RAS Cowboys TEs

[JW82]

I think, as a whole the TE room is as good as anyone's at this point. If he's a notch above Ferguson and Hendershot, that's great. If he's the same receiver as them but a better blocker, that's even better.

 

[fivetwos]

He's a few months older.

But that entire extra year to develop physically in college is going to influence your RAS. Every athlete gets bigger, stronger, faster when they're in their early 20s. At 25, there's still some room for that, but you've mostly maxed out your athleticism.

He lost an entire year in high school with mono and a ruptured spleen. Had to repeat the grade and is the reason for the difference.

I would think that set him back if anything.

Too much is being made of the age thing. Terrence Newman was the exact same age to the month when drafted fourth overall.

Also I don’t see why we need to see more of him physically or athletically. I would hope his catch stats in Michigans offense isn’t a factor. He will fine for what they want to do, and when he catches 60 or so check downs from nervous nellie, folks will consider him a good player, same as they did Schultz.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

He lost an entire year in high school with mono and a ruptured spleen. Had to repeat the grade and is the reason for the difference.

I would think that set him back if anything.

Too much is being made of the age thing. Terrence Newman was the exact same age to the month when drafted fourth overall.

Also I don’t see why we need to see more of him physically or athletically. I would hope his catch stats in Michigans offense isn’t a factor. He will fine for what they want to do, and when he catches 60 or so check downs from nervous nellie, folks will consider him a good player, same as they did Schultz.

Not enough is made from age when you're talking about athleticism, especially when you're talking about development.

A guy who is 24 is going to test better than a guy who is 23. Having mono 8 years ago isn't going to change that.

Newman never got better after his rookie year (which, he was NFL ready) and signed his second contract at nearly 30. He was a dumb pick.

 

[john van brocklin]

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Do you know disco dance moves as well ?

 

[Aliencowboy]

RAS (Relative Athletic Score): A method to compare players of different sizes.
- i.e. A 4.4 forty for a 170-pound player is much different than a 4.4 for a 260-pound player.

9.66 Luke Schoonmaker (16th best of 1105 TEs since 1987).
8.40 Peyton Hendershot
7.11 Dalton Schultz
6.74 Jake Ferguson

So they know what they r doing

 

[blueblood70]

But they are just the same.......
Right? Right?

Both Mazi and Schoon and phenomenal athletes, that love football. They are going to be very good.

add in Vaugn and Overshown also fit that description. seems like a lot of backlash and negatives about the draft are being disproved by the day..

 

[thunderpimp91]

Hence, not a RAS guy lol

He's a fine enough athlete, but the margins are so small that you won't notice the difference on gameday between him and Ferguson or whichever 20 other TEs have the same profile.

Nah you're too focused on one piece of the puzzle. Jason Witten coming out was a RAS guy, but also a catch and fall guy most of his career. He ended up retiring with the 2nd most receiving yards for a TE all time. At TE I think most RAS guys are going to give you smoother movements, not necessarily pure speed. I'd love Schoon to turn into Turpin with the ball in his hands, but it's not the end of the world if he never becomes a huge RAC guy either. He's still a strong RAS player, and if he can show he is a complete player in this league he becomes an instant matchup problem for defenses because of it. More than athletic enough to get to the holes in zone defenses, too big for many DBs to cover, and too quick for many LBs to cover.

I agree with you that overall we are seeing a better quality athlete at the TE position, and Schoonmaker's RAS score wont flash constantly throughout a game. With that said situationally it could prove to be a massive difference-maker. Short yardage and red zone opportunities for example this team is going to give defenses tough decisions to make as the Cowboys come out in 12 personnel. While I like both players I'm not sure Hendershot or Ferguson are the all-around matchup exploiters in this type of situation that Schoon could become.

I just think it's more about the little things with this player than it is the big eye popping plays. Now is that worth your 2nd round pick? That piece I think is very much up for debate.

 

[blueblood70]

Not enough is made from age when you're talking about athleticism, especially when you're talking about development.

A guy who is 24 is going to test better than a guy who is 23. Having mono 8 years ago isn't going to change that.

Newman never got better after his rookie year (which, he was NFL ready) and signed his second contract at nearly 30. He was a dumb pick.

Newman played well, not a dumb pick played years after he left here like Awuzie who no one liked.. get over it..moviung up for MO was dumb..passign on TJ was dumb all in hindsight but Tnew was not bad pick and betting neither is schoon.

 

[glimmerman]

The more i see and hear about this pick the more I like him.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Nah you're too focused on one piece of the puzzle. Jason Witten coming out was a RAS guy, but also a catch and fall guy most of his career. He ended up retiring with the 2nd most receiving yards for a TE all time. At TE I think most RAS guys are going to give you smoother movements, not necessarily pure speed. I'd love Schoon to turn into Turpin with the ball in his hands, but it's not the end of the world if he never becomes a huge RAC guy either. He's still a strong RAS player, and if he can show he is a complete player in this league he becomes an instant matchup problem for defenses because of it. More than athletic enough to get to the holes in zone defenses, too big for many DBs to cover, and too quick for many LBs to cover.

I agree with you that overall we are seeing a better quality athlete at the TE position, and Schoonmaker's RAS score wont flash constantly throughout a game. With that said situationally it could prove to be a massive difference-maker. Short yardage and red zone opportunities for example this team is going to give defenses tough decisions to make as the Cowboys come out in 12 personnel. While I like both players I'm not sure Hendershot or Ferguson are the all-around matchup exploiters in this type of situation that Schoon could become.

I just think it's more about the little things with this player than it is the big eye popping plays. Now is that worth your 2nd round pick? That piece I think is very much up for debate.

I don't really get your point.

Witten was an excellent YAC guy when he came out. Led all TEs in 2007.

My point is that whether Schoon is a RAS player or not, it's not going to show up on gameday because the differences you're talking about don't matter as they relate to other players.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Newman played well, not a dumb pick played years after he left here like Awuzie who no one liked.. get over it..moviung up for MO was dumb..passign on TJ was dumb all in hindsight but Tnew was not bad pick and betting neither is schoon.

The game was a little bit different in 2004 but a corner who isn't Deoin Sanders at #4 is a bad pick every time.

Chido was great and they should have re-signed him. He was a second-round pick drafted at age 21

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

hes a freak, hes a super freak, super freaky yawww

RJ?

 

[blueblood70]

The game was a little bit different in 2004 but a corner who isn't Deoin Sanders at #4 is a bad pick every time.

Chido was great and they should have re-signed him. He was a second-round pick drafted at age 21

really ODD that Ramseys was being begged to go 4 overall. Ironic change the narrative to make sure you win a debate.. LOL many wanted Ramseys at 4 over Zeke and yet Ramseys is NOT sanders and wasn't resigned by the Jags. seen worse picks like 3 1sts for Trey lance Baker #1 overall.. even worse picks were made but ill stop there.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

really ODD that Ramseys was being begged to go 4 overall. Ironic change the narrative to make sure you win a debate.. LOL many wanted Ramseys at 4 over Zeke and yet Ramseys is NOT sanders and wasn't resigned by the Jags. seen worse picks like 3 1sts for Trey lance Baker #1 overall.. even worse picks were made but ill stop there.

I didn't want Ramsey either.

Idk what you're arguing with me about. Newman was a good corner who was overdrafted. Ramsey is a good corner who was overdrafted.

 

[Jipper]

RJ?

Don't understand

 

[xwalker]

Do you know disco dance moves as well ?

 

[AsthmaField]

RJ?

Beeeyotch!

 

[Spottswoode]

But that entire extra year to develop physically in college is going to influence your RAS. Every athlete gets bigger, stronger, faster when they're in their early 20s. At 25, there's still some room for that, but you've mostly maxed out your athleticism.

How high do you want him to go? It caps out at 10

 

[Zman5]

False Narrative: Schoonmaker is only a "blocking TE".

The same thing was said about Schultz when he was drafted, and he ended up sucking at blocking and became an above average pass catcher.

 

[blueblood70]

I didn't want Ramsey either.

Idk what you're arguing with me about. Newman was a good corner who was overdrafted. Ramsey is a good corner who was overdrafted.

alert alert !! we have draft expert here that knows more than the pro staff's selecting them LMAO.. another egomaniacal keyboard GM type.. ok newb we gotcha...

Not arguing, its my opinion that you are wrong and ill trust the team of scouts , a staff of very experienced coaches , and Mcclay that leads them over you..