Rate the NFC-East Teams by ..."Positions"

[SkinsandTerps]

Cowboys:
QB: B-
RB: B-
WR:A
TE:A-
OL: C-
DL:B-
LB:B
DB:B+

I am probably more critical than most people like...

Skins
QB:B-
RB:A-
WR:B+
TE:A-
OL:B
DL:C
LB:B
DB:B

My rankings would be almost exactly the same.

Differences :
Commanders LBs , B-
Cowboys OL , C

 

[MossBurner]

Cowboys/Commanders

QB: B-/B-
RB: B-/A
WR A/A-
OL: C-/A-
TE: A-/A-

DL: B/B
LB: B/B
DB: B+/B+

K: A/B-

 

[Rack]

Eagles:

QB: F

RB: F

WR: F

OL: F

DL: F

LB: F

DBs: F

STs: F

Looks about right.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

DBs a B-?? aside from FS, which is hardly the key position in a D-backfield, we're stacked

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and STs a C? hello, Mike V, most accurate kicker in NFL history, our kick-coverage units annually rank among the league's best, although last year they slipped some, but we added talent to the unit, Tyson Thompson ranked in the top10 for kickoff return average, and Skyler Green is a tremendous prospect in the return game, so along with Dbs, it's an A unit

 

[Bob Sacamano]

DB: A (I still think Henry and Glenn are overrated, and aren't unquestionably the best 2 and 3 CBs in the division

so, who are #2 and 3 in the division? Carlos Rodgers and Kenny Wright?

 

[RiggoForever]

so, who are #2 and 3 in the division? Carlos Rodgers and Kenny Wright?

I'd give Sam Madison some consideration, Lito Sheppard, and Rogers improved steadily last year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'd give Sam Madison some consideration, Lito Sheppard, and Rogers improved steadily last year.

I'd rank Sheppard, if anyone above Henry, even though Lito took a step back last year, but that's it, Madison isn't what he once was, so who do you have for #3?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

leotisbrown with his unbiased, baseless, weekly tirade about the Commanders.

If I did not take them as extreme jokes, meant in a good way, I would die after reading some of his tirades. Not only are they so far out there but full of so many errors that it even makes me look like a spelling champ and english professor.

But I have to admit since I read his posts knowing he is going for either a laugh or over the top extreme I DO get a good laugh out of them.

Even if he puts a legit thought into it and draws from a viable opinion on a topic at hand it is always over the top, but it is without a doubt funny at times.

That line about brunell stabbing ramsey in the back while going to revival meetings with gibbs had me rolling.

 

[RiggoForever]

I'd rank Sheppard, if anyone above Henry, even though Lito took a step back last year, but that's it, Madison isn't what he once was, so who do you have for #3?

Sheldon Brown is the Eagles number 1 isn't he? I don't know enough about the Eagles and Giants number 3's to be able to accurately say. Kenny Wright should be an upgrade over Walt Harris but I haven't seen enough of him to say either.

So I'll concede Glenn is the best number 3 until proven otherwise

 

[burmafrd]

Moss is not as good as our #1 Owens. The Skins #2 is not as good as Glenn.
#3 is hard to call- Crayton if he returns to form is pretty close to whoever is decided for skins#3. So frankly B+ is the BEST the skins can see for their WR. Half to laugh at their claim that their TE is as good as Witten. Their #2 TE is probably no better then Fasano at best. Boys have edge there. QB- that is interesting since Brunnell has to stay healthy and not fade. If he does- and just how often has he played 16 games a season in his career- then he and BLedsoe are about equal. Portis is very good- but the boys have better depth. A- to B/B+. POrtis does not score TD's to match his yardage- that is the only reason he does not get a A. The O line: Adams is as good as any Skin Tackle. Guards- a healthy Rivera is also equal to the best of skins guards. Center is probably a pickem. So I would give the Skins a B to maybe a B+ depending on health. They have no depth at all. The Boys - Fabini and Kosier are good so B- - and if they play as well as we hope B+.
D line- Boys easy. LB- we got a bunch of young guys so I would say pickem. Secondary: we have the better CB tandem and the safeties are about equal depending on how our FS is this season. If it does not improve then the skins have the edge there. ST we easily beat them now. We have the better kicker and punter, and our coverage teams are very good.

 

[Vintage]

Sheldon Brown is the Eagles number 1 isn't he? I don't know enough about the Eagles and Giants number 3's to be able to accurately say. Kenny Wright should be an upgrade over Walt Harris but I haven't seen enough of him to say either.

So I'll concede Glenn is the best number 3 until proven otherwise

Sheldon Brown is their #1.

And he played well despite playing injured (he had surgery recently).

Sheppard struggled for them this year, but he too was hurt. He's a good #2.

Rod Hood I believe is their #3.

 

[MONT17]

my guess is if the OL is a C- then Bledsoe and Jules will be hard pressed to get a B!

 

[lspain1]

Cowboys:

QB: B- (this will improve if the OL improves obviously)
RB: B (Jones has to stay healthy for this to be higher)
WR: A (About the only question here will be the playcalling)
TE: A- (Witten is a proven commodity...Fasano should be at least as good as Campbell, but we don't know yet).
OL: D (until proven otherwise, right side and Kosier are huge question marks)
DE: B (The biggest question mark of the defense IMO).
LB: B+ (Ayodele and Carpenter should improve this unit).
DB: A (I still think Henry and Glenn are overrated, and aren't unquestionably the best 2 and 3 CBs in the division, but Newman is unquestionably the best number 1 at his position, as is Roy Williams).
ST: A (good in coverage and Vanderjagt is the best).

Commanders:

QB: B- (Brunell is a smart QB who doesn't make boneheaded mistakes)
RB: A (Portis is an every down player who blocks and plays with complete heart away from the ball. Betts and Cartwright are good depth).
WR: A- (Lots of quick explosive receivers, will they all pick up the Al Saunders offense well enough though)
TE: A- (Cooley came into his own last year, Robert Johnson and Fauria are great blockers)
OL: A- (We really hit a groove until Thomas went down against Dallas in both run blocking and pass blocking. Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas are All Pro caliber).
DL: B+ (Have to generate more pressure on their own for an A. Great run stoppers)
LB: B (We will be attacked at WLB without Lavar, someone has to step up. Will it be McIntosh?)
DB: A (If Springs and Taylor stays healthy, we are very good here. Our number 3, Kenny Wright, started for Jacksonville last year).
ST: B (We need a better kickoff specialist and punter. Hall is money under 40 and solid under 50).

An interesting perspective....I do question your grade on the Cowboys DL...I don't believe that unit has many question marks at all and depth has improved (although still a pretty young unit overall).

 

[Phoenix-Talon]

Sheldon Brown is the Eagles number 1 isn't he?

Just a little foot note about Sheldon Brown ...

...A tough cover corner, Brown was in his second year as the full-time starter in 2005 and proved to be one of the most consistent players on the defensive unit. Demonstrating his clutch play each and every week, Brown finished the season as one of three players in the NFL (Ravens LB Adalius Thomas and Seahawks CB Andre Dyson) to have at least 1 INT return for a TD and 1 fumble return for a TD. In addition, he led the Eagles with a career-high 4 INTs.

He's getting better each year and is complemented by Lito Sheppard.

 

[RiggoForever]

An interesting perspective....I do question your grade on the Cowboys DL...I don't believe that unit has many question marks at all and depth has improved (although still a pretty young unit overall).

It was mainly cause their young, and they struggled taking up blockers towards the end of the season, stopping the run, and freeing room for the LBs on passing downs.

To get an A in the 3-4, they have to have a guy that demands double teams consistently on passing downs, and allows Ware or Carpenter to rush in unimpeded, or at the worst have only a TE or HB to slow them down.

In the second game last year, Ware was the only pass rushing threat, and he was able to get close to beating Samuels but couldn't quite do it because Samuels was able to solely focus his attention on him.

I think they have the potential to get there, but aren't quite there yet. Remember when the Giants had their renowed 3-4, Banks and LT were great linebackers, but Jim Burt was an all pro NT and run stopper that demanded double teams, and Leonard Marshall was a DE that had double digit sacks. They were the unsung heros of that defense.

 

[menace]

Commanders/Cowboys

QB: B/B (they are both fighting age, but Bledsoe needs an O-line)
RB: A/B- (Julius Jones needs to have a healthy season)
WR: B/A (The skins have better depth, but the Boys' acquired TO)
TE: B/A- (Cooley has played well as a HB, but now he will be tested as a full-time TE)
OL: A/C- (enough said)


DL: B-/B+ (Dallas has a group of talented youngsters)
LB: B/B (We lost a playmaker in Arrington and will need to recover while the Boys' lost Nguyen)
DB: A/A (Roy Williams and Sean Taylor are proven playmakers. I'll give the Boys' the edge in the CB department because they have better depth, but we have Archuleta playing opposite Taylor)

 

[RiggoForever]

Just a little foot note about Sheldon Brown ...

...A tough cover corner, Brown was in his second year as the full-time starter in 2005 and proved to be one of the most consistent players on the defensive unit. Demonstrating his clutch play each and every week, Brown finished the season as one of three players in the NFL (Ravens LB Adalius Thomas and Seahawks CB Andre Dyson) to have at least 1 INT return for a TD and 1 fumble return for a TD. In addition, he led the Eagles with a career-high 4 INTs.

He's getting better each year and is complemented by Lito Sheppard.

He was tough, in one game Moss beat him for a long pass...but what impressed me is that after the catch Moss tried to fake him out (and he can fake out most anymone), but Brown didn't bite and tackled him immediately preventing a touchdown.

 

[Vintage]

It was mainly cause their young, and they struggled taking up blockers towards the end of the season, stopping the run, and freeing room for the LBs on passing downs.

To get an A in the 3-4, they have to have a guy that demands double teams consistently on passing downs, and allows Ware or Carpenter to rush in unimpeded, or at the worst have only a TE or HB to slow them down.

In the second game last year, Ware was the only pass rushing threat, and he was able to get close to beating Samuels but couldn't quite do it because Samuels was able to solely focus his attention on him.

I think they have the potential to get there, but aren't quite there yet. Remember when the Giants had the 3-4, Banks and LT were great linebackers, but Jim Burt was an all pro NT and run stopper that demanded double teams, and Leonard Marshall was a DE that had double digit sacks.

I agree. We've got nice depth in Canty, Spears, Ellis, Hatcher, Ratliff, Stanley, Johnson, and Ferguson....

A lot of youth, talent, and size...

However, only Ellis is the one who shown any consistancy....

Which is what you'd expect, really. Spears, Canty, Ratliff, and Johnson were all rookies....Stanley and Hatcher are rookies this year.

They've got potential.....but they need to improve and develop (which I am sure they will).

B seems reasonable on our DL.

 

[RiggoForever]

I agree. We've got nice depth in Canty, Spears, Ellis, Hatcher, Ratliff, Stanley, Johnson, and Ferguson....

A lot of youth, talent, and size...

However, only Ellis is the one who shown any consistancy....

Which is what you'd expect, really. Spears, Canty, Ratliff, and Johnson were all rookies....Stanley and Hatcher are rookies this year.

They've got potential.....but they need to improve and develop (which I am sure they will).

B seems reasonable on our DL.

Your defense is going to be good for a long time IMO. Remember it took the Giants about 3-4 years before they truly began to dominate in every way. Your secondary is already better then any of Parcells Giants teams.

As long as whomever replaces Parcells is a 3-4 guy and doesn't change schemes on you (not that I think Jones would allow it).