Rate Jerry as Owner/GM on a scale of 1 to 10

[tcain2004]

I believe that Jerry is among the top three to four owners in football. My evidence for that statement is the fact that no other owner puts as much of himself into his franchise as Jerry does. He has the passion & the money to make just about anything happen. Rating: 10

In other words, he puts his money where his mouth is & you just can’t knock him for that. I would take Jerry, the owner, over any other in the NFL. He brings in the talent. He builds stadiums. He keeps the Dallas Cowboys at the front & center of the NFL universe.

Having said that, Jerry also has a darker side that is beginning to emerge over the last decade plus. In a word, it’s ego. That's where the GM comes into play. Rating: 2

on a side note have you ever been to the stadium? whoever idea it was to put that thing east to west is a moron the sun coming in ruins it for the fans so I don't think he can get any positive credit no matter how nice that place is.

as a gm he gets a 3, picked some good players here and there but they cant do contracts. Is tyron their only + contract ? the zeke and dak contract are recent so they negate anything good done 2 decades ago.

 

[tcain2004]

1.

I give him no credit whatsoever for the dynasty. He merely hired his college roommate and was too busy fixing the financial end of things to meddle while Jimmy built.

I give him full blame for destroying that dynasty to appease his own ego. The most disgraceful act any owner in sports has ever done.

And nearly three decades later he still doesn't care how much damage he's doing.

If negative numbers were allowed I'd go there.

someone should pay to have this turned into a banner and hung at the stadium

 

[Jake]

I'm continually amazed by fans that think ol' Jerry and son are just a move or two away from striking gold.

They've played this game for over a quarter century. They've only gotten older. Stop expecting miracles.

 

[Flamma]

I only gave him a 6 because of the 3 sb wins.
You take those first 6 seasons out and I would give him a 2...

I'd agree. But Jimmy had more control at that time. It didn't take long for the Cowboys to fall off a cliff after Jimmy left.

 

[basel90]

As GM ; 3
As Owner : 8

 

[TequilaCowboy]

I believe that Jerry is among the top three to four owners in football. My evidence for that statement is the fact that no other owner puts as much of himself into his franchise as Jerry does. He has the passion & the money to make just about anything happen. Rating: 10

In other words, he puts his money where his mouth is & you just can’t knock him for that. I would take Jerry, the owner, over any other in the NFL. He brings in the talent. He builds stadiums. He keeps the Dallas Cowboys at the front & center of the NFL universe.

Having said that, Jerry also has a darker side that is beginning to emerge over the last decade plus. In a word, it’s ego. That's where the GM comes into play. Rating: 2

LOL, Jerry the owner a 10?....an owner that great would have fired Jerry the GM a long time ago. Who cares how much of himself he puts into his franchise if it ain't winning consistently and challenging for championships. If he has that much power to make things happen then it is his dammm fault the past 26 years have been a failure. And his ego has been there since Jimmy was around, that is what got him in trouble. A case of over inflated ego.

 

[tcain2004]

Suburbly articulated.
Post of the year!

there should be a cowboys zone awards ceremony at the end of every season awarding the top 3 posts in certain categories

 

[plasticman]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/4/...als-general-manager-director-player-personnel

"If there are other Bengals fans out there that had a glimmer of hope that the team would - some day - hire an actual GM, Tyler Dragon is here to give you a dose of reality.

He also made it clear that Duke Tobin will continue to be the closest thing the team has to a GM for the foreseeable future."

 

[IrishAnto]

This is a "What have you done for me in the last 26 years" league, so 1

 

[JoeKing]

3 SB in a 4 yr. span... 10 for life

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

3 SB in a 4 yr. span... 10 for life

It has been proven over time that that run was a fluke. The sample size of a quarter of a century has shown Jerry to be one of the worst owners in the league.

1

 

[NoFurtherQuestions]

As GM ; 3
As Owner : 8

I have never gotten this argument. An owner that was a 8 would never continually employ such a subpar GM to run his team for decades, and Jerry is more like a -3 for being a GM.

 

[starfan1]

3 as a GM
7 as a owner

 

[Acceptablename]

Jerry did a great job his first 5 years, hired Jimmy , mostly stayed out of the way, signed players.
Did a great job.
Last 27 years has been in over his head with bad trades and bad drafts , hired the wrong HC's and then kept them too long (Garrett).
So looking at his whole body of work I would give him a 6 overall.
Mainly because of those 3 SB's wins.
PS: Hiring wrong front office personal like his son is also a major error.
You hire people because of their ability to get the job done, not just because they are your offspring.
This isn't the local grocery store.
Running a NFL Franchise is a complex operation.

Thoughts ?

I’m disappointed in his results I like him personally. I’ve defended in a bull headed way but now I only argue with unreasonable and that’s another lesson to learn. 5

 

[DallasEast]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2021/4/...als-general-manager-director-player-personnel

"If there are other Bengals fans out there that had a glimmer of hope that the team would - some day - hire an actual GM, Tyler Dragon is here to give you a dose of reality.

He also made it clear that Duke Tobin will continue to be the closest thing the team has to a GM for the foreseeable future."

lol.

You did not include the following from the same article:

I asked if it’s possible the team could get a general manager or if Tobin might end up on the hot seat if the team doesn’t get better results in the Draft.

Dragon responded:

“To answer your questions: no and no. I don’t see the Bengals hiring an official GM any time soon. Duke Tobin is the de facto GM as well as Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, they all operate together, as well as Zac Taylor, they make the decisions organizationally. So I don’t see them hiring a GM. And Duke Tobin, he’s been there for a while now. I don’t believe he’s on the hot seat.”

Dragon then mentioned that Tobin had a solid Draft last year in getting Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins, and Logan Wilson, all of whom will be big contributors this year.

_______________

Essentially, Mike Tobin IS Will McClay. McClay is the actual architect of Cowboys drafts, just as Tobin is for the Bengals. Tobin secured solid players, despite Brown. Arguably, McClay has been attempting to do the same, despite Jones.

If there is any difference between Jerry Jones and Mike Brown, it is that Brown is perhaps both less intrusive and less vocal than Jones. Both men insert themselves into the general managerial activities of their respective franchises for no logical discernible reason.

Any Cowboys fans' hopes hinge upon the pieces McClay has been assembling will finally mesh, execute and perform as well together for an entire year as the Bengals demonstrated last season. It is the successful end result of having solid, knowledgeable and qualified football managers can deliver despite the unnecessary involvement of owners like Mike Brown, who calls himself a general manager, just like Jerry Jones.

Both men should stop purposefully getting in the way of their own football ambitions. However, truth should never be twisted. Both Jones and Brown are self-appointed general managers via the authority of their ownership.

 

[IrishAnto]

lol.

You did not include the following from the same article:

I asked if it’s possible the team could get a general manager or if Tobin might end up on the hot seat if the team doesn’t get better results in the Draft.

Dragon responded:

“To answer your questions: no and no. I don’t see the Bengals hiring an official GM any time soon. Duke Tobin is the de facto GM as well as Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, they all operate together, as well as Zac Taylor, they make the decisions organizationally. So I don’t see them hiring a GM. And Duke Tobin, he’s been there for a while now. I don’t believe he’s on the hot seat.”

Dragon then mentioned that Tobin had a solid Draft last year in getting Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins, and Logan Wilson, all of whom will be big contributors this year.

_______________

Essentially, Mike Tobin IS Will McClay. McClay is the actual architect of Cowboys drafts, just as Tobin is for the Bengals. Tobin secured solid players, despite Brown. Arguably, McClay has been attempting to do the same, despite Jones.

If there is any difference between Jerry Jones and Mike Brown, it is that Brown is perhaps both less intrusive and less vocal than Jones. Both men insert themselves into the general managerial activities of their respective franchises for no logical discernible reason.

Any Cowboys fans' hopes hinge upon the pieces McClay has been assembling will finally mesh, execute and perform as well together for an entire year as the Bengals demonstrated last season. It is the successful end result of having solid, knowledgeable and qualified football managers can deliver despite the unnecessary involvement of owners like Mike Brown, who calls himself a general manager, just like Jerry Jones.

Both men should stop purposefully getting in the way of their own football ambitions. However, truth should never be twisted. Both Jones and Brown are self-appointed general managers via the authority of their ownership.

I agree with your conclusion, but will add a couple of points.
1. Then Bengals managed to get to the playoffs for 5 straight years with Andy Dalton at the helm. I know that they didn't win a single playoff game, however that is a level of consistency that hasn't been seen around here for more than 26 years.
2. Bengals Draft Capital spent. Dalton was a high second round pick (35th overall) and Joe Burrow a first round pick (1st overall)

So it would appear if you have an Owner as a GM then spending a high round pick to get a quality QB is a good idea. In contrast the two best QBs the Cowboys had in the last 20 years were Tony Romo (UDFA) and Dak Prescott last pick in the 4th.

 

[DallasEast]

2. Bengals Draft Capital spent. Dalton was a high second round pick (35th overall) and Joe Burrow a first round pick (1st overall)

So it would appear if you have an Owner as a GM then spending a high round pick to get a quality QB is a good idea. In contrast the two best QBs the Cowboys had in the last 20 years were Tony Romo (UDFA) and Dak Prescott last pick in the 4th.

Duke Tobin has been the Cincinnati Bengals' Director of Player Personnel since 2002. Former Bengals Director of Football Operations, Jim Lippincott, retired after the 2011 season ( link ). Andy Dalton was acquired in the 2011 draft. I would speculate that Tobin had some recognizable input in Dalton's pick. And that it further raised his stock within the Bengals' front office. The same is likely true with the later drafting of Joe Burrow.

That said, it should also be noted that Mike Brown swung-and-missed by picking Akili Smith number three overall in the 1999 draft. Carson Palmer was a quality quarterback drafted number one overall in the first round of the 2003 draft. So, I agree. Brown, as an owner and self-appointed general manager, has repeatedly invested high draft capital at the quarterback position during his tenure since 1991.

 

[DFWJC]

Suburbly articulated.
Post of the year!

Not really

 

[kskboys]

As GM ; 3
As Owner : 8

Pssssst. Owner hires the GM.

 

[kskboys]

I have never gotten this argument. An owner that was a 8 would never continually employ such a subpar GM to run his team for decades, and Jerry is more like a -3 for being a GM.

Yup. They are connected.

Unless you own stock in the Cowboys, you cannot give Jerry a higher number than a 5. It does not make sense.

Think about it, he is an owner who insists on failure. Knows it, and still insists on it. How is that in any shape or form a good owner?