RB by Committee - 200 yards from scrimmage

[Zman5]

What was the ratio at halftime?

They ran 23 time all game. That's only 33%. Even if you take out the last 2 drives, it would come out to 40% rushing. And you are assuming that if we weren't losing we would not have passed at all. That is laughable knowing how this team likes to pass even with big leads.

 

[Redball Express]

Romo did get extensive practice work with all the other WR's, TE's and RB's during Training camp and the limited reps in pre-season.

I think this certainly showed.

Dez was unavailable all pre-season.

So it obviously translates into more reps with Romo and the rest of the receivers.

Linehan should be able to transition into a controlled passing attack using the RBs with short passes in place of the running attack until Dez comes back and the passing attack goes back to normal.

I don't see the sky falling.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

So your saying DM and Joe Randle are basically the same ? Doesn't matter which one you pick to be on your team?

I'm saying Randle's performance last night, statistically, was not appreciably worse than what Murray averaged last season.

 

[aikemirv]

They ran 23 time all game. That's only 33%. Even if you take out the last 2 drives, it would come out to 40% rushing. And you are assuming that if we weren't losing we would not have passed at all. That is laughable knowing how this team likes to pass even with big leads.

What was the distribution at halftime? That was the game plan and that was obvious for anyone to see so pointing to a final number that was affected by the scoreboard and our not capitalizing on first half opportunities does not make your case!

 

[texbumthelife]

They ran 23 time all game. That's only 33%. Even if you take out the last 2 drives, it would come out to 40% rushing. And you are assuming that if we weren't losing we would not have passed at all. That is laughable knowing how this team likes to pass even with big leads.

I can't even tell if you're complaining about Randle now, or the playcalling? If you're upset with the playcalling, I am with you. I wanted more run, particularly more runs out of passing formations.

Most of Randle's runs were in heavy formations where the Giants loaded the box. Where we excelled with Murray was in single back, 3 wide formations.

I am not even going to debate Randle's ability anymore.

 

[Zman5]

What was the distribution at halftime? That was the game plan and that was obvious for anyone to see so pointing to a final number that was affected by the scoreboard and our not capitalizing on first half opportunities does not make your case!

Why half time? We were only losing by one score until the last 2 drives. I doubt they threw the game plan out because of that.

 

[kramskoi]

It's more foolish to think our running game is OK because Randle had 4.1 ypc. You need to look closer to see how that came about. 57% of his runs were for 3 yards or less. That's not going to cut it. If most of his runs were closer to 4.1 yards, I doubt we pass 45 times.

We need to go back closer to last years formula and have Romo throw around 35 passes max if we are to go deep in the playoffs this year.

The sample size is simply too small, and the circumstances too wacky to make a legitimate assessment. But it does bear watching. Romo throwing 24 times in the first half with a tight score is concerning. It's not so much about YPC as it is about being committed like they were last year. Soon we will see what shakes out of the tree.

 

[aikemirv]

Why half time? We were only losing by one score until the last 2 drives. I doubt they threw the game plan out because of that.

Because that showed their game plan. At the end of 3 qtrs it was 21-29 which is 42%. That shows the gameplan. It does look to me that they will run a bit less but use the backs more in the passing game with short passes. That does not concern me at all.

 

[Dale]

I think this certainly showed.

Dez was unavailable all pre-season.

So it obviously translates into more reps with Romo and the rest of the receivers.

Linehan should be able to transition into a controlled passing attack using the RBs with short passes in place of the running attack until Dez comes back and the passing attack goes back to normal.

I don't see the sky falling.

Totally agree. I'd be far more concerned if this were the TO days, where our offense centered entirely around getting him 15 targets a game.

In fact, if there were a criticism among any of giving Dez his huge contract, it's that we can play games where he isn't focused on at all as a target. Granted, his presence is always a huge factor, and we'll undoubtedly miss that.

 

[Zman5]

I can't even tell if you're complaining about Randle now, or the playcalling? If you're upset with the playcalling, I am with you. I wanted more run, particularly more runs out of passing formations.

Most of Randle's runs were in heavy formations where the Giants loaded the box. Where we excelled with Murray was in single back, 3 wide formations.

I am not even going to debate Randle's ability anymore.

My main point in this whole convo is effectiveness of our running game will dictate how our games will be called and just looking at his 4.1 ypc don't tell a whole story.

If he would have had the same 4.1 ypc but most of his runs were in 4-5 yard range instead of 3 yards or less, I think we would have ran more. Unless he improves breaking tackles, I don't see him being the type of runner that can consistently get us 4-5 yards per carry.

I'm saying effectiveness of runs will dictate the play calling. I've seen how quickly JG likes to abandon the run if it's not effective.

Giant's defense is pathetic and they were starting a UDFA at MLB. We should have been able to run morel and gotten better results.

 

[Zman5]

Because that showed their game plan. At the end of 3 qtrs it was 21-29 which is 42%. That shows the gameplan. It does look to me that they will run a bit less but use the backs more in the passing game with short passes. That does not concern me at all.

By your math they passed 33 times not 29 times before they had to pass exclusively. Why are you convenient chopping the stats off at 3rd quarter?

According to your assumption, they deviated from the normal game plan and passed exclusively for the last two drives.

And that assumption we would have ran exclusively if we were winning is so wrong. I've seen many times where we passed even with a big lead.

 

[zrinkill]

8 yards

 

[texbumthelife]

My main point in this whole convo is effectiveness of our running game will dictate how our games will be called and just looking at his 4.1 ypc don't tell a whole story.

If he would have had the same 4.1 ypc but most of his runs were in 4-5 yard range instead of 3 yards or less, I think we would have ran more. Unless he improves breaking tackles, I don't see him being the type of runner that can consistently get us 4-5 yards per carry.

I'm saying effectiveness of runs will dictate the play calling. I've seen how quickly JG likes to abandon the run if it's not effective.

Giant's defense is pathetic and they were starting a UDFA at MLB. We should have been able to run morel and gotten better results.

Garrett doesn't call the plays anymore and all this hubub about how deficient the Giants are doesn't mean squat--they always play us tough. Its a division rival, they always go all out versus us.

I think many of you:

1) Were ready to pounce on Randle if he wasn't superb.
2)Had unrealistic expectations of this team in their first game of the season.

If Murray were here and had those same numbers, would you be ruing signing him or blasting him? No, you wouldn't. Keep the faith and give Randle a friggin' shot. Murray had plenty of game exactly like last night early in his career. If he hasn't shown anything around mid-season, then we'll know all we need to know. Fortunately we have the weapons, even without Dez, to be effective without a premier halfback.

 

[Zman5]

The sample size is simply too small, and the circumstances too wacky to make a legitimate assessment. But it does bear watching. Romo throwing 24 times in the first half with a tight score is concerning. It's not so much about YPC as it is about being committed like they were last year. Soon we will see what shakes out of the tree.

This is pretty much my point.

 

[Zman5]

Garrett doesn't call the plays anymore and all this hubub about how deficient the Giants are doesn't mean squat--they always play us tough. Its a division rival, they always go all out versus us.

I think many of you:

1) Were ready to pounce on Randle if he wasn't superb.
2)Had unrealistic expectations of this team in their first game of the season.

If Murray were here and had those same numbers, would you be ruing signing him or blasting him? No, you wouldn't. Keep the faith and give Randle a friggin' shot. Murray had plenty of game exactly like last night early in his career. If he hasn't shown anything around mid-season, then we'll know all we need to know. Fortunately we have the weapons, even without Dez, to be effective without a premier halfback.

This has nothing to do with Murray vs Randle. This has to do with someone posting his YPC average and saying our run game is fine.

I disagree. Just looking at his 4.1 ypc and saying our run game is fine is ridiculous. If our run game was fine, we would have ran much better and more last night.

 

[texbumthelife]

By your math they passed 33 times not 29 times before they had to pass exclusively. Why are you convenient chopping the stats off at 3rd quarter?

According to your assumption, they deviated from the normal game plan and passed exclusively for the last two drives.

And that assumption we would have ran exclusively if we were winning is so wrong. I've seen many times where we passed even with a big lead.

I am trying to work with you, but this post makes absolutely no sense, specifically in regards to your argument.

The fact that the were passing more the entire game shows it was a game plan decision to run less, not a direct result of the running game. They came out throwing WR screen on that first drive before they even had a shot to evaluate Randle.

 

[texbumthelife]

This has nothing to do with Murray vs Randle. This has to do with someone posting his YPC average and saying our run game is fine.

I disagree. Just looking at his 4.1 ypc and saying our run game is fine is ridiculous. If our run game was fine, we would have ran much better and more last night.

Our run game is fine. It's certainly not something to be losing your britches about after one game. You're off your rocker.

 

[Zman5]

Our run game is fine. it's certainly not something to be losing your britches about after one game. You're off your rocker.

And you must be Randle's dad.

 

[Zman5]

I am trying to work with you, but this post makes absolutely no sense, specifically in regards to your argument.

The fact that the were passing more the entire game shows it was a game plan decision to run less, not a direct result of the running game. They came out throwing WR screen on that first drive before they even had a shot to evaluate Randle.

Our first two plays were run plays. First run got us 2 yards. Yet they tried to run it again. That tells me they wanted to see if they can run. Once they found out if wasn't effective, they ran less.

 

[texbumthelife]

If Randle's avg carried over, and he had run the ball just 23 times, he would have busted the century mark. Are you telling me if we weren't down two scores, he wouldn't have gotten six more carries. If he'd hit 100 yards no one one be chirping.

And you must be Randle's dad.

No, I have just been around long enough to know better than to overreact about a player who never got a shot, in his first game as a starter.