Ray Lewis to Dallas? Heard a rumor...

[JVita17]

I just think where theres smoke heres fire

 

[Wrangler87]

Are you kidding? Those Cowboys had their fair share of folks who had run-ins with the law back then. Hollywood Henderson, Bob Hayes, Rafael Septien, Lance Rentzel. I could go on. Every team has individuals who make bonehead mistakes and break the law. I became a Cowboys fan because I fell in love with a guy named Tony Hill, then came to realize that the guys around him were pretty special too. They weren't perfect and they weren't saints. Who is? But they filled the hearts of a teenage girl who was just learning about football. I've been hooked ever since and I would never stop being a fan because Michael Irvin got caught with drugs or because Pacman and Tank Johnson were signed. I've been a fan of the team and the organization for 30 years and counting. I don't understand the jump ship mentality just because a few individuals are not perfect.

What's your point. I don't answer to you. I simply stated a fact. We sign Lewis, I'm through with them. If we don't, then great, good choice, and maybe we are learning something. Were any of the Cowboys of the 70's and 80's involved in the death of other people. What Septian did was terrible, but did not come out until later.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

yep.

I said it before and I'll say it again. This is the only guy on the planet that we could sign that would cause me to stop cheering for the Cowboys after 23 years. Though never proven guilty, I feel he was directly related to the outcome of the crime he was accused of and used his assets to get himself off the hook. I can not possibly allow myself to cheer for an individual that I feel was involved in a crime of that magnitude.

Had I known then what I know now about Pacman, I might have done it last year.

You have to draw the line somewhere. Some things are bigger than NFL football.

When I was 8 years old, I picked the Cowboys as my favorite team because they were the good guys. The Landry's, White's Dorsett's and Staubach's. The represented what was good about heroes. Over the years this team has changed. Now we are known as the team that will sign the biggest thug available. I can live with that to some extent. But, with Ray Lewis, I will draw the line.

But you were perfectly ok when it was star players only snorting coke, screwing hookers, being accused of raping a chick, stabbing their own teammates, and stuff like that.

You were ok with all of that, none of that was going to make you stop being a fan, but someone being allegedly involved in a murder and by God, no matter that there was never any evidence to actually prove he was a murder, you're turning in the fan card. Getting out of here as quick as you can in that instance huh?

Well, that's cool, I'm sure the Carolina Panthers could use another fan. They only had a player actually get convicted of having his girlfriend, who was pregnant, killed.

 

[Wrangler87]

Don't take this personally.

I work with cops, and I've covered civil and criminal cases.

I also have some understanding how interrogations work. Lawyers and police officers aren't unaffected by politics anymore than the rest of us. And if there's a person who is a celebrity involved in a high-profile case, they're going to look at that person. It's called getting the big fish, and in this case, Ray Lewis was the big fish.

Second, if this is your world, then you know that the civil and criminal systems are different animals.

Of course, the families of the two victims (Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar) can sue Ray Lewis in civil court. They merely have to argue that Ray Lewis was someway involved in a crime that resulted in the death of their loved ones. And since he has money, the victims' families are going to go after Ray Lewis. That doesn't mean that he committed the crimes. All it means is that he attempted to shield the true perpetrators from justice.

The burden of proof is different in a criminal trial compared to a civil trial.

A criminal trial tries to determine if you were a participant in a crime; the civil trial tries to determine if you are in any way a responsible party whether you committed the crime or not.

Maybe I do more than just work with Cops. I know how this all works. I live it on a daily basis. It is my world and if you are naive you will be made a fool.

You don't have to be a genius to read the tea leaves on the Lewis episode.

You can try to explain off each individual part of the case, but when you take the whole episode in it's entirety, it points you in only one direction.

You can choose to believe what you want. I see it for what it is.

 

[Wrangler87]

But you were perfectly ok when it was star players only snorting coke, screwing hookers, being accused of raping a chick, stabbing their own teammates, and stuff like that.

You were ok with all of that, none of that was going to make you stop being a fan, but someone being allegedly involved in a murder and by God, no matter that there was never any evidence to actually prove he was a murder, you're turning in the fan card. Getting out of here as quick as you can in that instance huh?

Well, that's cool, I'm sure the Carolina Panthers could use another fan. They only had a player actually get convicted of having his girlfriend, who was pregnant, killed.

Yep. I just hope he doesn't sign.

 

[TNCowboy]

What's your point. I don't answer to you. I simply stated a fact. We sign Lewis, I'm through with them. If we don't, then great, good choice, and maybe we are learning something. Where any of the Cowboys of the 70's and 80's involved in the death of other people. What Septian did was terrible, but did not come out until later.

I was about to post that. It's not as though it happened or was known while he was playing.

 

[5Countem5]

I don't see how you can even exist in that world and be as naive as you appear to be.

Requiring proof before believing something is not naive.

I'm skeptical of everything - that's my world.

 

[Wrangler87]

Requiring proof before believing something is not naive.

I'm skeptical of everything - that's my world.

Yeah. If you live your life requiring proof to come to every conclusion you ever come to.

 

[5Countem5]

Yeah. If you live your life requiring proof to come to every conclusion you ever come to.

Yeah, silly me and the whole proof deal.


Sometimes I wish I was gullible enough to just believe what someone like Werder says...well, actually that's a lie.

 

[tyke1doe]

Maybe I do more than just work with Cops. I know how this all works. I live it on a daily basis. It is my world and if you are naive you will be made a fool.

I would say that the Fulton County DA's office was made to look like a fool. It brought murder charges against Ray Lewis and had to accept obstruction of justice.

There's NO WAY a DA allows a defendant on trial to accept a lesser charge unless that office knows it can't get anything else. And to bring charges against Ray Lewis and not get a murder conviction made the Fulton County DA's office look foolish.

You don't have to be a genius to read the tea leaves on the Lewis episode.

And neither do you have to be a genius to see that the police and DA royally screwed up.

You can try to explain off each individual part of the case, but when you take the whole episode in it's entirety, it points you in only one direction.

Right, obstruction of justice.

Individual parts suggested Ray Lewis murdered these two guys. But not ONE witness testified to that in court. Not one.

Now, maybe, one witness recants or changes testimony. That's believeable. But every last one?

And then there's no follow-up about why these individuals recanted their statements?

C'mon.

You can choose to believe what you want. I see it for what it is.

Right. A guilty plea for obstruction of justice. That's seeing it for what it is.

If this is your world, you can't come to any other conclusion, especially when you don't have any hard evidence.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

What's your point. I don't answer to you. I simply stated a fact. We sign Lewis, I'm through with them. If we don't, then great, good choice, and maybe we are learning something. Were any of the Cowboys of the 70's and 80's involved in the death of other people. What Septian did was terrible, but did not come out until later.

My point is that the Landry Cowboys had just as many issues as the current Cowboys. So did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The difference is we were winning then. If we had just won the Super Bowl, I bet you wouldn't be contemplating jumping ship for any reason whatsoever. That's my point.

 

[Doomsday101]

My point is that the Landry Cowboys had just as many issues as the current Cowboys. So did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The difference is we were winning then. If we had just won the Super Bowl, I bet you wouldn't be contemplating jumping ship for any reason whatsoever. That's my point.

If you were a problem player under Landry you did not stay around very long.

 

[Wrangler87]

Now, maybe, one witness recants or changes testimony. That's believeable. But every last one?

Thank you. That's my point. Funny how every last one of the witnesses suddenly saw it differently, huh? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You're learning.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ray Lewis didn't murder anyone. Obstructing justice? Yes. But he was no murderer.

The Fulton County DA's office was quick to charge Ray with murder (trying to seize upon a celebrity), but anyone who followed that case knew that was an idiotic charge and the DA had no chance of getting a murder conviction.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy rant.

Yet . . . .
It was proven that Lewis orchestrated the getaway, right? And blood was found on Lewis' clothing, at his home. And Lewis told people to shut up re the case. And Lewis did plea down to the obstruction, right?

And, let me add, O.J. was never technically found guilty of two murders in California. So I guess he is innocent, too.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

If you were a problem player under Landry you did not stay around very long.

I agree. He got rid of both Duane Thomas and Hollywood Henderson. But the fact is, we had problem players back then too. Several people on this board have threatened to "turn in their fan card." Why jump ship now if you didn't back then? I certainly wouldn't let Ray Lewis or any other individual influence my fandom. But that's just me, I guess.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

My point is that the Landry Cowboys had just as many issues as the current Cowboys. So did the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. The difference is we were winning then. If we had just won the Super Bowl, I bet you wouldn't be contemplating jumping ship for any reason whatsoever. That's my point.

Actually, sorry to further dispell the Landry Myth: From the late 1970s to 1989 when Jimma and jerra arrived, landry won squat. They sure were not winning then and they still had characters.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. He got rid of both Duane Thomas and Hollywood Henderson. But the fact is, we had problem players back then too. Several people on this board have threatened to "turn in their fan card." Why jump ship now if you didn't back then? I certainly wouldn't let Ray Lewis or any other individual influence my fandom. But that's just me, I guess.

Yes we had players get into trouble times were also very different. Players going into a bar and getting into a fight was not much of a story or issue today they would be big issues. Time are different with as much money that is invested in players as well public preception is different. Growing up a DWI was not a big issue today it can be a very big and costly issue. I agree that would not cause me to no longer be a fan heck may as well not be a fan of any team since all teams deal with the same kind of stuff. Didn't Marvin Harrison recently get into an off the field problem? I doubt Colt fans are going to stop being colt fans.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

Actually, sorry to further dispell the Landry Myth: From the late 1970s to 1989 when Jimma and jerra arrived, landry won squat. They sure were not winning then and they still had characters.

True, but I still stick to my winning is the best deodorant theory. Pittsburgh beating us to six has some folks standing on the ledge. If we were successful right now, no one would be *****ing and moaning about TO, Pacman, Tank, Romo, Ray Lewis or anybody else.

 

[adbutcher]

I know this guy...
who works at Walmart. And he sold toilet paper to this lady who's married to this other guy who works on a golf course... and he overheard these 2 guys talking about this girl who waits tables at this place where this guy and his wife were talking about this man who drives a cab and ran into this dude who works for this other guy that knows this person who talked to this boy that delivers pizza to this woman who said she heard the Dallas Cowboys are going to trade for Peyton Manning.

Some of you guys are on a roll today.

 

[CF74]

Ray Lewis is like the Apostle Paul of the NFL or so it seems. Here's a guy who now goes above and beyond to do the right thing to make up for his past. Like majorly over compensating for past guilt or past transgressions, just like Paul did after his conversion, to the point that it's kind of annoying to watch and if you have any experience, you can see right through it.