Rate Jerry as Owner/GM on a scale of 1 to 10

[JohnsKey19]

Owner - 8
GM - 3

There's a lot more to being a good GM than overseeing a staff that generally drafts well.

 

[kskboys]

Owner - 8
GM - 3

There's a lot more to being a good GM than overseeing a staff that generally drafts well.

This owner you're giving a high score to utilizes a terrible GM, knows it, and insists on keeping this GM in his position. How does that rate an 8? If you're a fan of winning, you cannot give the owner a high score, as the owner is keeping us from winning.

 

[JohnsKey19]

This owner you're giving a high score to utilizes a terrible GM, knows it, and insists on keeping this GM in his position. How does that rate an 8? If you're a fan of winning, you cannot give the owner a high score, as the owner is keeping us from winning.

Agreed. Thats why I docked him 2 points. i'm trying to separate the two roles, but obviously thats not the case in Dallas.

In a perfect world Jerry is owner of the most lucrative operation in modern sports and the family has no involvement with the day-to-day operations of the team.

 

[plasticman]

lol.

You did not include the following from the same article:

I asked if it’s possible the team could get a general manager or if Tobin might end up on the hot seat if the team doesn’t get better results in the Draft.

Dragon responded:

“To answer your questions: no and no. I don’t see the Bengals hiring an official GM any time soon. Duke Tobin is the de facto GM as well as Mike Brown, Katie Blackburn, they all operate together, as well as Zac Taylor, they make the decisions organizationally. So I don’t see them hiring a GM. And Duke Tobin, he’s been there for a while now. I don’t believe he’s on the hot seat.”

Dragon then mentioned that Tobin had a solid Draft last year in getting Joe Burrow, Tee Higgins, and Logan Wilson, all of whom will be big contributors this year.

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Essentially, Mike Tobin IS Will McClay. McClay is the actual architect of Cowboys drafts, just as Tobin is for the Bengals. Tobin secured solid players, despite Brown. Arguably, McClay has been attempting to do the same, despite Jones.

If there is any difference between Jerry Jones and Mike Brown, it is that Brown is perhaps both less intrusive and less vocal than Jones. Both men insert themselves into the general managerial activities of their respective franchises for no logical discernible reason.

Any Cowboys fans' hopes hinge upon the pieces McClay has been assembling will finally mesh, execute and perform as well together for an entire year as the Bengals demonstrated last season. It is the successful end result of having solid, knowledgeable and qualified football managers can deliver despite the unnecessary involvement of owners like Mike Brown, who calls himself a general manager, just like Jerry Jones.

Both men should stop purposefully getting in the way of their own football ambitions. However, truth should never be twisted. Both Jones and Brown are self-appointed general managers via the authority of their ownership.

Brown is not the de facto GM as Jerry Jones is but I have to give you points. I agree that Brown is as close as you can get to comparison to Jerry Jones, Brown does make decisions regarding personnel and, officially, there is no position of GM on the Bengals staff.

Therefore, my statement that no other owner is close to what Jerry Jones does as far as GM should be amended. Good work.



Brown's father, Paul Brown, was both Head Coach and owner of the Bengals Head Coach and I assume GM as well. With that type of family background

 

[IrishAnto]

Duke Tobin has been the Cincinnati Bengals' Director of Player Personnel since 2002. Former Bengals Director of Football Operations, Jim Lippincott, retired after the 2011 season ( link ). Andy Dalton was acquired in the 2011 draft. I would speculate that Tobin had some recognizable input in Dalton's pick. And that it further raised his stock within the Bengals' front office. The same is likely true with the later drafting of Joe Burrow.

That said, it should also be noted that Mike Brown swung-and-missed by picking Akili Smith number three overall in the 1999 draft. Carson Palmer was a quality quarterback drafted number one overall in the first round of the 2003 draft. So, I agree. Brown, as an owner and self-appointed general manager, has repeatedly invested high draft capital at the quarterback position during his tenure since 1991.

Agreed. Brown's QB selections haven't always worked out (for various reasons) however he knows the value of spending a top pick on one. Jerry on the other hand hasn't spent a 1st round pick on a QB since the supplemental draft of 1989.

 

[basel90]

I have never gotten this argument. An owner that was a 8 would never continually employ such a subpar GM to run his team for decades, and Jerry is more like a -3 for being a GM.

Gave him 8 as an owner as he has put the cowboys as the most valuable sports franchise in the world. the recognition of the cowboys globally , despite the disappointment on the field , is massive. I travel around the world and see their logos and fan clubs all over. hard to believe the team has not sniffed a super bowl since 1995. Yet the franchise and its financial and media power is second to none globally,
if the criteria is about the owner interference in the roster or coaching decisions , ferry would get an F or a 2 from me obviously.

 

[basel90]

Pssssst. Owner hires the GM.

Yes indeed. If that is the criteria , he would get a failing grade on both. LOL

 

[JoeKing]

It has been proven over time that that run was a fluke. The sample size of a quarter of a century has shown Jerry to be one of the worst owners in the league.

This isn't a debate. My opinion is my opinion. If you disagree then go find your own post to express it. Now, get off my lawn!

 

[john van brocklin]

Not really

I generally like your post, so I am curious where you disagree with what plastic man posted ?

 

[IrishAnto]

Gave him 8 as an owner as he has put the cowboys as the most valuable sports franchise in the world. the recognition of the cowboys globally , despite the disappointment on the field , is massive. I travel around the world and see their logos and fan clubs all over. hard to believe the team has not sniffed a super bowl since 1995. Yet the franchise and its financial and media power is second to none globally,
if the criteria is about the owner interference in the roster or coaching decisions , ferry would get an F or a 2 from me obviously.

Is is not the responsibility of the owner to produce a winning team?
How much more valuable would the franchise be if we had won an SB or two in the last 10-15 years?

 

[DFWJC]

I generally like your post, so I am curious where you disagree with what plastic man posted ?

I explain in post 38

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

1.5

 

[KobeSingh921]

Jerry did a great job his first 5 years, hired Jimmy , mostly stayed out of the way, signed players.
Did a great job.
Last 27 years has been in over his head with bad trades and bad drafts , hired the wrong HC's and then kept them too long (Garrett).
So looking at his whole body of work I would give him a 6 overall.
Mainly because of those 3 SB's wins.
PS: Hiring wrong front office personal like his son is also a major error.
You hire people because of their ability to get the job done, not just because they are your offspring.
This isn't the local grocery store.
Running a NFL Franchise is a complex operation.

Thoughts ?

I think Jerry has done an exceptional job at drafting. Winning SBs is hard. I think this team is as close as we've ever been.

 

[john van brocklin]

I’m disappointed in his results I like him personally. I’ve defended in a bull headed way but now I only argue with unreasonable and that’s another lesson to learn. 5

Jerry does have likable qualities, I really appreciate and admire his work with the Salvation Army.
This is not personal with me, just objectively reviewing his body of work over his ownership and believe it's very flawed.
The larger concern at this point is that he is going to perpetuate this flawed business model by having Stephen replace him when he passes or steps down.
Nepotism is a very flawed business model.
This is well documented.
Hard to believe a man as intelligent as Jerry must be, he cannot see this.

 

[john van brocklin]

I think Jerry has done an exceptional job at drafting. Winning SBs is hard. I think this team is as close as we've ever been.

Agree , I applaud Jerry for paying McClay whatever it takes to keep him here.
If it was not for our great drafts, we would be cellar dwellers.

 

[john van brocklin]

I explain in post 38

Thanks, will check it out.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Jerry did a great job his first 5 years, hired Jimmy , mostly stayed out of the way, signed players.
Did a great job.
Last 27 years has been in over his head with bad trades and bad drafts , hired the wrong HC's and then kept them too long (Garrett).
So looking at his whole body of work I would give him a 6 overall.
Mainly because of those 3 SB's wins.
PS: Hiring wrong front office personal like his son is also a major error.
You hire people because of their ability to get the job done, not just because they are your offspring.
This isn't the local grocery store.
Running a NFL Franchise is a complex operation.

Thoughts ?

Well, you hit the nail on the head in that its been a tale of 2 eras. Jerry was perfect in the role of facilitator of Jimmy's vision. People forget or don't know that Jerry is the one who convinced Hershel Waker to accept the trade. Jerry is the one who talked Charles Haley into choosing Dallas. So Jerry had a legitimate right to claim he was a part of the building those super bowl teams. He just gets the proportion wrong. He's been overestimating himself since 1994.

 

[ShortRound]

5-ish?

That being said would love to have a drink with the man though.
I bet a night on the town with Jerry is nuts.

 

[john van brocklin]

there should be a cowboys zone awards ceremony at the end of every season awarding the top 3 posts in certain categories

Cowboys Zone used to have an annual award for certain catagories.
Stopped having them for some reason.
Thought it was a nice feature.

 

[john van brocklin]

I'd agree. But Jimmy had more control at that time. It didn't take long for the Cowboys to fall off a cliff after Jimmy left.

Your are not kidding!
Straight off the cliff.