, for the sole purpose of showing Goodell he has been clean for 22 months instead of 19 months. It’s not like he is trying to show the difference between 2 months and 5 months where the additional 3 months would have much more of an impact.

 

[DHCBF66]

i doubt he stops weed

He has stopped for well over a year sooooooo.

 

[HungryLion]

Oh a different babble than you. First lets get something straight, of the states that have made weed legal the reason for it wasn't that all of a sudden they liked weed. It was because of over crowded jails and the cost involved they no longer wanted a large chunk of money paying for people caught with weed. Second, people can drink all they want anywhere and not be arrested. They can drink right in front of a cop at a ball game and nothing. It only becomes illegal if they drive after drinking to much. The NFL suspends players under the personal conduct policy for DWI's because they broke the law. Now how does the league suspend players that have gotten DWI's if they openly allow players in states where weed is still illegal to go ahead and brake the law by not testing? Here's another thing. In states where weed is legal employers still have the right to test and either not employ them because of the pre-employement test or discipline an employee including firing them who fails a random test because they still have the right to say weed will not be used or their employees will not be under the influence of weed while at work. The NFL is no different than other employers and the way to help insure that players aren't coming to work under the influence is the random test for it. Drug tests that are known to happen sometime in the future are easy to beat by using synthetic urine or clean urine but not so easy where they are random.
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Not testing for weed isn’t “allowing” players to break the law. That’s a flawed argument. It’s not the NFL’s job to enforce a states laws.

They absolutely have the right to test players for weed. But not testing, wouldn’t be them “allowing” anything. If they still disciplined players who are arrested or convicted for the crime. But it’s not the NFL’s job to arrest or convict them and it never will be.

 

[Stash]

From what I underatand they still have treatment plans. But, what if Greogry blew his plan off for 6 months? He may not have been failing tests but he may not have been passing tests either.

As far as I know, missed test equals failed test. No exceptions.

Just doesn’t make sense to me he wouldn’t have tried to be reinstated before the draft and before OTAs when he has missed 2 years, for the sole purpose of showing Goodell he has been clean for 22 months instead of 19 months. It’s not like he is trying to show the difference between 2 months and 5 months where the additional 3 months would have much more of an impact.

I'm not thrilled with the timing as I'd hope that he'd be available for the offseason stuff now, as well as like you mentioned, knowing before the draft. But more importantly, I'm choosing to focus on him getting things together and coming back at all, rather than nitpicking over the timing.

 

[Aviano90]

As far as I know, missed test equals failed test. No exceptions.



I'm not thrilled with the timing as I'd hope that he'd be available for the offseason stuff now, as well as like you mentioned, knowing before the draft. But more importantly, I'm choosing to focus on him getting things together and coming back at all, rather than nitpicking over the timing.

Well, I am getting to point of not caring. Just discussing Gregory seems to cause more strife than the dude is worth. Cowboys can cut ties with him and I’d be good now. Was hoping he would come back but not sure anymore.

 

[Proof]

Oh a different babble than you. First lets get something straight, of the states that have made weed legal the reason for it wasn't that all of a sudden they liked weed. It was because of over crowded jails and the cost involved they no longer wanted a large chunk of money paying for people caught with weed. Second, people can drink all they want anywhere and not be arrested. They can drink right in front of a cop at a ball game and nothing. It only becomes illegal if they drive after drinking to much. The NFL suspends players under the personal conduct policy for DWI's because they broke the law. Now how does the league suspend players that have gotten DWI's if they openly allow players in states where weed is still illegal to go ahead and brake the law by not testing? Here's another thing. In states where weed is legal employers still have the right to test and either not employ them because of the pre-employement test or discipline an employee including firing them who fails a random test because they still have the right to say weed will not be used or their employees will not be under the influence of weed while at work. The NFL is no different than other employers and the way to help insure that players aren't coming to work under the influence is the random test for it. Drug tests that are known to happen sometime in the future are easy to beat by using synthetic urine or clean urine but not so easy where they are random.
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You have a very weird way of parsing nothing from something.
Not testing isn’t the same as condoning. In your weird, tangential argument about DWI’s, should the NFL install breathalyzers in players cars?

Should they administer lie detector tests to see if they can catch players who have been with prostitutes?

Just to be clear I’ve never said they CANT drug test. I personally don’t think they should, but that’s not the point. I said the legality shouldn’t be the directive. You keep citing the personal conduct policy for some odd reason, and again they can still enforce that if/when a player is caught breaking the law.


Your thoughts on why states have legalized or decriminalized weed is actually one of the reasons the NFL should move away from testing (imo) the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. They’re only hurting themselves and their product by suspending / banning players.

 

[Stash]

Well, I am getting to point of not caring. Just discussing Gregory seems to cause more strife than the dude is worth. Cowboys can cut ties with him and I’d be good now. Was hoping he would come back but not sure anymore.

I appreciate your honesty and can't fault someone if they feel that way. And I won't try to change your mind.

I choose to look at the positives of it rather than writing someone off in life.

 

[Aviano90]

I appreciate your honesty and can't fault someone if they feel that way. And I won't try to change your mind.

I choose to look at the positives of it rather than writing someone off in life.

I wish him well in life, but my interest in him is how he can help the Cowboys. Missing OTAs is not good, IMO. Hopefully he can come back for training camp,
but if not, the Cowboys need to cut ties with him .

 

[gjkoeppen]

Not testing for weed isn’t “allowing” players to break the law. That’s a flawed argument. It’s not the NFL’s job to enforce a states laws.

They absolutely have the right to test players for weed. But not testing, wouldn’t be them “allowing” anything. If they still disciplined players who are arrested or convicted for the crime. But it’s not the NFL’s job to arrest or convict them and it never will be.

Here's the part you either didn't read or didn't understand. Employers, which the NFL is for players, have the right to test either on a schedule basis or random testing to help insure and prevent their employees aren't using weed on the job or the affects of weed while on the job. I have a test coming up in the next month or so and even though my company calls them random they're really not random but on a somewhat timed basis.

No the NFL is not law enforcement but the NFL have the right to test to as a means to help prevent players from using just like any other employer.
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[gjkoeppen]

You have a very weird way of parsing nothing from something.
Not testing isn’t the same as condoning. In your weird, tangential argument about DWI’s, should the NFL install breathalyzers in players cars?

Should they administer lie detector tests to see if they can catch players who have been with prostitutes?

Just to be clear I’ve never said they CANT drug test. I personally don’t think they should, but that’s not the point. I said the legality shouldn’t be the directive. You keep citing the personal conduct policy for some odd reason, and again they can still enforce that if/when a player is caught breaking the law.


Your thoughts on why states have legalized or decriminalized weed is actually one of the reasons the NFL should move away from testing (imo) the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. They’re only hurting themselves and their product by suspending / banning players.

So any other employer can have tests but not the NFL who employs the players. Again drinking in and of itself is not against the law, if of legal age to drink, but weed in most states is against the law. That's the huge difference. The NFL would be hypocrites if they suspend players for DWI's but then say they weren't going to test for a substance that is illegal in most states. Whether a player is caught and arrested or not it's still illegal and for the NFL to say they don't care anymore if their players are breaking the law makes them look foolish when they do suspend a player for DWI.
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[DiResta]

man could they use some help this year
now would be a good time to figure out if he wants to be a football player or not
ill hope for the best but definitely not counting on him

 

[Proof]

So any other employer can have tests but not the NFL who employs the players. Again drinking in and of itself is not against the law, if of legal age to drink, but weed in most states is against the law. That's the huge difference. The NFL would be hypocrites if they suspend players for DWI's but then say they weren't going to test for a substance that is illegal in most states. Whether a player is caught and arrested or not it's still illegal and for the NFL to say they don't care anymore if their players are breaking the law makes them look foolish when they do suspend a player for DWI.
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Again, I didn’t say they can’t. I said they don’t have too. You keep talking about other employers but that’s only valid if every company did it across the board, they don’t. It’s up to their discretion. The NFL has every right to, they just don’t have to. As no company has to outside of government agencies and the respective companies they contract.

And no there would be no hipocrisy, because same as if a player got popped for a DWI, if they got in trouble with the law for smoking or possession the league would still punish them.

A more accurate comparison involving alcohol would be do you think that the NFL should test players under 21 for alcohol consumption?