Ray Rice?

[KJJ]

Ray's incident plays a significant part in why he isn't on a team right now. So does the fact that he isn't good anymore. He had a bad 2013 season and looked poor during the 2014 pre-season. If he showed anything during the pre-season last year the Ravens don't cut him. He is done.

He's not on a team because no one wants to take on the PR nightmare and distraction he would bring...fact! He wasn't released by the Ravens until that video surfaced so you're in complete denial if you think it was his 2014 preseason performance that got him cut. What a ridiculous comment! Rice had one bad year in which he received the fewest carries since his rookie year but he still provided 58 receptions in the passing game. He had more yards and TD's in 2013 than McFadden had last season in Oakland.

He had 4 straight 1100 plus yard seasons until the 2013 season so even though he may be on the decline had that incident never occurred he would be on a team and there's no doubt about it. He's done alright and it's not because he has nothing left in the tank as a football player. Even backs that look done are picked up by other teams for depth so it's ridiculous to try and spin Rice is done because he can't play anymore.

 

[KJJ]

Predicting alternate realities and calling them facts is fun. If he continued to have a bad year in 2014 he could have washed out of the league. He wasn't good the year before at all.

It's pretty easy to separate the facts from the predictions but you seem to have an agenda. Teams don't make judgments on players who've been productive over a career due to one down season. Had Rice not been involved in that incident I promise you he would have looked like a much more attractive option than McFadden. Rice outproduced McFadden in rushing/receiving yards and TD's the last time he saw the field.

Rice's longest run from scrimmage in 2013 was 47 yards while McFadden's longest run from scrimmage in 2014 was only 25 yards. Everyone is talking about Rice's 3.1 average in 2013 but McFadden has averaged 3.3 a carry the past 3 seasons which is the lowest in the entire league for an RB not named Trent Richardson. Had it not been for Rice's incident I would rather have him than McFadden who can't stay healthy and hasn't been nearly as productive.

 

[joseephuss]

He's not on a team because no one wants to take on the PR nightmare and distraction he would bring...fact! He wasn't released by the Ravens until that video surfaced so you're in complete denial if you think it was his 2014 preseason performance that got him cut. What a ridiculous comment! Rice had one bad year in which he received the fewest carries since his rookie year but he still provided 58 receptions in the passing game. He had more yards and TD's in 2013 than McFadden had last season in Oakland.

He had 4 straight 1100 plus yard seasons until the 2013 season so even though he may be on the decline had that incident never occurred he would be on a team and there's no doubt about it. He's done alright and it's not because he has nothing left in the tank as a football player. Even backs that look done are picked up by other teams for depth so it's ridiculous to try and spin Rice is done because he can't play anymore.

He isn't worth the PR nightmare because he isn't that good anymore. If he was still capable of producing 1700+ yards from scrimmage then the Ravens don't cut him or another team would have signed him. His value and PR go together. He has no value and terrible PR.

I didn't say it was his 2014 preseason performance that got him cut. It was the downward trend he had been on since 2012. His 2014 preseason performance just confirmed that he wasn't capable of turning around two straight downward seasons culminating in a bad 2013 season. Those 58 receptions Rice had in 2013 resulted in 331 yards, which isn't impressive.

I have no idea why you had to bring up McFadden. It adds nothing to the conversation.

If it is only about PR then Adrian Peterson would be cut and no one would sign him. Or no team would have been interested in signing Greg Hardy. It is about both PR and value. Rice no longer has value.

By the way, screaming "fact" over and over really proves nothing especially when it is just your opinion.

 

[KJJ]

Threads like this show how ridiculous this FAN base is. You have some spinning the reason Rice is sitting home right now is because he can't play anymore but this same FAN base thinks McFadden has plenty left despite being a bust over a 7 year period. He hasn't had near the career that Rice has had but some think he can play and Rice can't. Rice had more rushing yards in 2013 than McFadden had in 2013 and 2014. You have FANS making a big issue about Rice's 3.1 average in 2013 but none seem concerned about McFadden's 3.3 average over the past 3 seasons. McFadden has been consistently bad over a 3 year period that resulted in him being fazed out and released.

The fact the Cowboys aren't banking much money on McFadden shows they don't have much confidence in him. A lot of the negative that's been posted about Rice's football talents have been influenced by his off the field issues. Had that incident never happened and he was made available and signed with the Cowboys this board would be pumping him up just like they are McFadden. At least with Rice it wouldn't be difficult with the solid career he's had.

 

[KJJ]

He isn't worth the PR nightmare because he isn't that good anymore. If he was still capable of producing 1700+ yards from scrimmage then the Ravens don't cut him or another team would have signed him. His value and PR go together. He has no value and terrible PR.

I didn't say it was his 2014 preseason performance that got him cut. It was the downward trend he had been on since 2012. His 2014 preseason performance just confirmed that he wasn't capable of turning around two straight downward seasons culminating in a bad 2013 season. Those 58 receptions Rice had in 2013 resulted in 331 yards, which isn't impressive.

I have no idea why you had to bring up McFadden. It adds nothing to the conversation.

If it is only about PR then Adrian Peterson would be cut and no one would sign him. Or no team would have been interested in signing Greg Hardy. It is about both PR and value. Rice no longer has value.

By the way, screaming "fact" over and over really proves nothing especially when it is just your opinion.

He's not worth the PR nightmare that's why he's not with a team...fact! Most of my opinions are based on facts and anyone with an ounce of football sense knows why Ray Rice has no value and isn't on an NFL team. One down season makes him no good anymore? McFadden has had 4 straight down seasons what does that make him? Mentioning McFadden does add something to the discussion because most here would have rather had Rice had it not been for the incident that made him the poster boy for domestic violence. He's been a much better back than McFadden and contributed to a championship in Baltimore. Teams would have jumped at the opportunity to sign him over backs like McFadden and CJ Spiller.

I didn't say it was his 2014 preseason performance that got him cut.

Yes you did you said "If he showed anything during the pre-season last year the Ravens don't cut him."

As for Adrian Peterson he claimed he was punishing his son and we didn't have a video to see what happened. A video of that would have likely finished his career had it appeared to be a beating and deemed child abuse. What went down with him wasn't nearly as bad as what went down with Ray Rice because we didn't have a video that shocked and appalled the entire nation. What happened with Peterson didn't result in the NFL changing it's policy and the commissioner having to do an about face. What happened with Peterson didn't result in a TV campaign against domestic abuse. Ray Rice's name has been ruined and he will only be remembered by most people for that video of him decking his girlfriend in an elevator. Rice had 1143 yards in 2012 with 9 TD's. He also had 61 receptions that season.

He's a great threat out of the backfield twice producing seasons of 70 plus receptions. Get him in space with the blocking the Cowboys have upfront and he would have produced some big gains in the passing game. The Ravens were an 8-8 team in 2013 and Flacco had a down year with a 73.1 passer rating. He tossed 22 int's to only 19 TD's that season. If you go back and watch him play he looked done. Before passing judgement that Rice's skills are done you need to look at the team the Ravens had in 2013 which wasn't very good. Rice is done for one reason and one reason only.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Threads like this show how ridiculous this FAN base is. You have some spinning the reason Rice is sitting home right now is because he can't play anymore but this same FAN base thinks McFadden has plenty left despite being a bust over a 7 year period. He hasn't had near the career that Rice has had but some think he can play and Rice can't. Rice had more rushing yards in 2013 than McFadden had in 2013 and 2014. You have FANS making a big issue about Rice's 3.1 average in 2013 but none seem concerned about McFadden's 3.3 average over the past 3 seasons. McFadden has been consistently bad over a 3 year period that resulted in him being fazed out and released.

The fact the Cowboys aren't banking much money on McFadden shows they don't have much confidence in him. A lot of the negative that's been posted about Rice's football talents have been influenced by his off the field issues. Had that incident never happened and he was made available and signed with the Cowboys this board would be pumping him up just like they are McFadden. At least with Rice it wouldn't be difficult with the solid career he's had.

I have an agenda and then you go long on the supposition for two paragraphs. My agenda is Cowboys, truth, and accuracy. Yours seems to be punitive anger.

 

[KJJ]

I have an agenda and then you go long on the supposition for two paragraphs. My agenda is Cowboys, truth, and accuracy. Yours seems to be punitive anger.

I'm providing facts about why Ray Rice doesn't have an NFL team while some of you keep steering away from his off the field issues trying to spin it has more to do with his performance on the field in 2013 which is ridiculous. You have no idea what you're talking about referring to me as an emotional hypochondriac and my comments as being that of punitive anger. Stay off me and point out the comments I've made that you consider to be nonsense. We'll find out who's posting nonsense.

 

[DavidS]

Didn't seem to effect their other back.

Round and round we go. I refuse to make nonsense excuses for 3.3 per carry.

Well see how that average works out in 2015 if he makes the roster I guess......