Twitter: Rapoport: The Cowboys are still looking for edge help, hosting former Lions DE Jason Jones

[CCBoy]

Contributors to what? Drafting contributors to consistently underachieving and disappointing teams doesn't mean you are drafting well. The recent 1st round OL picks are the only thing that really stand out to me.

Really?

 

[windward]

Depending on the years such stalwarts as Jim Jeffcoat, Jimmie Jones( both at DE and DT) Tony Hill( no not the WR) and a host of other JAGS.

Jeffcoat wasn't a JAG.

 

[Risen Star]

Agree wholeheartedly with the first point. I disagree about not drafting better though.

2015 Jones, Gregory, and Swaim appear to be contributors. Green, Wilson, Russell and Nz** are TBD which is fine for now.
2014 Martin, Lawrence, Hitchens and Street all contribute.
2013 Fred, Escobar, Williams, Wilcox all contribute. Randle arrested himself off the team and Holloman was a player.
2012 Claiborne, Crawford, Wilbur and Hanna contribute.

Three or four a year is all you want to see otherwise your prior drafts and other acquisitions were poor and/or unlucky. We could stand to do better later in the draft but we make up for it IMO with UDFAs. We could hit on a few more playmakers and take fewer risks IMO. Overall we are doing fairly well.

2015 - Jones appears to be a contributor. Gregory has done nothing. It's embarrassing to even mention Swaim. He's a roster filler. The biggest contributor of the class other than Jones has been Wilson and that is merely on special teams. That class looks awful right now.

2014 - Martin and Lawrence. Nothing after. Just a mediocre backup LB in a 4th round mega reach. Devin Street has been non existent here.

2013 - Frederick. Williams is okay but nobody really wants him to return. Decent pick. Wilcox is probably one of the most criticized players we have here. People can't wait to upgrade. Nothing else in the class.

2012 - Horrific all around. Wasted a 1st and 2nd on a bum. Crawford has been okay. When you have to mention guys like Wilber and Hanna as contributors you're really getting desperate. These guys are roster fillers at the bottom of your depth chart.

I fail to see any draft improvement. In fact, I'd say the Cowboys are one of the worst drafting teams in the league when we get to day 3. They have shown no ability to unearth those gems that are there in every draft.

 

[Risen Star]

And since this happens every year, I expect to also get nothing in the 3rd-7th rounds of this draft. Maybe a bad backup somewhere.

That's not being negative. It's just acknowledging reality. My hope in the Cowboys draft resides in the first two rounds.

 

[CCBoy]

2015 - Jones appears to be a contributor. Gregory has done nothing. It's embarrassing to even mention Swaim. He's a roster filler. The biggest contributor of the class other than Jones has been Wilson and that is merely on special teams. That class looks awful right now.

2014 - Martin and Lawrence. Nothing after. Just a mediocre backup LB in a 4th round mega reach. Devin Street has been non existent here.

2013 - Frederick. Williams is okay but nobody really wants him to return. Decent pick. Wilcox is probably one of the most criticized players we have here. People can't wait to upgrade. Nothing else in the class.

2012 - Horrific all around. Wasted a 1st and 2nd on a bum. Crawford has been okay. When you have to mention guys like Wilber and Hanna as contributors you're really getting desperate. These guys are roster fillers at the bottom of your depth chart.

I fail to see any draft improvement. In fact, I'd say the Cowboys are one of the worst drafting teams in the league when we get to day 3. They have shown no ability to unearth those gems that are there in every draft.

There are still plenty of roster survivors in those specific drafts.

As to slots available, just how many low round picks does one expect to survive given the current climate of veterans and experienced players that have become members of the current roster? This draft may well have similar results as well. Not bad picking, but earning births on a pretty established team.

 

[iceberg]

Alhough in full snark mode, You are asking the wrong question.

You should be asking...will this help prevent us from taking Buckner or Bosa with the the 4th pick in the first round.

If the answer is yes...jump up and down and quit with the snark.

If the answer is no...proceed with the snark.

Snark-ettiqute 101 here

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

Wonder what his SPARQ scores are

120 something. Former 2nd Rounder.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Well after the Morris signing, I see we are back to looking at journeymen again.

2 years down the road, when we are 4-12, we'll look around and wonder how we cornered the market on journeymen and never-have-beens.

 

[JPostSam]

My point is a rotation of bad players doesn't make them anything but bad players.

How is the drafting getting better? That's a hollow statement people like to throw around but it can not be supported with actual facts. Last year's crop may very well be a one player draft class.

i agree about a rotation of bad players. i just think they're improbing the quality of players in the rotation.

adding byron jones to the defensive backs means fewer snaps for wilcox or church. adding thornton to the defensive line means fewer (and possibly no) snaps for hayden. just as examples.

no, i don't think alfred morris is better than lamar miller, and i don't think the defensive end we signed from oakland is better than mario williams. so, i understand anyone who is disappointed on those fronts.

as far as drafting, i think immediately of tyron smith, frederick and zach as opposed to the horrid o-linemen we kept drafting a decade ago. crawford, hitchens and jones are better than the defenders we took back then, too.

you don't prefer peterman, goodrich and jason williams, do you?

 

[jobberone]

2015 - Jones appears to be a contributor. Gregory has done nothing. It's embarrassing to even mention Swaim. He's a roster filler. The biggest contributor of the class other than Jones has been Wilson and that is merely on special teams. That class looks awful right now.

2014 - Martin and Lawrence. Nothing after. Just a mediocre backup LB in a 4th round mega reach. Devin Street has been non existent here.

2013 - Frederick. Williams is okay but nobody really wants him to return. Decent pick. Wilcox is probably one of the most criticized players we have here. People can't wait to upgrade. Nothing else in the class.

2012 - Horrific all around. Wasted a 1st and 2nd on a bum. Crawford has been okay. When you have to mention guys like Wilber and Hanna as contributors you're really getting desperate. These guys are roster fillers at the bottom of your depth chart.

I fail to see any draft improvement. In fact, I'd say the Cowboys are one of the worst drafting teams in the league when we get to day 3. They have shown no ability to unearth those gems that are there in every draft.

Not everyone can be a star. Even if they could you couldn't keep them all.

You can't judge a draft until after three years although you can begin to form opinions. Gregory was hurt and did what your expect from a DE. Most didn't expect great things from him nor would most rookie DEs do that well. Swaim showed he can likely play in the league. What the hell do you expect from a 7th founder behind 3 other REs? Ditto Wilson. Green and the rest may or may not play. I suspect Green may contribute.

Hitchens is a valuable player. He belongs in the league. You'll never admit it no matter the facts. We'll see about Street this year.

Holloman was a player. Not their fault he had congenital stenosis. Escobar is also a player just misused as is Hanna. Who says no one wants Williams? Wilcox is a STa player but he's a wash at S.

Claiborne is a decent starter albeit not on par with his high pick. Crawford is better than ok. Wilber is a good backup. Its ok for some of these guys not to be starters. Again they've misused Hanna and Escobar.

Again they need to hit on more starters in the middle and late rds but they hit on more than their share of UDFAs.

 

[the_h0wey]

How long until he signs with somebody else? Today or tomorrow?

Lol

 

[the_h0wey]

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 28s28 seconds ago
The #Cowboys are still looking for edge help, hosting former #Lions DE Jason Jones on a visit, source said.

Quick somebody look up his Madden rating!!!

 

[Cowboys22]

2015 - Jones appears to be a contributor. Gregory has done nothing. It's embarrassing to even mention Swaim. He's a roster filler. The biggest contributor of the class other than Jones has been Wilson and that is merely on special teams. That class looks awful right now.

2014 - Martin and Lawrence. Nothing after. Just a mediocre backup LB in a 4th round mega reach. Devin Street has been non existent here.

2013 - Frederick. Williams is okay but nobody really wants him to return. Decent pick. Wilcox is probably one of the most criticized players we have here. People can't wait to upgrade. Nothing else in the class.

2012 - Horrific all around. Wasted a 1st and 2nd on a bum. Crawford has been okay. When you have to mention guys like Wilber and Hanna as contributors you're really getting desperate. These guys are roster fillers at the bottom of your depth chart.

I fail to see any draft improvement. In fact, I'd say the Cowboys are one of the worst drafting teams in the league when we get to day 3. They have shown no ability to unearth those gems that are there in every draft.

I agree with everything except your last sentence. I think they have drafted plenty of guys who could have been late round gems but they have no ability to develop them. In fact, I don't think they have the ability to develop anyone at any position. The guys that come to Dallas and succeed simply have too much talent to fail and are able to overcome the organizational system and poor coaching. Don't we hear every single year about 8-10 guys who are exceeding expectations in camp and then 3 weeks later they get cut or are inactive every week. You put some of the players mentioned above in Seattle, Denver, or New England and they could be stars. In Dallas they're just underachievers and get considered bad draft picks.

 

[endersdragon]

That really is not new. Sounds like 2014's DL by committee.

You mean the year where we had around 21 players play on the DL due to injuries. 2014 was the worst year ever for defensive line injuries.

 

[SultanOfSix]

The idea is to give Rod "waves " of fresh players on the defensive line in the hopes that although one person might not get a huge number of sacks, a few will combine to get a number of sacks.

Although so far I am not sure we will be able to produce waves with some of these players and might be lucky to produce ripples.

If you throw pebbles in the pond, why would you expect more?

 

[casmith07]

Jeffcoat wasn't a JAG.

Yeah what in the world, lol.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Jason Jones isn't a bad player.

He was the 43rd rated DE per PFF. Not great, but not garbage either. He didn't have a ton of snaps last season... 550ish.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That really is not new. Sounds like 2014's DL by committee.

You mean all our frontline guys are going to get hurt? 2014 was bring in guys off the street and not so much a committee. Wynn, Brown, Selvie etc were brought in August or later.

But hey why not just point out a low point and wave your hands. It's what you do after all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Also keep in mind...This is Rapoport reporting this...

Should call him Agentoport. That is where he gets his info from.

 

[Alexander]

The illusion of draft improvement comes from hitting on the OL selections the last few years, plus Bryant.

And all in the first round.

The rest are roster fillers and depth, but you need more than that.

We have yet to have a single draft come close to 2005.

In fact, you could lump several together and still not match the firepower.

Do that and I will say McClay and company are making a difference.