Ray Lewis to Dallas? Heard a rumor...

[Doomsday101]

Actually, sorry to further dispell the Landry Myth: From the late 1970s to 1989 when Jimma and jerra arrived, landry won squat. They sure were not winning then and they still had characters.

Late 70's as in 77 and 78 season? Dallas was in the SB twice beating Denver and losing by 4 in one of the best SB played vs pitt. 80's still saw Dallas a contending team until the mid 80's

 

[Bleu Star]

I just think where theres smoke heres fire

The Most Overused Phrase This Off-season Award goes to you. Congrats.

 

[tyke1doe]

Thank you. That's my point. Funny how every last one of the witnesses suddenly saw it differently, huh? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

You're learning.

Right. So the government has sworn statements from "witnesses" that Ray Lewis was involved in the stabbing and doesn't/can't use any of these statements in court to contradict their own witnesses?

Were the prosecutors THAT dumb?

If these statements were so credible, you march up to the stand and you read the statements they've made, if you're convinced Ray Lewis is your man. But the government had little confidence in the statements, which is why it cut a deal with Ray Lewis.

You're letting your suspicions get in the way of fact and evidence. So if it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$ I assume you have a money trail then that you can produce for evidence?

I mean, you're in this world so you know what the "rules of evidence" mean?

 

[tyke1doe]

Yet . . . .
It was proven that Lewis orchestrated the getaway, right? And blood was found on Lewis' clothing, at his home. And Lewis told people to shut up re the case. And Lewis did plea down to the obstruction, right?

But that doesn't constitute murder.

It is plausible that Lewis knew a fight took place, wanted to get his crew out of there and in trying to hustle his crew out, got blood on himself. (BTW, I don't think those clothes were ever found so we don't know this for sure, do we?)

It is also reasonable to assume that Ray Lewis does not want his name connected with this incident, which is why he fled.

That's what I believe happened.

As for the plea down, Ray Lewis didn't want to chance a jury possibly finding him guilty of murder. That's why he took the deal. Even though I don't think the jury would have convicted him, you don't roll the dice on a deal like that.

But rest assure, prosecutors HARDLY EVER swing a plea deal like this unless ...

a.) the family just doesn't want to endure a lengthy trial and is pressing for closure
b.) the government wants to spare the expense of a trial (at taxpayer dollar, of course)
c.) the suspect has information that could solve additional/other criminal cases or
d.) the government has had its butt handed to it so thoroughly during a trial that it wants to save face and come away with something as opposed to nothing.

Uh, I'll take "What is D" for $2,000, Alex.

And, let me add, O.J. was never technically found guilty of two murders in California. So I guess he is innocent, too.

Totally different situation. You had direct evidence linking O.J. to the crime scene, and there was no reasonable explanation why his blood should have been there, other than the fact he was involved in the crime.

 

[Clove]

But that doesn't constitute murder.

It is plausible that Lewis knew a fight took place, wanted to get his crew out of there and in trying to hustle his crew out, got blood on himself. (BTW, I don't think those clothes were ever found so we don't know this for sure, do we?)

It is also reasonable to assume that Ray Lewis does not want his name connected with this incident, which is why he fled.

That's what I believe happened.

As for the plea down, Ray Lewis didn't want to chance a jury possibly finding him guilty of murder. That's why he took the deal. Even though I don't think the jury would have convicted him, you don't roll the dice on a deal like that.

But rest assure, prosecutors HARDLY EVER swing a plea deal like this unless ...

a.) the family just doesn't want to endure a lengthy trial and is pressing for closure
b.) the government wants to spare the expense of a trial (at taxpayer dollar, of course)
c.) the suspect has information that could solve additional/other criminal cases or
d.) the government has had its butt handed to it so thoroughly during a trial that it wants to save face and come away with something as opposed to nothing.

Uh, I'll take "What is D" for $2,000, Alex.



Totally different situation. You had direct evidence linking O.J. to the crime scene, and there was no reasonable explanation why his blood should have been there, other than the fact he was involved in the crime.

So far, it looks like you're schooling someone.

Anyways, if someone wants to leave the team for any reason, don't argue with them, let their ***** go. We need to dump several thousand more for that matter.

 

[Wrangler87]

Right. So the government has sworn statements from "witnesses" that Ray Lewis was involved in the stabbing and doesn't/can't use any of these statements in court to contradict their own witnesses?

Were the prosecutors THAT dumb?

If these statements were so credible, you march up to the stand and you read the statements they've made, if you're convinced Ray Lewis is your man. But the government had little confidence in the statements, which is why it cut a deal with Ray Lewis.

You're letting your suspicions get in the way of fact and evidence. So if it's all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$ I assume you have a money trail then that you can produce for evidence?

I mean, you're in this world so you know what the "rules of evidence" mean?

And I also know that if you have enough money, and can get a good enough lawyer, you can get out of just about anything, unfortunately. And if the case is strong enough that not even a good lawyer can get you out of something......you take other measures to asure you're not found guilty.

Man. You really don't know do you.

I mean, what did you expect the DA to do? All of his witnesses suddenly and inexplicibly ($) changed there testimony. You still have some circumstantial evidence and you still have some solid physical evidence. But, without your witnesses, you case loses it's power. Now, the defendent is willing to plead out. Seems to have worked out well for him some how. Knowing how strapped you are for funds (all DA offices are) your choices are limited . You take what you can get and ironically enough the defendant is more than willing to plead out, even though is so not guilty (right). And, oh by the way, the defendant then sends some ($) to the victims family so they won't sue him for wrongful death in a civil suit.


$$$$$$$$

 

[Wrangler87]

So far, it looks like you're schooling someone.

Anyways, if someone wants to leave the team for any reason, don't argue with them, let their ***** go. We need to dump several thousand more for that matter.

Sounds more like he's an apologist for someone.

And more than a bit naive.

 

[Wrangler87]

But that doesn't constitute murder.

It is plausible that Lewis knew a fight took place, wanted to get his crew out of there and in trying to hustle his crew out, got blood on himself. (BTW, I don't think those clothes were ever found so we don't know this for sure, do we?)

It is also reasonable to assume that Ray Lewis does not want his name connected with this incident, which is why he fled.

That's what I believe happened.

As for the plea down, Ray Lewis didn't want to chance a jury possibly finding him guilty of murder. That's why he took the deal. Even though I don't think the jury would have convicted him, you don't roll the dice on a deal like that.

But rest assure, prosecutors HARDLY EVER swing a plea deal like this unless ...

a.) the family just doesn't want to endure a lengthy trial and is pressing for closure
b.) the government wants to spare the expense of a trial (at taxpayer dollar, of course)
c.) the suspect has information that could solve additional/other criminal cases or
d.) the government has had its butt handed to it so thoroughly during a trial that it wants to save face and come away with something as opposed to nothing.

Uh, I'll take "What is D" for $2,000, Alex.



Totally different situation. You had direct evidence linking O.J. to the crime scene, and there was no reasonable explanation why his blood should have been there, other than the fact he was involved in the crime.

It sounds like if Ray Lewis told you the moon was made of cheese, you would believe him.

I'm glad you are not in law enforcement.

 

[tyke1doe]

It sounds like if Ray Lewis told you the moon was made of cheese, you would believe him.

LOL! Is this the best you can do.

I'm glad you are not in law enforcement.

I'm glad I'm not either. But what difference does that make?

I've read cases where police officers have abused their authority whether in coercing testimony and confessions, shooting unarmed victims, raping women after traffic stops, etc.

Yes, these things have occurred.

You have good police officers, diligent police officers, by the book police officers and then you have crocked officers, sloppy investigators and police officers that will bend the rules to get a conviction.

So please spare me. Your profession is no more innocent than mine.

The difference between you and I is at least I will articulate the guidelines and principles of my craft, i.e., when it is or isn't appropriate to use anonymous sources and why I don't believe Ed Werder made up anonymous sources.

Could I be wrong? Of course. But if I articulate the principles then it takes it out of my opinion and makes my position more objective.

So tell me, please, what principles are you using when you accuse Ray Lewis of paying off witnesses? How do you know this? What guidelines can you articulate that clues us in whether this occurs or not?

I'll be waiting.

 

[Q_the_man]

He signs here, I'll have some Cowboys gear on E-Bay the next day.

I will remember this post. I think if Ray Ray signs I will put this post and a couple of other quotes from u on u not been a fan if we sign Ray Ray.

P.S. What kind of gear u have and is it in great condition.:laugh1:

 

[Rampage]

It sounds like if Ray Lewis told you the moon was made of cheese, you would believe him.

I'm glad you are not in law enforcement.

would you turn in your fan card if Jerry signed Vick?

 

[Clove]

I will remember this post. I think if Ray Ray signs I will put this post and a couple of other quotes from u on u not been a fan if we sign Ray Ray.

P.S. What kind of gear u have and is it in great condition.:laugh1:

If he has a Ware jersey, I'm claiming it now!!

 

[Cowboys2008]

And tonight possibly when we're talking to a friend or loved one..

We all heard from this one guy who posted this "article" on CowboysZone that Ray Lewis might be coming to Dallas.

Reality wake up call, people, we're sitting in a "dental office". And until anything actually happens, in any area not just Ray Lewis, we're all reading and passing on unsubstantiated rumors. Because nothing is fact until it is fact in this league. 99% of everything is practically hog-wash that we read and comment on on this board. Until it's actually fact, that's what it is. I don't care what "accredited" source it's coming from, ESPN, NFL Network, DFWN, dallascowboys.com, cowboyszone or the guy at the dentist office who says he's got a "connection", it is what it is until it's actually fact.

 

[ljs44]

Didn't realize this would cause such a thread. LOL.

 

[PullMyFinger]

I heard it from a friend who.....
Heard it from a friend who.....
Heard it from another.....

 

[28 Joker]

Jello and expensive Jello

It doesn't stick to the wall.

 

[5Countem5]

......you take other measures to asure you're not found guilty.

Martha Stewart seemed to have a lot of money

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

My cousin's brother in law who's friends with the janitor at the Ravens facilities said...

 

[Beast_from_East]

I just dont see the Ravens letting Ray Ray walk.


As far as the Boyz signing him, I guess it wouldnt be that bad. My major hang-up is that he is 34 yrs old and is probably looking to cash in one more time before he retires.

I am not sure how much he has left in the tank.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

honestly I would rather have Bart Scott or Suggs.