Ray Lewis says Cowboys Offense doesn't scare anyone

[visionary]

I couldn't find the video for this but Here is the audio.

Go to about the 14:45 mark and listen to what Ray Lewis had to say about the Cowboys offensive scheme.

He's right

 

[CowboyRoy]

You asked about one game, and not about any "alarming trend." Try to remember your own questions.

We ran 21 or so plays before the two-minute possession? Ran it 7 times, for little or no yardage on 5 of those runs, leading to tougher situations in the passing game. And we were having legitimate trouble run blocking a four man line. And none of us knows again how many run options Dak was given but didn't take, not that that bothers you when you're counting 'runs' and realize you didn't even have to take your shoes off. Let's just get mad at the number 7, because it seems low.

Nobody with any sense would have an issue with the number of running plays called in that situation.

You didn't ask if I had issues with the execution of the run blocking Sunday. Probably because that would be the smarter question.

Oh, and Jason Garrett does not call the plays in Dallas.

Other than that, you nailed it.

Yes, I have an issue with the drops. Both Dez' and Terrence's. I have an issue with Dak missing Witten twice and killing two more of our 7 second half possessions in the process.

LOL........so no one can ask a different question in a thread?

God help anyone that says anything bad about your hero Garrett!!!

But your right, Garrett doesnt do much around here. That halftime speech must have been one of his best too. And all those great halftime adjustments he spearheaded. LOL

What a great head coach we have. Always ahead of the curve.

There, now you can continue to spill your venomous insults at me you angry Garrett lover you.

 

[visionary]

Don't understand what's not truthful about his comments. Until we mix things up, this is how all teams will follow suit.

CZ homers won't hear it
Anything that implicates Garrett (no matter how accurate) is off limits

 

[DiResta]

teams are not scared by Dallas offense right now
because the line is not playing well together and so we dont run well yet.

but they feared last year
when Zeke was running over and around them they feared
it doesnt matter if a team knows what you gonna do people crying about Garretts offense
like Zeke says right here
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2017/09/13/ezekiel-elliott-getting-used-being-pro
we all know what we gonna do
but we gonna smash you up anyway

 

[Idgit]

LOL........so no one can ask a different question in a thread?

God help anyone that says anything bad about your hero Garrett!!!

Man, you really can't follow a train of thought that's any longer than a single car.

Ask whatever questions you want. Don't ask me one and then respond to my answer as if you'd asked me something completely different.

But your right, Garrett doesnt do much around here. That halftime speech must have been one of his best too. And all those great halftime adjustments he spearheaded. LOL

What a great head coach we have. Always ahead of the curve.

There, now you can continue to spill your venomous insults at me you angry Garrett lover you.

That last bit wasn't worth the time to break down. Quit the martyr routine, though. You're the one who asked me a question you hadn't bothered to think through carefully. Then, when I answered, you went straight to your sophomoric 'Garrett' routine. This was a perfectly nice thread about the design of the offense and a debate between design v. execution. Stop trying to drag it into the head coaching ditch.

 

[Zman5]

Denver's rookie HC said the same thing. He showed us it's true.

 

[Idgit]

Denver's rookie HC said the same thing. He showed us it's true.

It's not exactly news. It's what we've been trying to build for years, here.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Man, you really can't follow a train of thought that's any longer than a single car.

Ask whatever questions you want. Don't ask me one and then respond to my answer as if you'd asked me something completely different.



That last bit wasn't worth the time to break down. Quit the martyr routine, though. You're the one who asked me a question you hadn't bothered to think through carefully. Then, when I answered, you went straight to your sophomoric 'Garrett' routine. This was a perfectly nice thread about the design of the offense and a debate between design v. execution. Stop trying to drag it into the head coaching ditch.

OMG!!! More angry rants from the Garrett apologist. Sorry for insulting your hero

Maybe you can explain to me what Garrett did at halftime to make the Cowboys come out so ready and on fire in the 2nd half?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

This offense will not win 3 game in the postseason. You would need a really strong defense to get 3 wins in the postseason with this offense. It is slow, plodding and predictable.

How exactly was that different than last year?

We did not operate at a quick pace and we ran more than almost any team in the league. And other teams knew we would run. What wasn't predictable about that?

 

[Idgit]

OMG!!! More angry rants from the Garrett apologist. Sorry for insulting your hero

This probably seemed like an interesting and on-topic comment to post in your head, didn't it?

Seriously, though. I'm ok with talking about the thread topic with you if you want to get back to that, but let's stop making threads where you don't have an actual argument about me and the fact that you don't like that I like the head coach.

 

[Zman5]

It's not exactly news. It's what we've been trying to build for years, here.

Not news but another validation. Some people here still think it's not true.

 

[CowboyRoy]

This probably seemed like an interesting and on-topic comment to post in your head, didn't it?

Seriously, though. I'm ok with talking about the thread topic with you if you want to get back to that, but let's stop making threads where you don't have an actual argument about me and the fact that you don't like that I like the head coach.

I asked you a simple question about only running 7 times in the 2nd half and you went on your usual insult laden tirade about how could I be so foolish. LOL

Meanwhile the whole world is wondering why we ran ONLY 7 times. Getting stopped on 5 out of 7 times is no excuse for abandoning the run. The results show that quite plainly as we got mauled in the 2nd half. As far as Garrett the guy does nothing as you pointed out. Doesnt call plays, cant make adjustments at halftime, doesnt keep them in line when they are way up, cant pick them up when the game is slipping away. What does he do again exactly besides pat fannies and clap?

 

[visionary]

LOL........so no one can ask a different question in a thread?

God help anyone that says anything bad about your hero Garrett!!!

But your right, Garrett doesnt do much around here. That halftime speech must have been one of his best too. And all those great halftime adjustments he spearheaded. LOL

What a great head coach we have. Always ahead of the curve.

There, now you can continue to spill your venomous insults at me you angry Garrett lover you.

You're wasting your breath

 

[Idgit]

Not news but another validation. Some people here still think it's not true.

I think most of us recognize that the offense is predictable. That's been a topic for years around here. Let's not confuse 'predictability' with 'productivity,' though.

And that doesn't mean we don't need to be more productive on offense. This should consistently be a top-5 in terms of points/possession. Probably top 3. We're not performing at that rate right now. It's just that the reason we're not has more to do with miscues and missed opportunities than it does with the predictability of the scheme.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're wasting your breath

Idgit is still one of my favorites. Even though we fight like Tom and Jerry. His affections for Clappy are a bit much, but you have to admire his loyalty.

 

[Idgit]

I asked you a simple question about only running 7 times in the 2nd half and you went on your usual insult laden tirade about how could I be so foolish. LOL

That's not true. I answered your simple question with a simple on-topic answer. I didn't attack your logic until you ignored my response and tried to generalize it into yet another discussion about Jason Garrett. Don't mischaracterize the way it went down.

Back to your point about running it, then. Here's the play by play for that 2nd half, prior to the final drive that was all passes for obvious reasons. 8 runs, and it looks like 15 passes.

Let us know where we should have run it but didn't, if it's obvious to you. Then, if you can, let us know which of the passes were *not* RPOs where Dak chose to pass the ball but where a run option was actually called. I ask this, knowing you can't actually do it. Not to be difficult or to be pedantic. It's a fair question if you're going to criticize the play calling based solely on whether or not you saw somebody running with the ball.

1st and 10 at DAL 14
(13:10 - 3rd) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep right to D.Bryant.

2nd and 10 at DAL 14
(13:03 - 3rd) E.Elliott up the middle to DAL 30 for 16 yards (Co.Davis; R.Quinn).

1st and 10 at DAL 30
(12:22 - 3rd) E.Elliott left tackle to DAL 29 for -1 yards (A.Donald).

2nd and 11 at DAL 29
(11:39 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short left to C.Beasley to DAL 29 for no gain (N.Robey).

3rd and 11 at DAL 29
(11:01 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep middle to D.Bryant. Pass incomplete on a "slant" pattern.

4th and 11 at DAL 29
(10:54 - 3rd) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 44 yards to LA 27, Center-L.Ladouceur. T.Austin to LA 34 for 7 yards (J.Hanna).

1st and 10 at DAL 25
(7:26 - 3rd) E.Elliott right guard to DAL 27 for 2 yards (M.Barron).

2nd and 8 at DAL 27
(6:48 - 3rd) D.Prescott scrambles up the middle to DAL 39 for 12 yards (A.Ogletree).

1st and 10 at DAL 39
(6:06 - 3rd) R.Switzer right end pushed ob at DAL 42 for 3 yards (A.Ogletree).

2nd and 7 at DAL 42
(5:32 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep right to T.Williams (K.Webster).

3rd and 7 at DAL 42
(5:25 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short right to C.Beasley pushed ob at DAL 47 for 5 yards (N.Robey).

4th and 2 at DAL 47
(5:11 - 3rd) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 42 yards to LA 11, Center-L.Ladouceur. T.Austin to LA 18 for 7 yards (D.Wilson). PENALTY on LA-C.Littleton, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 8 yards, enforced at LA 18.

1st and 10 at DAL 25
(2:59 - 3rd) (Shotgun) E.Elliott left tackle to DAL 25 for no gain (M.Brockers).

2nd and 10 at DAL 25
(2:23 - 3rd) D.Prescott pass short right to E.Elliott ran ob at DAL 29 for 4 yards.

3rd and 6 at DAL 29
(1:42 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass incomplete deep right to D.Bryant.

4th and 6 at DAL 29
(1:37 - 3rd) (Punt formation) C.Jones punts 55 yards to LA 16, Center-L.Ladouceur. T.Austin to LA 22 for 6 yards (K.Smith). PENALTY on LA-M.Christian, Illegal Block Above the Waist, 10 yards, enforced at LA 22.

1st and 10 at DAL 21
(11:50 - 4th) E.Elliott right tackle to DAL 22 for 1 yard (K.Webster).

2nd and 9 at DAL 22
(11:17 - 4th) D.Prescott pass incomplete short left to D.Bryant.

3rd and 9 at DAL 22
(11:12 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Prescott sacked at DAL 18 for -4 yards (M.Brockers). FUMBLES (M.Brockers) [M.Brockers], RECOVERED by LA-M.Barron at DAL 29. M.Barron to DAL 29 for no gain (C.Beasley). The Replay Official reviewed the fumble ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle intended for C.Beasley INTERCEPTED by M.Barron [M.Brockers] at DAL 33. M.Barron to DAL 29 for 4 yards (C.Beasley).

1st and 10 at DAL 25
(9:41 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle to C.Beasley to DAL 37 for 12 yards (M.Barron).

1st and 10 at DAL 37
(9:41 - 4th) E.Elliott up the middle to DAL 42 for 5 yards (K.Webster).

2nd and 5 at DAL 42
(9:41 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle to D.Bryant to LA 46 for 12 yards (T.Johnson).

1st and 10 at LAR 46
(7:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Prescott pass short middle to D.Bryant to LA 28 for 18 yards (T.Johnson).

1st and 10 at LAR 28
(7:11 - 4th) James Hanna Pass From Dak Prescott for 28 Yrds TWO-POINT CONVERSION ATTEMPT. D.Prescott pass to T.Williams is incomplete. ATTEMPT FAILS.
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If you take the time to answer legitimately, I'll give you my own take, after.

 

[LocimusPrime]

It all comes down to how the current Cowboys offense has been built. Because Garrett's offense is so simplistic, it requires great individual talent on the OL and RB. That's why they had to spend three first rounders on Tyron, Frederick, and Martin. They were lucky to get Collins the way they did because he was probably a 1st round talent as well. Also, his offense is dependent on a GREAT RB, that's why it needs a workhorse like Demarco Murray or Zeke.

Unfortunately, this hasn't really been the winning formula for Super Bowl offenses in the last 10 years. SB teams don't usually spend so many resources on building the OL like that, they can manage to turn lesser-known players into serviceable starters. Same thing with RB - outside of Seattle and Marshawn, how many of the other recent SB winners had a great RB?

I'm not saying that drafting heavily on the OL and Zeke were bad moves - in fact, they were necessary for Garrett's offense. The problem is that due to Garrett's philosophy/scheme, we had to invest in those positions at the expense of defense over the last 7 years. Recent history shows that if your coaching/player development is worth a damn, you can win without a bunch of 1st rounders on the OL and a workhorse RB.

It's much easier to scheme to make average OL players into decent players. It's not as easy to do the same on defense...which seems to be the approach the Cowboys have taken. You spend the 1st round picks building your defense and then you can still win with the OL equivalents of the Benson Mayowas, Jack Crawfords, Terrell McClains, David Irvings, Tyrone Crawfords of the league. Instead, the Cowboys have done it backwards and now we have great individual talent on the OL that do not look so great vs. good defenses and mediocre talent on defense.

Excellent. Excellent.

 

[Zman5]

I think most of us recognize that the offense is predictable. That's been a topic for years around here. Let's not confuse 'predictability' with 'productivity,' though.

And that doesn't mean we don't need to be more productive on offense. This should consistently be a top-5 in terms of points/possession. Probably top 3. We're not performing at that rate right now. It's just that the reason we're not has more to do with miscues and missed opportunities than it does with the predictability of the scheme.

Some are still under the impression the scheme doesn't matter.

 

[DiResta]

Denver's rookie HC said the same thing. He showed us it's true.

a great defense doesnt fear any offense even a great offense
because they can match up well and they know if they can win on 1 down, put you in long they have a good chance even all pro verses all pro
but when the defense has a great secondary, better than your receivers AND they can stop or hurt your run
they can win
and thats why the Giants won last year, why Denver would had a good shot last year and so on

 

[Idgit]

You're wasting your breath

He is, but he enjoys it.

Whatever things I have to say about @CowboyRoy, he's got this over you in spades, visionary: he's not afraid to actually talk football. He may veer into the ditch now and then (we all do, if we post enough), but he does more than the drive-by insults to the team and to other posters. And he doesn't slink away when he's wrong, either. He keeps coming. He may be trailing the play by three strides like Jaylon Smith in coverage, or break an ankle like Jeff Heath in the open field, but he'll keep trailing and hobbling until the whistle.