Rate the NFC-East Teams by ..."Positions"

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Not that I want to switch back to a 4-3, but we could if we wanted too...

Carpenter played OLB in a 4-3 in college.
Ayodele played OLB in a 4-3 in Jacksonville.
Bradie would be ILB.

Ware would line up at DE, like he did in Troy, or in 4-3 situations last year.
Spears at the other DE spot.
Canty/Ferguson in the middle...

Hatcher lined up all over the place at Grambling.
Ellis at DE.
Stanley in the middle.
Ratliff rotating between End/DE.
 

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Vintage said:
Not that I want to switch back to a 4-3, but we could if we wanted too...

Carpenter played OLB in a 4-3 in college.
Ayodele played OLB in a 4-3 in Jacksonville.
Bradie would be ILB.

Ware would line up at DE, like he did in Troy, or in 4-3 situations last year.
Spears at the other DE spot.
Canty/Ferguson in the middle...

Hatcher lined up all over the place at Grambling.
Ellis at DE.
Stanley in the middle.
Ratliff rotating between End/DE.

Good point. I fully expect Parcells/Zimmer to flip between the 3-4 and 4-3 this year and complicate the blocking schemes for offenses.

Watching him and Gibbs go at it in the 80s was a real treat. I'd be willing to say Parcells is a defensive genius when it comes to judging talent.
 

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Best team by positions:

QB: New York
RB: Washington
WR: Dallas
TE: Dallas/New York
O-Line: Philadelphia
D-Line: Dallas
LB: Washington
CB: Dallas
S: Philadelphia
K: Dallas
P: No one really stands out
Coaching: Dallas/Washington
 

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RiggoForever said:
Cowboys:

QB: B- (this will improve if the OL improves obviously)
RB: B (Jones has to stay healthy for this to be higher)
WR: A (About the only question here will be the playcalling)
TE: A- (Witten is a proven commodity...Fasano should be at least as good as Campbell, but we don't know yet).
OL: D (until proven otherwise, right side and Kosier are huge question marks)
DE: B (The biggest question mark of the defense IMO).
LB: B+ (Ayodele and Carpenter should improve this unit).
DB: A (I still think Henry and Glenn are overrated, and aren't unquestionably the best 2 and 3 CBs in the division, but Newman is unquestionably the best number 1 at his position, as is Roy Williams).
ST: A (good in coverage and Vanderjagt is the best).

Commanders:

QB: B- (Brunell is a smart QB who doesn't make boneheaded mistakes)
RB: A (Portis is an every down player who blocks and plays with complete heart away from the ball. Betts and Cartwright are good depth).
WR: A- (Lots of quick explosive receivers, will they all pick up the Al Saunders offense well enough though)
TE: A- (Cooley came into his own last year, Robert Johnson and Fauria are great blockers)
OL: A- (We really hit a groove until Thomas went down against Dallas in both run blocking and pass blocking. Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas are All Pro caliber).
DL: B+ (Have to generate more pressure on their own for an A. Great run stoppers)
LB: B (We will be attacked at WLB without Lavar, someone has to step up. Will it be McIntosh?)
DB: A (If Springs and Taylor stays healthy, we are very good here. Our number 3, Kenny Wright, started for Jacksonville last year).
ST: B (We need a better kickoff specialist and punter. Hall is money under 40 and solid under 50).

only changes I would make:
TE: I'd give us a bigger advantage at TE..probably us a solid A and you a B+ based ONLY on Cooley. They other guys aren't much of a threat. Witten is an absolute stud and the rest of the crew is going to be solid.
DE: I think Ware, Ellis, Spears, and Canty are pretty darn solid: A-
DB: Not sure your CBs warrant an A, if Rogers plays well then yes. I think we have a slight advantage in starters and depth here.
OL: would only move your OL down a little, B to B+, Brunell's running ability saved him on a number of occasions. When Ramsey was back there, he got murdered.

One area no one has mentioned: Coaching
Boys vs Skins
HC: BP vs JG = hmmm call it an even A for both?
DC: MZ vs GW = B vs A+
OC: ??? vs AS = C+ vs A (but it remains to be seen if Saunders' style works well in Wash)
 

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BrAinPaiNt said:
If I did not take them as extreme jokes, meant in a good way, I would die after reading some of his tirades. Not only are they so far out there but full of so many errors that it even makes me look like a spelling champ and english professor.

But I have to admit since I read his posts knowing he is going for either a laugh or over the top extreme I DO get a good laugh out of them.

Even if he puts a legit thought into it and draws from a viable opinion on a topic at hand it is always over the top, but it is without a doubt funny at times.

That line about brunell stabbing ramsey in the back while going to revival meetings with gibbs had me rolling.

I know, and I agree. But the part that made me laugh was at the end when he shreds Taylor.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Best team by positions:

QB: New York
RB: Washington
WR: Dallas
TE: Dallas/New York
O-Line: Philadelphia
D-Line: Dallas
LB: Washington
CB: Dallas
S: Philadelphia
K: Dallas
P: No one really stands out
Coaching: Dallas/Washington

I agree with most things except OL. What makes you think Philly has the best OL? They are the biggest size wise, but that's not always a good thing in the era of DEs and LBs that can run 4.4/4.5 40s and bench 400 lbs plus.
 

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RiggoForever said:
I agree with most things except OL. What makes you think Philly has the best OL? They are the biggest size wise, but that's not always a good thing in the era of DEs and LBs that can run 4.4/4.5 40s and bench 400 lbs plus.

It's a simple lack of options. New York and Dallas both have questionable lines. Washington's is good, but several key players are coming off injuries.
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Best team by positions:

QB: New York
RB: Washington
WR: Dallas
TE: Dallas/New York
O-Line: Philadelphia
D-Line: Dallas
LB: Washington
CB: Dallas
S: Philadelphia
K: Dallas
P: No one really stands out
Coaching: Dallas/Washington

QB-I take Bledsoe over Manning due to the fact he choked more with better protection.
RB-I'll go Portis, but only because he is younger than Tiki
WR-Dallas has TO. Nuff said.
TE- I give us the edge with Witten + depth
Oline-I think the Skins starting 5 is probably the best in the division
D-line- How can you go against Umenyiora and Strahan?
LB-GMen on paper, but Dallas on potential.
CB-Boys by a landslide.
S-Agree with the Eagles here. Archuleta was terrible in coverage last year, and missed a crap load of tackles. Worst signing of the offseason by the skins.
K-No contest- Big D
P-Feagles and the giants. He actually won a couple games for them last year.
Coaching-Staff as a whole would go to the skins. On head coaches, none have really stood out as of late, especially in game time decisions. Parcells and Gibbs would be obvious choices, but I'm going with Reid. Parcells plays too much for FGs and Gibbs game time adjustments( dallas games aside) last year were paultry. I'm not saying Reid is the best, but at least he can be more innovative on game day and go for the throat when he is able to.
 

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Paniolo22 said:
QB-I take Bledsoe over Manning due to the fact he choked more with better protection.
RB-I'll go Portis, but only because he is younger than Tiki
WR-Dallas has TO. Nuff said.
TE- I give us the edge with Witten + depth
Oline-I think the Skins starting 5 is probably the best in the division
D-line- How can you go against Umenyiora and Strahan?
LB-GMen on paper, but Dallas on potential.
CB-Boys by a landslide. Archuleta was terrible in coverage last year, and missed a crap load of tackles. Worst signing of the offseason by the skins.
S-Agree with the Eagles here.
K-No contest- Big D
P-Feagles and the giants. He actually won a couple games for them last year.
Coaching-Staff as a whole would go to the skins. On head coaches, none have really stood out as of late, especially in game time decisions. Parcells and Gibbs would be obvious choices, but I'm going with Reid. Parcells plays too much for FGs and Gibbs game time adjustments( dallas games aside) last year were paultry. I'm not saying Reid is the best, but at least he can be more innovative on game day and go for the throat when he is able to.

I stopped reading after you described how Adam Archuleta, a safety, sucked as a corner :rolleyes:
 

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QB.
1. Philly
2. Dallas
3. NYG
4. Skins

RB.
1. NYG
2. Skins
3. Dallas
4. Philly

WR.
1. Dallas
2. Skins
3. NYG
4. Philly

OL.
1. Philly
2. Skins
3. Dallas
4. NYG

DL.
1. Dallas
2. NYG
3. Philly
4. Skins

LB.
1. Dallas
2. NYG
3. Skins
4. Philly

DB.
1. Dallas
2. Philly
3. Skins
4. NYG

K
1. Dallas
2. Philly
3. NYG
4. Skins

P-
Who cares?

Coaching
1. Dallas
2. Skins
3. Philly
4. NYG

Figure 4 for 1st, 3 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and 1 for 4th, it falls thusly:

Dallas: 31
Philly: 21
NYG: 19
Skins: 19
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
I stopped reading after you described how Adam Archuleta, a safety, sucked as a corner :rolleyes:
I meant to have him in the Safety spot. I was trapped into lumping the backfield together.
 

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MossBurner said:
Let me ask in a different way...

Jones & Barber are better than Portis and Betts? No

Adams is better than Samuels? No
Kosier is better than Dockery? No
Johnson is better than Rabach? No
Rivera is better than Thomas? No
Fabini is better than Jansen? No

How can you honestly answer yes to any of those questions?
What are you on?
Give me some please.

Flozell is lightyears better than Samuels.
Kosier, who knows but he probably sux.
Johnson and Rabach is a close tie.
Rivera better than Thomas... Yes.
Fabini better than Jansen, No.

Portis vs Jones?
There's an argument to made there all though Skins fans make a much bigger deal out of Portis than he really is. Julius still has a questionmark as to his talent.
But when you match Betts against Barber, that tips the scales heavily in favor of Dallas.

And don't even mention the matchup between Tyson Thompson and Rock Cartwright.
 

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Vintage said:
Then, you are dumb.

And that's being as nice as I can be....

I hate the Skins....but Portis is better than ANY RB we have. And their OL is better than ours.

Its.
That.
Simple.
To.
See.
And just how many Commanders games do you watch a season?
 

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cobra said:
QB.
1. Philly
2. Dallas
3. NYG
4. Skins

RB.
1. NYG
2. Skins
3. Dallas
4. Philly

WR.
1. Dallas
2. Skins
3. NYG
4. Philly

OL.
1. Philly
2. Skins
3. Dallas
4. NYG

DL.
1. Dallas
2. NYG
3. Philly
4. Skins

LB.
1. Dallas
2. NYG
3. Skins
4. Philly

DB.
1. Dallas
2. Philly
3. Skins
4. NYG

K
1. Dallas
2. Philly
3. NYG
4. Skins

P-
Who cares?

Coaching
1. Dallas
2. Skins
3. Philly
4. NYG

Figure 4 for 1st, 3 for 2nd, 2 for 3rd, and 1 for 4th, it falls thusly:

Dallas: 31
Philly: 21
NYG: 19
Skins: 19
I agree with this except the Giants LBers are easily the worst in the division.
 

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What are you on?
Give me some please.

Flozell is lightyears better than Samuels.
Kosier, who knows but he probably sux.
Johnson and Rabach is a close tie.
Rivera better than Thomas... Yes.
Fabini better than Jansen, No.

Portis vs Jones?
There's an argument to made there all though Skins fans make a much bigger deal out of Portis than he really is. Julius still has a questionmark as to his talent.
But when you match Betts against Barber, that tips the scales heavily in favor of Dallas.

And don't even mention the matchup between Tyson Thompson and Rock Cartwright.


RB tips their way. Portis is a healthy, Pro Bowl RB.

Jones has not played a full season or didn't run for 1000 yards last year.



Sorry, but Samuels > Adams. At best, we can hope for a push.

Rivera > Thomas....???? Did we watch the same Marco Rivera?
 

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3/4 seasons Portis has been in the league, he has rushed for over 1500 yards.

Last year, included.

Jones is 0/2.

His rookie year, starting 7 games, he had 819 yards.
Last year, starting 12 games, he had 993.

It took him 5 games to rush for 174 more yards...

We can't even get him on the field for 16 games....
Meanwhile, Portis gets you 1500 yards.

And you think we have the edge?

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Unrelated; hopefully, we can get Jones to play 16 games and get 1200 yards rushing.

But I am not going to hold my breath.

I hope Barber has been working hard this offseason.
 

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QB: B

RB: C+

WR: A

OL: C

DL: B+

LB: B-

DBs: B

ST: B+
 

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Qwickdraw said:
What are you on?
Give me some please.

Flozell is lightyears better than Samuels.
Kosier, who knows but he probably sux.
Johnson and Rabach is a close tie.
Rivera better than Thomas... Yes.
Fabini better than Jansen, No.

Portis vs Jones?
There's an argument to made there all though Skins fans make a much bigger deal out of Portis than he really is. Julius still has a questionmark as to his talent.
But when you match Betts against Barber, that tips the scales heavily in favor of Dallas.

And don't even mention the matchup between Tyson Thompson and Rock Cartwright.

I know this is a Cowboys message board, but that is a terrible assessment. By any standards. Come on man. Stop being a homer. Portis' "worst" season (1315 Yards), is better then any of Julius Jones best seasons. Get a grip of yourself. Then to say that Flozell is "lightyears" ahead of Samuels......PLEAZZZZZZZZZZ!
 

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Deadskins:(I hate them with a pasion but I wil be objectivate with my opinons for the best interest of the forum)

QB: D+ (Brunell is a decent starter when he's not busted up and on the bench whining about not playing and backstabbing Ramsey in private religous revival type meatings with Gibbs. However with the swiss cheese o-line Vegas got the over under on games played for Brunell to hover somewheres round 4-5. The smart moneys's is on the under. When Brunell goes down they got Jason Campbell with the IQ of a peach pie and some guy from Kanssa city who no's the offense but hasn't played a lick in 10 years even though he's near the mandatory retirments age for career bakups. I laughs at they're misfortunancy with gustoh and much luster!)

RB: C+ (Portis is ok when he has a wide whole to go through but he gets scaredy feets when he gets popped early in a game and he starts looking for a place to fall down like a kitty cat in a den of rottwhilers. Plus he can't score touchdowns and he's always taking plays off because he gets hurt. On top of that his stupid costuming stuff at press talkings makes him s like he should be hanging out with the Village People in drag queen outfits and unholy unions they call marriages that hopefully Mister Bush will end before he leaves office for good.

WR: C (Moss is good when people forget to cover him or tackle him on screen plays but other than that he's a britle baby boy who will brake and shatter like glass if he gets hit by Roy. After Moss Snyder in one of his ileagle cap manipulates overpaid for 2 jokes of a receivers who wouldn't not even make the practice squad of the Boys. Randle El can throw passes but my Grandma runs bester patterns than he does and she uses a walker. The bum they gots from Frisco-- cant even remembers his name-- had one or 2 big games and led the Leagues in dropped passes on cachable balls. HA HA HA HA HA!!! I laughs at Snyders continal wasting of his daddys moneys. The rich nerd. I hate him bad!!

OL: D- (They have the two most overates at linemans in the hole Leagues-- Samuels and Janson stink, nuff said. They best lineman Randy Thomson tore off his leg last year and they're starting center (another overpay on Snyder) got hurt in an accidental riding on atvs with Sean Taylor in the off season when they should have been traineing. I don't even know who their other guard is but I can bet you too things about him: 1. he's overpaid and 2. he sucks. As for the depth well they picked up a bum that we let go and another bum with some racial stuff from his Ohio State days (talk about locker room cancer) This may be the laughing stocks ofthe entire history of offensive lines. I'm guessing they give up 7-10 sacks/game (remember with their new offensive they gonna be throwing a whole lotta balls so the sacks are gonna go way up sense they can't not block anybodys).

DL: D- (They got a sadly mixup of nobodys has-beens never-will-be's and hope-they-get-betters. What a joke!

LB: C (They lost Arrington they're best player even though I hated him for the cheapshot takeout on Troy. May he one day get the same. I must admit Marcus Washington can play pretty good but he's do for a career ending injury or some unfortune mishaps about now so he doesn't not matter. And I can't even name another linebacks worth a damn on the entire roster. They lost Pierce to the Giants and he was great for them. Just another Snyder thing-- he lets his best players go and then overpays to replkace at them with infurior ones.

DBs: F (I laugh out loud at this group and can't not wait til Bledsoe get a chance to shrivel them up like a surgeron. Springs is always hurt and he's on the wrong side of thirty. He's done but Snyder overspent so much on him they cant afford to cut him. Archetta is good in the box but he can't cover anybody since his steroid loaded body is strong but not fast or manooverable. The rookie they got at corner from last year always looks scared out their and he can be beat deep with ease. Taylor is good at spitting- hitting late out of bounds sucker punching- causing brawls- brandishing weapons- paying off judges and prosecutesors but his voodoo type of luck wont last for all time. Sooner than later he will end up where he belong-- in a nice 8X10 cage wearing a dress and heels practising unsafe backdoor activity with his husband BIG Bubba.

This was the single greatest post I have ever read on any message board in my entire life.

My sentiments EXACTLY. And I feel as though my IQ just shot up 20 points because I read it.

Thanks.
 

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Paniolo22 said:
Coaching-Staff as a whole would go to the skins. On head coaches, none have really stood out as of late, especially in game time decisions. Parcells and Gibbs would be obvious choices, but I'm going with Reid.

I dont' think any of the coaches do great with adjustments, Reid doesn't run the football and couldn't counter when we stopped the blitz the 1st game
 
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