Rate the NFC-East Teams by ..."Positions"

Phoenix-Talon

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This may be an interesting exercise. How would you rate for example ...the Cowboys (Note: I'll only add my opinions if I know the position); or any other NFC-East team ...

Cowboys rating - from this Eagle fans perspective (NOTE: I could be wrong In some areas ...I've Been wrong before):

QB: B-

RB: B-

WR: A

OL: C-

DL: B

LB: B-

DBs: B-

ST: C

Agree ...if not, make your adjustments.
 

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Actually as a realistic Cowboy fan and at this jointure in the season, I'll go along with your ratings. We all got a lot of questions re our OL which will impact all phases of the offense. Also we entering 2nd year in the 3-4 defensive scheme so our players still have a lot to learn but there's a lot of potential there, particularly in our front 7. So I believe those ratings will significantly improve, particularly on the defensive side, as we make our way through the preseason games.
 

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QB: B -

RB: B

WR: A+

OL: F (until they prove other wise)

DL: B

LB: B

DB: B+

SC: B+
 

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I would think the DB's would be the highest grade for defense. i would go with ....

DL B-
LB B
DB B+

ST would be a C for last year, thinking B+ or A- for this season, definite upgrade at kicker, we will see about the wr we drafted for returns, kicking coverage should be good, i like our punter, was pretty good at dropping punts inside the 10 last year.
 

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QB: B- Agree with this one on average. If Bledsoe get protection he can be as good as an A or even an A+ (at times). If he doesn't get protection it can be as bad as a C- or D+.

RB: B- Agreed. Both RBs have potential to be better though.

WR: A Agreed.

OL: C- Not quite that bad. The right side can only get better then last year. Same for the C position. LT will be better then it was after game 6 (MUCH better). The LG position will be better in some ways, and not as good in alot of other ways. I'd give it a C+.

DL: B Seems about right. Maybe even a B- (depending on how Ferguson does).

LB: B- Seems about right, but only cuz there's so many young, unproven players there. I think a B- is the worst they'll do. As with any good 3-4 team, the LBs have the potential to impact makers to this score could go a lot higher.

DBs: B- NO F'IN WAY! *** ARE YOU SMOKING? We have the best CB tandem (and top 3 CBs) in the Division, THE best SS in the NFL. Yes, FS isn't great, but those other 3 (or 4) players outweigh that. The Cowboys secondary is a solid A.

ST: C Depends what you're referring to. ST's coverage or K's and P's? We have the best Kicker in the division. Our punter has a ton of potential. The only thing I'm concerned about is our kickoff coverage (due to Vanderdrunk's weak kickoffs).

Agree ...if not, make your adjustments.



Eagles:

QB: B+

RB: B

WR: C-

OL: B+

DL: B

LB: B-

DBs: B

STs: A
 

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Cowboys/ Eagles:

QB: B-/ A

RB: B+/ B-

WR: A/ C-

OL: C/ B-

DL: B+/ B+

LB: A/ C

DBs: A+/ B+
 

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Commanders/ Giants:

QB: B- / C

RB: B-/ A+

WR: A/ B-

OL: C-/ C-

DL: C-/ A

LB: B-/ C-

DBs: B-/ C
 

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I agree with your rankings except for the DBs should be a B+, it would be an A if the FS position was set, even without a probowl type player. Too much uncertainty there to give it an A yet.
 

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QB: A- (Bledsoe will has a careers year with our wideout running free!)

RB: B (Could be better if rebound happen to last years haywire formula.)

WR: A+ (Clearly the best wide recieveing in the entire Leagues and going back many years to find comparisons of equal talent. All defensive coordinates are staying awake trying to come up with way to slow us down but they can't not do it.)

OL: B (Expect some Parcells magic hear. He knows this could be a weaknesses so he will get on them from the time they get out of their car at Valley Ranch until they shower at the end of the day. He bearating them with slurs and fast talk and threatens of violents and other fear tactical senarios to seperate the boys from the mens. By the end of training camp they are to be battle tested and ready to kill on comand like Jack Bower on 24.)

DL: A- (I expects big things and a coming out of closet type party from our young big boys. The Leagues will have some Cowboys defense linemans in the pro bowl for sure!

LB: B+ (Watch out for this group to make some majore strides with a Superbowl bound birth at stake. Plus Big Bill knows how to get the mosy outta his linebackers-- remember LT (he was a nobody herd of him type until Parcells started rubbing on him behind close doors and made him into a mean guy exploding with fire and brimstone against demon types.)

DBs: A+ (Best CBs in the entire Leagues. Bets SS in the entire leagues. They will dictate and dominate all season longer!! Bet on it. Plus it will only make them better going up against our wide receiving in practice times to.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
Commanders/ Giants:

QB: B- / C

RB: B-/ A+

WR: A/ B-

OL: C-/ C-

DL: C-/ A

LB: B-/ C-

DBs: B-/ C

So, let me get this straight...The Cowboys have a better O-line (C vs C-) and RB (B+ vs B-) group than the Skins according to your rankings. Wow.
 

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Rack said:
NO F'IN WAY! *** ARE YOU SMOKING? We have the best CB tandem (and top 3 CBs) in the Division, THE best SS in the NFL. Yes, FS isn't great, but those other 3 (or 4) players outweigh that. The Cowboys secondary is a solid A. I've been wrong before ...but I don't smoke



Agree ...if not, make your adjustments.

Eagles:

QB: B+ (appreciate the gesture; I can Live with the upgrade)

RB: B (Actually B- until proven otherwise)

WR: C- (C ...Not quite that bad ...until proven otherwise

OL: B+ (right on the money)

DL: B (B+ upgraded in this area)

LB: B- (Could have gone with a C)

DBs: B (upgraded to A)

STs: A (Probably a B+ to be on the safe side)
 

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leotisbrown said:
QB: A- (Bledsoe will has a careers year with our wideout running free!)

RB: B (Could be better if rebound happen to last years haywire formula.)

WR: A+ (Clearly the best wide recieveing in the entire Leagues and going back many years to find comparisons of equal talent. All defensive coordinates are staying awake trying to come up with way to slow us down but they can't not do it.)

OL: B (Expect some Parcells magic hear. He knows this could be a weaknesses so he will get on them from the time they get out of their car at Valley Ranch until they shower at the end of the day. He bearating them with slurs and fast talk and threatens of violents and other fear tactical senarios to seperate the boys from the mens. By the end of training camp they are to be battle tested and ready to kill on comand like Jack Bower on 24.)

DL: A- (I expects big things and a coming out of closet type party from our young big boys. The Leagues will have some Cowboys defense linemans in the pro bowl for sure!

LB: B+ (Watch out for this group to make some majore strides with a Superbowl bound berth at stake. Plus Big Bill knows how to get the mosy outta his linebackers-- remember LT (he was a nobody herd of him type until Parcells started rubbing him off behind close doors and made him into a mean guy exploding with fire and brimstone against demon types.)

DBs: A+ (Best CBs in the entire Leagues. Bets SS in the entire leagues. They will dictate and dominate all season longer!! Bet on it. Plus it will only make them better going up against our wide receiving in practice times to.


Cowboys:

QB: B- (this will improve if the OL improves obviously)
RB: B (Jones has to stay healthy for this to be higher)
WR: A (About the only question here will be the playcalling)
TE: A- (Witten is a proven commodity...Fasano should be at least as good as Campbell, but we don't know yet).
OL: D (until proven otherwise, right side and Kosier are huge question marks)
DE: B (The biggest question mark of the defense IMO).
LB: B+ (Ayodele and Carpenter should improve this unit).
DB: A (I still think Henry and Glenn are overrated, and aren't unquestionably the best 2 and 3 CBs in the division, but Newman is unquestionably the best number 1 at his position, as is Roy Williams).
ST: A (good in coverage and Vanderjagt is the best).

Commanders:

QB: B- (Brunell is a smart QB who doesn't make boneheaded mistakes)
RB: A (Portis is an every down player who blocks and plays with complete heart away from the ball. Betts and Cartwright are good depth).
WR: A- (Lots of quick explosive receivers, will they all pick up the Al Saunders offense well enough though)
TE: A- (Cooley came into his own last year, Robert Johnson and Fauria are great blockers)
OL: A- (We really hit a groove until Thomas went down against Dallas in both run blocking and pass blocking. Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas are All Pro caliber).
DL: B+ (Have to generate more pressure on their own for an A. Great run stoppers)
LB: B (We will be attacked at WLB without Lavar, someone has to step up. Will it be McIntosh?)
DB: A (If Springs and Taylor stays healthy, we are very good here. Our number 3, Kenny Wright, started for Jacksonville last year).
ST: B (We need a better kickoff specialist and punter. Hall is money under 40 and solid under 50).
 

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RiggoForever said:
Cowboys:

QB: B- (this will improve if the OL improves obviously)
RB: B (Jones has to stay healthy for this to be higher)
WR: A (About the only question here will be the playcalling)
TE: A- (Witten is a proven commodity...Fasano should be at least as good as Campbell, but we don't know yet).
OL: D (until proven otherwise, right side and Kosier are huge question marks)
DE: B (The biggest question mark of the defense IMO).
LB: B+ (Ayodele and Carpenter should improve this unit).
DB: A (I still think Henry and Glenn are overrated, and aren't unquestionably the best 2 and 3 CBs in the division, but Newman is unquestionably the best number 1 at his position, as is Roy Williams).

Commanders:

QB: B- (Brunell is a smart QB who doesn't make boneheaded mistakes)
RB: A (Portis is an every down player who blocks and plays with complete heart away from the ball. Betts and Cartwright are good depth).
WR: A- (Lots of quick explosive receivers, will they all pick up the Al Saunders offense well enough though)
TE: A- (Cooley came into his own last year, Robert Johnson and Fauria are great blockers)
OL: A- (We really hit a groove until Thomas went down against Dallas in both run blocking and pass blocking. Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas are All Pro caliber).
DL: B+ (Have to generate more pressure on their own for an A. Great run stoppers)
LB: B (We will be attacked at WLB without Lavar, someone has to step up. Will it be McIntosh?)
DB: A (If Springs and Taylor stays healthy, we are very good here. Our number 3, Kenny Wright, started for Jacksonville last year).

Really interesting read/breakdown RiggoForever. Didn't necessarily agree, but I enjoyed your perspectives. Thanks.
 

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MossBurner said:
So, let me get this straight...The Cowboys have a better O-line (C vs C-) and RB (B+ vs B-) group than the Skins according to your rankings. Wow.
Yes and yes.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
Yes and yes.

Portis alone makes the Commanders better than the Cowboys at the RB position.

And the Commanders IMO, might have the best OL in the division.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
Yes and yes.

Let me ask in a different way...

Jones & Barber are better than Portis and Betts? No

Adams is better than Samuels? No
Kosier is better than Dockery? No
Johnson is better than Rabach? No
Rivera is better than Thomas? No
Fabini is better than Jansen? No

How can you honestly answer yes to any of those questions?
 

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Deadskins:(I hate them with a pasion but I wil be objectivate with my opinons for the best interest of the forum)

QB: D+ (Brunell is a decent starter when he's not busted up and on the bench whining about not playing and backstabbing Ramsey in private religous revival type meatings with Gibbs. However with the swiss cheese o-line Vegas got the over under on games played for Brunell to hover somewheres round 4-5. The smart moneys's is on the under. When Brunell goes down they got Jason Campbell with the IQ of a peach pie and some guy from Kanssa city who no's the offense but hasn't played a lick in 10 years even though he's near the mandatory retirments age for career bakups. I laughs at they're misfortunancy with gustoh and much luster!)

RB: C+ (Portis is ok when he has a wide whole to go through but he gets scaredy feets when he gets popped early in a game and he starts looking for a place to fall down like a kitty cat in a den of rottwhilers. Plus he can't score touchdowns and he's always taking plays off because he gets hurt. On top of that his stupid costuming stuff at press talkings makes him s like he should be hanging out with the Village People in drag queen outfits and unholy unions they call marriages that hopefully Mister Bush will end before he leaves office for good.

WR: C (Moss is good when people forget to cover him or tackle him on screen plays but other than that he's a britle baby boy who will brake and shatter like glass if he gets hit by Roy. After Moss Snyder in one of his ileagle cap manipulates overpaid for 2 jokes of a receivers who wouldn't not even make the practice squad of the Boys. Randle El can throw passes but my Grandma runs bester patterns than he does and she uses a walker. The bum they gots from Frisco-- cant even remembers his name-- had one or 2 big games and led the Leagues in dropped passes on cachable balls. HA HA HA HA HA!!! I laughs at Snyders continal wasting of his daddys moneys. The rich nerd. I hate him bad!!

OL: D- (They have the two most overates at linemans in the hole Leagues-- Samuels and Janson stink, nuff said. They best lineman Randy Thomson tore off his leg last year and they're starting center (another overpay on Snyder) got hurt in an accidental riding on atvs with Sean Taylor in the off season when they should have been traineing. I don't even know who their other guard is but I can bet you too things about him: 1. he's overpaid and 2. he sucks. As for the depth well they picked up a bum that we let go and another bum with some racial stuff from his Ohio State days (talk about locker room cancer) This may be the laughing stocks ofthe entire history of offensive lines. I'm guessing they give up 7-10 sacks/game (remember with their new offensive they gonna be throwing a whole lotta balls so the sacks are gonna go way up sense they can't not block anybodys).

DL: D- (They got a sadly mixup of nobodys has-beens never-will-be's and hope-they-get-betters. What a joke!

LB: C (They lost Arrington they're best player even though I hated him for the cheapshot takeout on Troy. May he one day get the same. I must admit Marcus Washington can play pretty good but he's do for a career ending injury or some unfortune mishaps about now so he doesn't not matter. And I can't even name another linebacks worth a damn on the entire roster. They lost Pierce to the Giants and he was great for them. Just another Snyder thing-- he lets his best players go and then overpays to replkace at them with infurior ones.

DBs: F (I laugh out loud at this group and can't not wait til Bledsoe get a chance to shrivel them up like a surgeron. Springs is always hurt and he's on the wrong side of thirty. He's done but Snyder overspent so much on him they cant afford to cut him. Archetta is good in the box but he can't cover anybody since his steroid loaded body is strong but not fast or manooverable. The rookie they got at corner from last year always looks scared out their and he can be beat deep with ease. Taylor is good at spitting- hitting late out of bounds sucker punching- causing brawls- brandishing weapons- paying off judges and prosecutesors but his voodoo type of luck wont last for all time. Sooner than later he will end up where he belong-- in a nice 8X10 cage wearing a dress and heels practising unsafe backdoor activity with his husband BIG Bubba.
 

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Qwickdraw said:
Yes and yes.

Then, you are dumb.

And that's being as nice as I can be....

I hate the Skins....but Portis is better than ANY RB we have. And their OL is better than ours.

Its.
That.
Simple.
To.
See.
 

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Cowboys:
QB: B-
RB: B-
WR:A
TE:A-
OL: C-
DL:B-
LB:B
DB:B+

I am probably more critical than most people like...

Skins
QB:B-
RB:A-
WR:B+
TE:A-
OL:B
DL:C
LB:B
DB:B
 
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