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[Risen Star]

Something has to change. I'm hoping the addition of Vital shakes things up.

Take a look at the Commanders draft class last year compared to ours. It's glaringly one sided and it might have to do with real GMing going on. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Risen Star]

So am I the only one to notice we brought in two players today with the names Jones and Looney?

Is there a player with the last name "Is" we can squeeze in by any chance?

 

[chicago JK]

So am I the only to notice we brought in two players today with the names Jones and Looney?

Is there a player with the last name "Is" we can squeeze in by any chance?

could be a sign given by McClay. We should really be trying to read the tea leaves here.

 

[JPostSam]

2015 - Jones appears to be a contributor. Gregory has done nothing. It's embarrassing to even mention Swaim. He's a roster filler. The biggest contributor of the class other than Jones has been Wilson and that is merely on special teams. That class looks awful right now.

2014 - Martin and Lawrence. Nothing after. Just a mediocre backup LB in a 4th round mega reach. Devin Street has been non existent here.

2013 - Frederick. Williams is okay but nobody really wants him to return. Decent pick. Wilcox is probably one of the most criticized players we have here. People can't wait to upgrade. Nothing else in the class.

2012 - Horrific all around. Wasted a 1st and 2nd on a bum. Crawford has been okay. When you have to mention guys like Wilber and Hanna as contributors you're really getting desperate. These guys are roster fillers at the bottom of your depth chart.

I fail to see any draft improvement. In fact, I'd say the Cowboys are one of the worst drafting teams in the league when we get to day 3. They have shown no ability to unearth those gems that are there in every draft.

i'd say you're mostly right... i scratch my head at most of the picks that they make... but considering the picks they made a decade ago, i'd say they've gone from terrible at drafting to average. i'm optimistic that they'll keep getting better.

i'm also pleased that they've gone away from the galloway and roy williams (wr) trades.

in general, i think there are fewer really bad mistakes now. i think their misses now are less severe, and their hits are solid. dez and the o-linemen were very, very big picks.

what's left to do is to make hay on day 2 and day 3 of the draft.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The illusion of draft improvement comes from hitting on the OL selections the last few years, plus Bryant.

And all in the first round.

The rest are roster fillers and depth, but you need more than that.

We have yet to have a single draft come close to 2005.

In fact, you could lump several together and still not match the firepower.

Do that and I will say McClay and company are making a difference.

Hanna Crawford Lee Twill Hitchens Scandick, Free Wilber Dlaw

 

[jobberone]

i'd say you're mostly right... i scratch my head at most of the picks that they make... but considering the picks they made a decade ago, i'd say they've gone from terrible at drafting to average. i'm optimistic that they'll keep getting better.

i'm also pleased that they've gone away from the galloway and roy williams (wr) trades.

in general, i think there are fewer really bad mistakes now. i think their misses now are less severe, and their hits are solid. dez and the o-linemen were very, very big picks.

what's left to do is to make hay on day 2 and day 3 of the draft.

I think our talent acquisition is a bit more solid than this but we need to improve. This we agree on.

 

[Idgit]

If we're going to have this debate over and over again about the Cowboys recent drafting, can we please, please, please, define the basis of what we consider to be good drafting? How will we measure it? Drafted players on the roster? Players who play? Total snaps from draft picks? Total probowls from draft picks? Team wins?

Because every conversation we've got on the topic stops and starts with a list of drafted players and one side pointing out the contributions, and the other side saying most of those players contribute nothing. It's beyond stupid to find yourself in a debate as to whether or not players like Cole Beasley or Tryone Crawford can actually play.

Oh, and that reminds me of another thing: do we count the players we bring in from the rookie classes who were part of the scouting effort but who weren't picks? Or do we pretend they are something separate entirely and nobody really knows where they came from and why they're here? Because if the scouts don't get credit for the Beasley's of the world, we need to find out who does so we can also argue about whether or not those people are any good at their jobs.

 

[DAL1180]

Jeffcoat wasn't a JAG.

Jeffcoat definitely was not a JAG. The others........

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

So am I the only one to notice we brought in two players today with the names Jones and Looney?

Is there a player with the last name "Is" we can squeeze in by any chance?

Looney Jones should suffice. Speaking of quick twitch Ogbah ware in a trade down and over Bosa the clown.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

If we're going to have this debate over and over again about the Cowboys recent drafting, can we please, please, please, define the basis of what we consider to be good drafting? How will we measure it? Drafted players on the roster? Players who play? Total snaps from draft picks? Total prowls from draft picks? Team wins?

Because every conversation we've got on the topic stops and starts with a list of drafted players and one side pointing out the contributions, and the other side saying most of those players contribute nothing. It's beyond stupid to find yourself in a debate as to whether or not players like Cole Beasley or Tryone Crawford can actually play.

Oh, and that reminds me of another thing: do we count the players we bring in from the rookie classes who were part of the scouting effort but who weren't picks? Or do we pretend they are something separate entirely and nobody really knows where they came from and why they're here? Because if the scouts don't get credit for the Beasley's of the world, we need to find out who does so we can also argue about whether or not those people are any good at their jobs.

Agreed.

Many label a draft "Good" or "Bad" on virtually nothing except their own perception, which many of us know is a pretty faulty mechanism due to our own biases and most often a total disregard for investigation of the facts.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So am I the only one to notice we brought in two players today with the names Jones and Looney?

I highly doubt it.

 

[speedkilz88]

If we're going to have this debate over and over again about the Cowboys recent drafting, can we please, please, please, define the basis of what we consider to be good drafting? How will we measure it? Drafted players on the roster? Players who play? Total snaps from draft picks? Total prowls from draft picks? Team wins?

Because every conversation we've got on the topic stops and starts with a list of drafted players and one side pointing out the contributions, and the other side saying most of those players contribute nothing. It's beyond stupid to find yourself in a debate as to whether or not players like Cole Beasley or Tryone Crawford can actually play.

Oh, and that reminds me of another thing: do we count the players we bring in from the rookie classes who were part of the scouting effort but who weren't picks? Or do we pretend they are something separate entirely and nobody really knows where they came from and why they're here? Because if the scouts don't get credit for the Beasley's of the world, we need to find out who does so we can also argue about whether or not those people are any good at their jobs.

Yeah, I also saw last years Commanders draft mentioned. Didn't exactly blow me over and they did what the Cowboys have done in the first, take an OL. Cowboys might have even bested that with the La'el Collins udfa grand larceny.

A Cowboys after the draft move that might pay dividends is poaching the Browns 4th rnd pick WR Vince Mayle.

 

[Carson]

Did he get his complementary steak dinner, now destined to sign with another team tomorrow?

 

[Risen Star]

Columnist Rick Gosselin recently held a chat to talk all things D-FW sports. Here are some highlights:

Question: How have the Cowboys done in the later rounds of the past few drafts in your opinion? I can't really pick out any good finds that they've snatched up. Dwayne Harris would get my vote for best pick but he's gone...

Gosselin: Past few? Try the past several drafts. This is where the Cowboys have fumbled the ball. When this franchise was competing for Super Bowls, Jimmy Johnson was finding gems in the later rounds -- a Leon Lett and a Brock Marion in the seventh, a Ron Stone in the fourth, Larry Brown in the 12th -- starter caliber players, in many cases Pro Bowl caliber players. But those contributing players from the later rounds have been absent for too long, which is why this team has been struggling. Every NFL team can have a good draft in the first three rounds of the draft, the premium rounds. Those players are by and large known commodities. But it's how well you fare in rounds four through seven that can make a good draft great.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...vs-stars-questions-11-monday-march-28-ask-now

 

[Risen Star]

Agreed.

Many label a draft "Good" or "Bad" on virtually nothing except their own perception, which many of us know is a pretty faulty mechanism due to our own biases and most often a total disregard for investigation of the facts.

I base it on this thing called reality. You pretty much have to be delusional to think this team drafts well.

 

[jobberone]

Columnist Rick Gosselin recently held a chat to talk all things D-FW sports. Here are some highlights:

Question: How have the Cowboys done in the later rounds of the past few drafts in your opinion? I can't really pick out any good finds that they've snatched up. Dwayne Harris would get my vote for best pick but he's gone...

Gosselin: Past few? Try the past several drafts. This is where the Cowboys have fumbled the ball. When this franchise was competing for Super Bowls, Jimmy Johnson was finding gems in the later rounds -- a Leon Lett and a Brock Marion in the seventh, a Ron Stone in the fourth, Larry Brown in the 12th -- starter caliber players, in many cases Pro Bowl caliber players. But those contributing players from the later rounds have been absent for too long, which is why this team has been struggling. Every NFL team can have a good draft in the first three rounds of the draft, the premium rounds. Those players are by and large known commodities. But it's how well you fare in rounds four through seven that can make a good draft great.

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...vs-stars-questions-11-monday-march-28-ask-now

What the heck are you talking about?

If you can't name the UDFA's and lower round picks that have started, contributed well, and at times made the Pro Bowl then you are just passing hot air.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you can't name the UDFA's and lower round picks that have started, contributed well, and at times made the Pro Bowl then you are just passing hot air.

 

[Idgit]

Agreed.

Many label a draft "Good" or "Bad" on virtually nothing except their own perception, which many of us know is a pretty faulty mechanism due to our own biases and most often a total disregard for investigation of the facts.

Or, we can just use that thing called "reality." Since we all agree what that is all the time.

Of course the very best teams pull starters from the bottom rounds. Let's do more of that, then. That's the hallmark of the very best teams. It's what got Seattle to its Superbowls. But saying we haven't been great at maybe the very hardest thing to do in football is not the same thing as saying this team doesn't draft well.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If we're going to have this debate over and over again about the Cowboys recent drafting, can we please, please, please, define the basis of what we consider to be good drafting? How will we measure it? Drafted players on the roster? Players who play? Total snaps from draft picks? Total probowls from draft picks? Team wins?

Because every conversation we've got on the topic stops and starts with a list of drafted players and one side pointing out the contributions, and the other side saying most of those players contribute nothing. It's beyond stupid to find yourself in a debate as to whether or not players like Cole Beasley or Tryone Crawford can actually play.

Oh, and that reminds me of another thing: do we count the players we bring in from the rookie classes who were part of the scouting effort but who weren't picks? Or do we pretend they are something separate entirely and nobody really knows where they came from and why they're here? Because if the scouts don't get credit for the Beasley's of the world, we need to find out who does so we can also argue about whether or not those people are any good at their jobs.

Pretty much this.

I always laugh when people say things like if we didn't walk away with 3 above average starters and quality depth then the draft was a bust!

And why exactly do people discount how well the Cowboys draft in the early rounds? We know that by generally accepted standards something like 50% of 1st rounders "bust." And that number obviously increases as the draft goes on.

Doing the common thing uncommonly well is just as important (maybe moreso given the financial commitments to earlier draft picks) as doing the incredibly difficult better than most (drafting well in the late rounds).

 

[Idgit]

What the heck are you talking about?

If you can't name the UDFA's and lower round picks that have started, contributed well, and at times made the Pro Bowl then you are just passing hot air.

Gosselin's done nothing more than stagger around making farting noises since he gave up the only thing he was good at in the first place. He can barely string together a rational thought. On top of that, he's got a face that screams "punch me harder."

He's a giant, annoying Yutz.