Ray Lewis to Dallas? Heard a rumor...

[Hostile]

The reason the Ravens cut Chris McAllister today is to free up money to re-sign Lewis and Suggs.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

The reason the Ravens cut Chris McAllister today is to free up money to re-sign Lewis and Suggs.

Suggs will prob. be franchised again.

 

[Hoofbite]

Well I know a lady who does colonic procedures for the equipment manager of one of the local community college teams in that area. This particular equipment manager just happens to be the brother of a janitor for the Ravens facility and from what this janitor heard, Ray lewis is definitely going to be in Baltimore next year.

 

[tyke1doe]

And I also know that if you have enough money, and can get a good enough lawyer, you can get out of just about anything, unfortunately. And if the case is strong enough that not even a good lawyer can get you out of something......you take other measures to asure you're not found guilty.

So the Fulton County District Attorney's office prosecutes Ray Lewis, knowing that he is a millionaire but doesn't put on its best case. Yeah, who's da foolish one?

Man. You really don't know do you.

I know the difference between evidence and speculation.

I mean, what did you expect the DA to do?

Uh, file obstruction of justice charges instead of murder charges?

All of his witnesses suddenly and inexplicibly ($) changed there testimony. You still have some circumstantial evidence and you still have some solid physical evidence. But, without your witnesses, you case loses it's power. Now, the defendent is willing to plead out. Seems to have worked out well for him some how. Knowing how strapped you are for funds (all DA offices are) your choices are limited . You take what you can get and ironically enough the defendant is more than willing to plead out, even though is so not guilty (right). And, oh by the way, the defendant then sends some ($) to the victims family so they won't sue him for wrongful death in a civil suit.
$$$$$$$$

First, what physical evidence? No knife was produced with Ray's fingerprints and the blood of the two victims? No clothes with the victims' blood was introduced into evidence. So what is this evidence you speak of? As for the witnesses, we have this jewel.

The lone person sticking to his assertion that Lewis acted violently has been Chester Anderson, not exactly an ideal witness. Anderson is an admitted con artist in jail on identification fraud charges. This has given the defense the opportunity to attack Anderson’s credibility, suggesting that he is falsely testifying in hopes of winning leniency in his own legal problems.

Yeah, that Chester Anderson sure sounds like a winner.

Second, your argument is a bit insulting to the Fulton County DA's office. So a cash -trapped DA's office goes after Ray Lewis on murder charges, knowing he's going to hire the best lawyer and knowing that based on the evidence, all it has is Ray obstructing justice. That much was very much clear. Yet, it decides to go ahead with the murder charges even though the DA finally agrees to obstruction of justice all along?
And as I pointed out before, Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice because he didn't want to take his chances with a jury. As much faith as we have in the jury system, it can produce some strange decisions, i.e., the O.J. Simpson trial.
Besides, he spent no time in jail for obstruction of justice and was able to resume his career.

Third, of course, Ray Lewis paid the victims' family. It's called "I want this episode in my life to be over." Many companies settle out of court because they don't want the negative publicity a trial brings. The family wants some money from this case, and with Ray Lewis being a millionaire, you can bet they're going to sue. And Ray, wanting to resume his career, is going to settle.

You're a law enforcement official, and you don't understand this?

 

[InDakWeTrust]

LOL! Is this the best you can do.



I'm glad I'm not either. But what difference does that make?

I've read cases where police officers have abused their authority whether in coercing testimony and confessions, shooting unarmed victims, raping women after traffic stops, etc.

Yes, these things have occurred.

You have good police officers, diligent police officers, by the book police officers and then you have crocked officers, sloppy investigators and police officers that will bend the rules to get a conviction.

So please spare me. Your profession is no more innocent than mine.

The difference between you and I is at least I will articulate the guidelines and principles of my craft, i.e., when it is or isn't appropriate to use anonymous sources and why I don't believe Ed Werder made up anonymous sources.

Could I be wrong? Of course. But if I articulate the principles then it takes it out of my opinion and makes my position more objective.

So tell me, please, what principles are you using when you accuse Ray Lewis of paying off witnesses? How do you know this? What guidelines can you articulate that clues us in whether this occurs or not?

I'll be waiting.

He seems like he is making a conclusion on the fact that he was never proven guilty of murder or manslaughter, but he chooses to judge Lewis based on the fact that witnesses recant on their testimony.

I ask Wrangler how many witnesses changed their stories? What evidence did the DA decline to use to show Lewis' involvement and guilt? Why does the fact a civil case shows Lewis' guilt? I really wonder why people are so quick to judge someone for the government and DA's shortcomings. Obviously Lewis' friends also didn't have enough evidence either to be placed in jail either because they weren't charged.

Wrangler, although I respect your views on the Ray Lewis trial, I truly believe that you are innocent until proven guilty, and obviously the DA didn't have enough hard evidence to go through with the prosecution. I would really like to see where and how badly the evidence gathering was in this case because I feel that Lewis had some part, but just simply shoddy police work. But he wasn't, and BTW you really need to do some research as to who some of the witnesses are supposedly. One is a con artist who was in prison shortly after the trial began, thus showing that possibly he had his own purpose financially to give testimony that Ray Lewis truly was involved in the violent crime. If you haven't already, just read this article about the soft evidence.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/06/04/lewis_agreement/

 

[CliffnDallas]

I have only had one thing to come out of a dental Hygienist mouth I trusted. And it wasn't a rumor.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

ahh

dont yall just love the i know somebody, who knows somebody who heard from someone threads:laugh1:

thanks for the info though. whether true or not always good to hear some inside info

 

[Jon88]

I hope so. Its obvious we need to add star players here to make a team.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

And then appears to have paid off the witnesses to change testimony.


I wouldn't have this guy for nothing in the world.

He signs here, I'll have some Cowboys gear on E-Bay the next day.

what ever, have fun believing in speculation

then man was found not guilty

go ahead and turn in ya fan card. you were probably never a real fan in the 1st place. a die hard fan wouldnt make a comment like that

have fun with ya new teams. eagle fans may take you lol

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

But that doesn't constitute murder.

It is plausible that Lewis knew a fight took place, wanted to get his crew out of there and in trying to hustle his crew out, got blood on himself. (BTW, I don't think those clothes were ever found so we don't know this for sure, do we?)

It is also reasonable to assume that Ray Lewis does not want his name connected with this incident, which is why he fled.

That's what I believe happened.

As for the plea down, Ray Lewis didn't want to chance a jury possibly finding him guilty of murder. That's why he took the deal. Even though I don't think the jury would have convicted him, you don't roll the dice on a deal like that.

But rest assure, prosecutors HARDLY EVER swing a plea deal like this unless ...

a.) the family just doesn't want to endure a lengthy trial and is pressing for closure
b.) the government wants to spare the expense of a trial (at taxpayer dollar, of course)
c.) the suspect has information that could solve additional/other criminal cases or
d.) the government has had its butt handed to it so thoroughly during a trial that it wants to save face and come away with something as opposed to nothing.

Uh, I'll take "What is D" for $2,000, Alex.



Totally different situation. You had direct evidence linking O.J. to the crime scene, and there was no reasonable explanation why his blood should have been there, other than the fact he was involved in the crime.

pure ether!!

job well done schooling these cats

 

[the kid 05]

Mike Vick told me that Ray was Dallas bound as well.

Was vick your cellmate?

nope he was Vicks "female dog"

i kid i kid

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

Because he has heart.

 

[CATCH17]

Did you seriously need to post this?

 

[DallasDW00ds0n]

lol are you offended? you gonna tell the guys in the locker room?

 

[Apollo Creed]

lol are you offended? you gonna tell the guys in the locker room?

We just need a player half as good as the guy in your sig, and we'll be set for a while.

 

[jobberone]

It's called nuisance suits. And because the loser doesn't pay all attornies fees in this country and all court costs you have them all the time. It's cheaper to settle than to litigate even if you're totally innocent. And the public relations disaster a real court case brings is much more costly than settling a nuisance suit. And then there's always the sympathy factor. Little Lucy at four years old is likely to get a sympathy award no matter what the "evidence" is. And it will stay that way because the lawyers and all always make money no matter whose side they're on. And the reason the DA brought Ray Lewis into it was because he 1) either was forced to by the weight of the evidence at the time, 2) forced to by the weight of the public's perception if he didn't do it, and/or 3) because a high dollar person like Ray buys the DA and his cronies a great deal of political exposure. Many DAs use that capital to enter politics as it gives them a face and public exposure just like some attornies take on unpopular big cases to get them into the public limelight. It's all about money in the end.