Ray Rice

[This is Our Year]

The only reason a RB might be ok at #28 is this RB class is a lot deeper than the WR class. We might not have any of the WRs on our board as 1st round talents by the time we get to pick #28.

 

[hendog]

Not the biggest RR fan but I'd have to say that he does remind me of Emmitt and he seems to "avoid" the big hit.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not the biggest RR fan but I'd have to say that he does remind me of Emmitt and he seems to "avoid" the big hit.

that's sacreligious

 

[DaBoys4Life]

lol how this thread turn into a CJ thread

Pimp Ray Rice guys

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I'm not so sure i'm sold on Rice. He was a nice college player, but who did Rutgers play? When you're given the ball 30 times a game, you'll have decent yardage. Each year, his carries went up and his yards went up, but, his average per carry went down.

Running well against the likes of South Florida, Navy, Syracuse and Louisville does nothing for me. I'm not saying he won't be a good back up, but I'm not sure he's the back some on this board thinks he is.

 

[The Rawhide Kid]

I'm not so sure i'm sold on Rice. He was a nice college player, but who did Rutgers play? When you're given the ball 30 times a game, you'll have decent yardage. Each year, his carries went up and his yards went up, but, his average per carry went down.

Running well against the likes of South Florida, Navy, Syracuse and Louisville does nothing for me. I'm not saying he won't be a good back up, but I'm not sure he's the back some on this board thinks he is.

That's the question with CJ as well. It's hard to tell how good a RB is when they play teams like Memphis, UNC, and the like.

 

[theogt]

I'm not so sure i'm sold on Rice. He was a nice college player, but who did Rutgers play? When you're given the ball 30 times a game, you'll have decent yardage. Each year, his carries went up and his yards went up, but, his average per carry went down.

Running well against the likes of South Florida, Navy, Syracuse and Louisville does nothing for me. I'm not saying he won't be a good back up, but I'm not sure he's the back some on this board thinks he is.

That's the question with CJ as well. It's hard to tell how good a RB is when they play teams like Memphis, UNC, and the like.

Level of competition is certainly a knock on Rice. But in games that he had over 30 carries, he had a 5.2 YPC. That's impressive no matter who you're playing against. You can't say "he had a lot of yards because he carried the ball a lot" because he had a very high YPC DESPITE carrying the ball so much.

 

[This is Our Year]

I'm 10 times as high on Rice than Johnson, granted I've only seen highlights of Johnson but Ray Rice has great vision which is, well pretty important for RBs.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Level of competition is certainly a knock on Rice. But in games that he had over 30 carries, he had a 5.2 YPC. That's impressive no matter who you're playing against. You can't say "he had a lot of yards because he carried the ball a lot" because he had a very high YPC DESPITE carrying the ball so much.

His splits in the second and fourth quarter were abysmal under 4 yards a carry.

 

[theogt]

His splits in the second and fourth quarter were abysmal under 4 yards a carry.

Who has his splits posted?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

1st
122 657 5.39 7

2nd
96 414 4.31 9

3rd
99 698 7.05 4

4th
63 243 3.86 4

He starts off halves strong then drops in production. that could be very a myriad of reasons though.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

do you have CJ's splits?

 

[TheCount]

1st
122 657 5.39 7

2nd
96 414 4.31 9

3rd
99 698 7.05 4

4th
63 243 3.86 4

He starts off halves strong then drops in production. that could be very a myriad of reasons though.

I thought you said his 2nd and 4th quarter production was "abysmal", from your numbers looks like he's getting over 4 in the 2nd, comes out like a lion in the 3rd and barely dips under 4 ypc in the 4th on fewer opportunities in general.

 

[31smackdown]

He is one of the few backs I have seen on video who actually had to and could make people miss with his lateral quickness in both directions, on inside and outside runs. Most of these other backs with better lines just ran straight through holes or around ends with pure speed. That is actually what scares my about a lot of the other guys, even DMac.. they were all just faster than 90% of their competition so there was no need to set up blocks or juke someone out, they just take an angle and run past everyone. I see Rice as similar to Emmitt in that he turns a lot of 4 yard runs into 10-12 yard runs by mking people miss and using his blocking.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought you said his 2nd and 4th quarter production was "abysmal", from your numbers looks like he's getting over 4 in the 2nd, comes out like a lion in the 3rd and barely dips under 4 ypc in the 4th on fewer opportunities in general.

This is college not the pros.

The 120th 'best' YPC in college football was 4.7.

Yeah i would say those 2nd and 4th quarter stats were pretty bad.

 

[TheCount]

This is college not the pros.

The 120th 'best' YPC in college football was 4.7.

Yeah i would say those 2nd and 4th quarter stats were pretty bad.

Now you're talking total game YPC, Rice had a 5.3 YPC over the year. You can't just keep flip-flopping how you're considering the numbers.

If that's the case, Rice had 5.3 YPC to DMAC's 5.6, and Rice did it without a gimmick offense.

 

[theogt]

Now you're talking total game YPC, Rice had a 5.3 YPC over the year. You can't just keep flip-flopping how you're considering the numbers.

If that's the case, Rice had 5.3 YPC to DMAC's 5.6, and Rice did it without a gimmick offense.

This post should have been signed: "Boo Ya!"

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Now you're talking total game YPC, Rice had a 5.3 YPC over the year. You can't just keep flip-flopping how you're considering the numbers.

If that's the case, Rice had 5.3 YPC to DMAC's 5.6, and Rice did it without a gimmick offense.

I am sorry that I don't have the splits for the entire NCAA per quarter but that doesn't mean that its a bad benchmark.

All I am saying is that 4 YPC is not a good bench mark for college runners. its not even a good bench mark in the pros anymore seeing that 4.5 YPC would have ranked you 20th in the NFL.

In the NCAA Div 1, 5 YPC would rank you 90th in the nation. I don't see that as being a bad mendoza line.

I don't think its out of line to say that he was below average in the second quarter and bad in the fourth. 3.6 YPC is bad any way you want to look at it.

As for McFadden, if you mean by gimmick that every team was loading up to stop him with an SEC defense and he had no QB or passing game then you have a point.

Ray Rice had a 3000 yard passer and 2 1000 yard receivers helping him.

That being said he showed up in big games. Putting up 120+ yards against UWV, USF, Louisville and Ball State for his bowl game.

 

[Sarge]

This post should have been signed: "Boo Ya!"

:laugh2:

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:laugh2:

I see youre still trolling my posts riding other people's coattails. it would be nice if you actually brought something worthwhile to the discussion but you never so.

remember, youre the small dog.