RB expendable Debate

[QuincyCarterEra]

The Jags were better w/o Fournette? I deg to biffer

Jags were 3-0 last year without Fournette
Jags were 7-6 with Fournette

2-5 with him this year
3-6 without him this year

Differ away

 

[cnuball21]

Life didn't go on for us in 2017 when Zeke was out. Nor did this season start off well when he was rusty from an offseason and hardly any touches in preseason

We were also battling other injuries at the time...and have an incredibly inconsistent QB.

This...

Not to mention we have an incredibly inconsistent QB - but that’s a different story.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

We were also battling other injuries at the time...and have an incredibly inconsistent QB.


This...

Not to mention we have an incredibly inconsistent QB - but that’s a different story.

I dont understand how people dont understand this.

Going from Tyron to Chaz is quite possibly the biggest downgrade in NFL history.

One of the best LTs in NFL history to one of the worst ever. While Zeke was replaced by two guys that averaged more ypc than him last season.

 

[BoysForLife]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the upcoming decision of what we do with Dak...and rightfully so, as I feel like he’s been incredibly inconsistent but that is another conversation.

What about Zeke? Obviously this dude is the heart and soul of our O. I was on record saying we should’ve drafted Ramsey due to how easy it is to draft serviceable RBs. Not saying we made the wrong decision bc Zeke has been stelllar... but look around the league...

Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
Etc...

Key RBs go down and life goes on...

Not saying don’t pay the dude, but I think it’s a serious question to be considered whether or not we make him the highest paid RB in the league moving forward at the expense of paying other guys on the team.

Steelers have Ben
Chargers have Rivers
Chiefs have Mahomes

You need a bona fide stud at one or the other of those positions. Those other teams you mentioned have studs at the QB spot. We don't.

We saw what our offense looked like last year during Zeke's 6 game suspension.
3 of those 6 games, we were in the single digits. It was grotesque.

If we lose Zeke we better have an absolute top tier sure fire beast of a RB waiting to go in his spot, because Dak is not going to carry this team like Ben, Rivers, and Mahomes can if Zeke goes bye bye

 

[BoysForLife]

Going from Tyron to Chaz is quite possibly the biggest downgrade in NFL history.

It'll never match going from Romo to Dak, but anyhooo.... Yes, Green is not good. We agree on that.

 

[TwoDeep3]

So let me get this right.

Banged up OL with back-ups playing in key positions.

Vanilla WR corp with one true star that came late in the day.

And a QB that is struggling to be considered second tier.

And you want to get rid of the only true top of the mark playmaker we have?

This was the same mindset that decided to move Murray along and stick with the meat on the bone underwear bandit.

Sometimes I think you people deserve the crap Jerry serves up.

 

[cnuball21]

Steelers have Ben
Chargers have Rivers
Chiefs have Mahomes

You need a bona fide stud at one or the other of those positions. Those other teams you mentioned have studs at the QB spot. We don't.

We saw what our offense looked like last year during Zeke's 6 game suspension.
3 of those 6 games, we were in the single digits. It was grotesque.

If we lose Zeke we better have an absolute top tier sure fire beast of a RB waiting to go in his spot, because Dak is not going to carry this team like Ben, Rivers, and Mahomes can if Zeke goes bye bye

Absolutely agree, unfortunately that’s a different debate.

We could have Zeke, Barkley and Gurley all on this roster and without adequate QB play we aren’t winning unless we have one of the best defenses the NFL has ever seen.

I truly believe Zeke is the best, most complete RB in football. OL has been banged up a bit this year, but we still have an above average OL, a pro bow caliber WR and a top 10 defense and I still don’t believe we are a Super Bowl caliber team due to the QB.

 

[BoysForLife]

Absolutely agree, unfortunately that’s a different debate.

We could have Zeke, Barkley and Gurley all on this roster and without adequate QB play we aren’t winning unless we have one of the best defenses the NFL has ever seen.

I truly believe Zeke is the best, most complete RB in football. OL has been banged up a bit this year, but we still have an above average OL, a pro bow caliber WR and a top 10 defense and I still don’t believe we are a Super Bowl caliber team due to the QB.

Unfortunately I cannot disagree with a word of this. And I fear we are about to cement Dak as the QB for the forseeable future. I hope I"m wrong.

 

[beware_d-ware]

One thing I've seen is that some RBs may have 1 big season, but if you look at the guys who produce year in and year out, it's a pretty short list. Look at the rushing leaders from say 2013-present, and you'll see some Darren McFaddens and Justin Forsetts come and go, but guys like Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, Marshawn Lynch, Gurley, Bell etc, are usually floating somewhere around the top 10.

That year to year consistency is what you buy with an elite RB, in my opinion. Guys who can take 300 touches a year, remain healthy, and churn out yardage rain or shine don't grow on trees.

 

[Redball Express]

Been seeing a lot of talk about the upcoming decision of what we do with Dak...and rightfully so, as I feel like he’s been incredibly inconsistent but that is another conversation.

What about Zeke? Obviously this dude is the heart and soul of our O. I was on record saying we should’ve drafted Ramsey due to how easy it is to draft serviceable RBs. Not saying we made the wrong decision bc Zeke has been stelllar... but look around the league...

Steelers
Chargers
Chiefs
Etc...

Key RBs go down and life goes on...

Not saying don’t pay the dude, but I think it’s a serious question to be considered whether or not we make him the highest paid RB in the league moving forward at the expense of paying other guys on the team.

Zeke is a once in a generation RB.

You have to manage him..

otherwise we have more risks with him.

But like when we got Dorsett..

there is no substitute for quality.

so sorry to see Dorsett having issues with his health.

To replace Zeke we would have to go 4-12 to get a top 5 pick.

Do not want to sweat that out again.

 

[cnuball21]

Zeke is a once in a generation RB.

You have to manage him..

otherwise we have more risks with him.

But like when we got Dorsett..

there is no substitute for quality.

so sorry to see Dorsett having issues with his health.

To replace Zeke we would have to go 4-12 to get a top 5 pick.

Do not want to sweat that out again.

But does it even matter if we don’t have enough talent at QB?

And if you are sold on Dak how many teams pay the QB and the RB?

 

[JoeKing]

There are other rare talents that have been shown to be expendable though. That's kinda the point.

Care to give some examples, if true?

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Care to give some examples, if true?

Gurley is the latest example

Others are Fournette, Dalvin Cook, and Trent Richardson(lol)

 

[Nightman]

One thing I've seen is that some RBs may have 1 big season, but if you look at the guys who produce year in and year out, it's a pretty short list. Look at the rushing leaders from say 2013-present, and you'll see some Darren McFaddens and Justin Forsetts come and go, but guys like Adrian Peterson, LeSean McCoy, Marshawn Lynch, Gurley, Bell etc, are usually floating somewhere around the top 10.

That year to year consistency is what you buy with an elite RB, in my opinion. Guys who can take 300 touches a year, remain healthy, and churn out yardage rain or shine don't grow on trees.

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Anyone can fill in at the end of year with fresh legs

Many can have one good season or so

But the elite. the ones that make the HoF come from the early first
8 of the Top 10 all time were 1st rounders.....6 of them Top 5
15 of the Top 20 with 11 in the Top 6

Terrell Davis was the only one outside the top 3 rounds

 

[mattjames2010]

Life didn't go on for us in 2017 when Zeke was out. Nor did this season start off well when he was rusty from an offseason and hardly any touches in preseason

Zeke was in for the game against the Seahawks, which was a must win - we lost

He was also part of our first shutout since 2003.

RBs are overrated; especially on this board.

 

[kskboys]

This

Anyone can fill in at the end of year with fresh legs

Many can have one good season or so

But the elite. the ones that make the HoF come from the early first
8 of the Top 10 all time were 1st rounders.....6 of them Top 5
15 of the Top 20 with 11 in the Top 6

Terrell Davis was the only one outside the top 3 rounds

Davis is not top 10 all time. Not sure he's top 20.

 

[mattjames2010]

Our offense is based around having a back that can get 25-30 carries for atleast 100 yards and 5 catches for 40 yards.

If we dont have zeke we need to get a stud who can duplicate that.

With that said yes elliott should be the highest paid rb in the league no question hes never missed a game due to injury.

If they have to cut zeke for money reasons you draft tyrons replacement because hes hurting you draft freds replacement if he cant go and you plug thos guys in with suafilo martin and looney(as the ace in the hole)

Offenses are based around scoring - which Zeke doesn’t do enough of to justify 25 handoffs a freakin’ game.

6 TDs on the ground ain’t gonna cut it.

 

[mattjames2010]

Steelers have Ben
Chargers have Rivers
Chiefs have Mahomes

You need a bona fide stud at one or the other of those positions. Those other teams you mentioned have studs at the QB spot. We don't.

We saw what our offense looked like last year during Zeke's 6 game suspension.
3 of those 6 games, we were in the single digits. It was grotesque.

If we lose Zeke we better have an absolute top tier sure fire beast of a RB waiting to go in his spot, because Dak is not going to carry this team like Ben, Rivers, and Mahomes can if Zeke goes bye bye

Pretending Zeke is anything more just because we don’t have a QB is hilarious.

All the more reason you should trade Zeke to get a real QB, yes?

 

[Nightman]

Davis is not top 10 all time. Not sure he's top 20.

He is HoF and the one that had one of the shortest careers..... further proving the point

Here is the non HoF included list

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1970&year_max=2018&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos[]=rb&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2018&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=pick_overall&conference=any&draft_pos[]=qb&draft_pos[]=rb&draft_pos[]=wr&draft_pos[]=te&draft_pos[]=e&draft_pos[]=t&draft_pos[]=g&draft_pos[]=c&draft_pos[]=ol&draft_pos[]=dt&draft_pos[]=de&draft_pos[]=dl&draft_pos[]=ilb&draft_pos[]=olb&draft_pos[]=lb&draft_pos[]=cb&draft_pos[]=s&draft_pos[]=db&draft_pos[]=k&draft_pos[]=p&c5val=1.0&order_by=rush_yds

 

[JoeKing]

Gurley is the latest example

Others are Fournette, Dalvin Cook, and Trent Richardson(lol)

Considering the contract the Rams just gave to Gurley, I doubt they think he is expendable. Who are those other slugs you mentioned?