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[CanadianCowboysFan]

Did he or did he not lose three straight NFC Championships?

Did he or did he not allow the Eagles 17 points late to cost us home field in 1980? Did he or did he not allow the 49ers to take the ball the entire field to beat us in 1982?

Did he or did he not choke away the 1983 division and lose in the wild card?

The last 9 years he was there were failures. It offsets to some extent the first 20.

It is clear you believe he walked on water and that is your prerogative but I guarantee you no other coach would be cut the same slack by you.

 

[Stautner]

Did he or did he not lose three straight NFC Championships?

Did he or did he not allow the Eagles 17 points late to cost us home field in 1980? Did he or did he not allow the 49ers to take the ball the entire field to beat us in 1982?

Did he or did he not choke away the 1983 division and lose in the wild card?

The last 9 years he was there were failures. It offsets to some extent the first 20.

It is clear you believe he walked on water and that is your prerogative but I guarantee you no other coach would be cut the same slack by you.

It cracks me up that you think a guy that lost 3 NFC Championships is a worse coach than one that never got there to begin with, and in fact, never even won a playoff game in Dallas (Parcells). That's plain idiotic.

Now let me give you a stat:

In Landry's last 10 years, the years you say he was a complete failure, his record was 83-63 (56.9% winning percentage), and for Jimmy's entire coaching career he was 80-64 (55.6% winning percentage).

So the bottom line is that in what you call Landry's worst years he still had a better winning percentage than Jimmy had with his best years included.

Basically all you are doing is condemning Landry for hanging on a few years too long, and letting that override the fact that he was arguably the most innovative defensive mind the NFL has ever known, and the amazing feat of building the most successful team in the NFL from scratch and maintaining a winning record, and getting the most wins in the NFL over 20 years.

In short, ignoring 25 years of amazing work based on 2-3 years of hanging on too long at the end, and at the same time giving all the credit to 2 guys who never maintained a winning team over a lengthy period of time EVER.

 

[Hagman]

It cracks me up that you think a guy that lost 3 NFC Championships is a worse coach than one that never got there to begin with, and in fact, never even won a playoff game in Dallas (Parcells). That's plain idiotic.

Now let me give you a stat:

In Landry's last 10 years, the years you say he was a complete failure, his record was 83-63 (56.9% winning percentage), and for Jimmy's entire coaching career he was 80-64 (55.6% winning percentage).

So the bottom line is that in what you call Landry's worst years he still had a better winning percentage than Jimmy had with his best years included.

Basically all you are doing is condemning Landry for hanging on a few years too long, and letting that override the fact that he was arguably the most innovative defensive mind the NFL has ever known, and the amazing feat of building the most successful team in the NFL from scratch and maintaining a winning record, and getting the most wins in the NFL over 20 years.

In short, ignoring 25 years of amazing work based on 2-3 years of hanging on too long at the end, and at the same time giving all the credit to 2 guys who never maintained a winning team over a lengthy period of time EVER.

:bravo:

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Jimmy Johnson (got it done sooner)
Tom Landry (got it done eventually and then tanked his last 10 years)
Bill Parcells (promising but in the end too cynical, too potty mouth toward his players)
Chan Gailey (Had the skills but not the players)
Barry Switzer (He did not have enough time to show anything)
Dave Campo (lame)
Wade Phillips (lamest)

 

[TheRat]

Tom Landry
Jimmy Johnson















Bill Parcells



Barry Switzer (only reason he's this high is the SB win not that he had anything to do with it)




Wade Phillips


Chan Gailey
Dave Campo

And yet Wade Phillips was more accomplished than Parcells in their time with Dallas. Parcells as a head coach has been nothing without Belichick.

 

[Stautner]

:bravo:

Thanks you.

I looked it up more - PArcells only had a 34-30 record (53.13% winning % in Dallas.


Looking at careers, Landry had a 60.7% winning percentage - all with Dallas- Parcells had a 57.0% winning percentage, and Jimmy had a 55.6% winning percentage.

Heck, Parcells entire coaching career, including his highly successful time with the Giants, and his winning percentage (57.0%) is almost identical to the last 10 years of Landry's career (56.9%) which CCF calls a complete failure. And as I already pointed out, even including Jimmy's highly successful stint with the Cowboys, his career winning percentage is lower than Landry's last 10 years that he calls "a complete failure".

Pretty funny stuff.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And yet Wade Phillips was more accomplished than Parcells in their time with Dallas. Parcells as a head coach has been nothing without Belichick.

Depends on what you consider nothing I guess.

 

[Stautner]

Jimmy Johnson (got it done sooner)
Tom Landry (got it done eventually and then tanked his last 10 years)
Bill Parcells (promising but in the end too cynical, too potty mouth toward his players)
Chan Gailey (Had the skills but not the players)
Barry Switzer (He did not have enough time to show anything)
Dave Campo (lame)
Wade Phillips (lamest)

How is "sooner" the mark of a better coach? It may mean the mark of a better initial builder, although Jimmy didn't have to build a team from scratch like Landry did, and Landry didn't have the benefit of the Herschel Walker deal. What Jimmy did was a great feat, but as the saying goes, getting there is the easy part, maintaining it is the hard part. Jimmy never had to do that - anywhere - ever, and 28 years of accomplishment has to beat out 5 anytime.

 

[zrinkill]

In Landry's last 10 years, the years you say he was a complete failure, his record was 83-63 (56.9% winning percentage), and for Jimmy's entire coaching career he was 80-64 (55.6% winning percentage).

So the bottom line is that in what you call Landry's worst years he still had a better winning percentage than Jimmy had with his best years included

:laugh2:

 

[Stautner]

Depends on what you consider nothing I guess.

Parcells has certainly been solid everywhere he has been and left teams at least better off than he found them.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

:laugh2:

so troll would you rather win two SBs in five years and have a slightly lower winning percentage or no SBs and a slightly higher winning percentage?

 

[Stautner]

so troll would you rather win two SBs in five years and have a slightly lower winning percentage or no SBs and a slightly higher winning percentage?

So, that's your justification for comparing Johnson's best years to Landry's worst?

Great - now we know what kind of guy we are dealing with

 

[zrinkill]

so troll would you rather win two SBs in five years and have a slightly lower winning percentage or no SBs and a slightly higher winning percentage?

:laugh2:

 

[zrinkill]

Great - now we know what kind of guy we are dealing with

 

[percyhoward]

One of the many things Landry accomplished that Johnson did not was to take two completely different teams to championship games.

 

[wileedog]

And yet Wade Phillips was more accomplished than Parcells in their time with Dallas.

Yeah I remember the team completely quitting on Parcells twice in 4 years too.

Oh wait...

 

[john van brocklin]

I thought he was bad too, but I dont blame him for that loss. He didnt commit the turnovers, we had too many injuries and the officiating was horrendous. Those are the reasons we lost.

Switzer's 15 yard personal foul penalty in the 4th quarter did not help matters.

 

[Hoofbite]

How people can watch 3-4 wasted years ending in complete disaster and think Wade is anywhere but as close to the bottom as possible is a mystery.

 

[wileedog]

How can people watch 3-4 wasted years ending in complete disaster and think Wade is anywhere but as close to the bottom as possible is a mystery.

But he won a playoff game!

While he was completely eroding our talent base and destroying our defense.

 

[Stautner]

One of the many things Landry accomplished that Johnson did not was to take two completely different teams to championship games.

That's a good point. Of course, that's part of the argument about maintaining excellence over a long period of time like Landry did. It's a huge challenge to keep the talent level up and to keep the level of coaching up over the long haul, and that's something that neither Jimmy or Parcells ever did.

That's why Landry was so huge to the organization - his ability to build a team from scratch, and to keep it among the top teams in the NFL for the better part of a 28 year career is what made the Dallas Cowboys.

That, in a nutshell, is the very heart of the entire organization. It's the foundation for all the wealth, all the popularity, all the success, all the desire of players to sign contract with the Cowboys. The greatness of the entire organization was built on what Landry built (along with Scharamm and Brandt).