RB position

big dog cowboy said:
DMC was not a desperate signing. I'm not sure how any would even remotely consider that a posibility. We liked him coming out of college and he was available so we picked him up. No one in the FO was beating the table or was pushing any panic button over that signing.

As for CJ, his role as lead back was due to injury. Now that Ellington has returned his role is already dimished. In fact Ellington started the game today. So much for tearing it up. I suspect his role will diminsih even further when the Cards start getting D. Johnson more involved with the offense.
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Ellington has 1 carry to Johnsons 10. Ellington is another Joe Randle IMO. A good COP back that gets exposed as a lead back. He was horrible last year
 
Bleu Star said:
It wasn't taken out of context.. there was intent and it was clearly understood. Less mouth and more action would have done him some good. Right now, I'm tired of seeing his all world 1st half/houdini 2nd half act.
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What was the intent and how would you know what it is? It can easily be taken that he meant that there were some yards out on the field that Demarco left out there either from poor vision or from simply running out of bounds. Either way, there hasn't been any "meat" on this bone this season to even try and eat.
 
Biggems said:
nope, I think I will keep going.

he was desperation.....whether you agree or not. We could have had CJ who is tearing it up with the Cards, but instead we go with another underachieving Razorback.

like the other poster said, maybe we should move him to Dunbar's role.....maybe that could give him a chance to make a positive impact on the field.
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McFadden was another Switzer signing. The FO was convinced they were geniuses that figured the league out by drafting OL in the first round and anyone could run behind them. McFadden was a terrible signing that might not have been desperate but it sure was pathetic.

Even OAK chose to let him go and signed TRichardson over McFadden.

The plan was a bust before the season even started but a lot of fans can't let go of their hopes and dreams about the OL and realize it.
 
Biggems said:
nope, I think I will keep going.

he was desperation.....whether you agree or not. We could have had CJ who is tearing it up with the Cards, but instead we go with another underachieving Razorback.

like the other poster said, maybe we should move him to Dunbar's role.....maybe that could give him a chance to make a positive impact on the field.
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Tell me, can you list all of the under achieving Razorbacks Jerry has signed over the years?
 
Biggems said:
What we know

Randle is a good back-up RB, but not a lead horse. His mouth has written a lot of checks that he has failed to cash as of yet. He definitely has failed at taking the meat off the bone.

DMac was a desperation signing. He has had a few good plays, but for the most part has been quite subpar. He should not be on the roster. IMO, he is done.

Dunbar was a fantastic weapon as a WR. He was decent on draws, but was subpar with other running plays. As a returner, he left a lot to be desired, both with his execution and decision making. He is definitely missed in our offense.

Clutts is a barely average FB. There are other options out there, but we refuse to look into them.

I would cut Clutts and DMac before we play the Giants. Make a statement to the team that if you fail to perform up to standard, you need to go.

What we don't know

What will Michael bring to the offense. Can he be more than a short yardage, one carry a game back. Can he carry the load, give us good yardage on 1st down, get the tough yardage when they know we will be running, pick up the blitz, and catch it out of the backfield.

Is Rod Smith worth the roster spot. With his addition, does that make Michael the lead back, and Smith the short yardage dirty yards back? How is his blocking?

Maybe Michael and Smith bring some much needed OOMPH to our rushing game. Maybe they can solve our RB woes for this season and the future. My hope is that at least one of them makes a huge impact and we can get him long term, making the RB position less of a necessity in the 2016 draft.

I love me some Elliott or Henry, but I would rather use our first rounder on a RT, S, or QB.
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I disagree.

We don't know how much of the running game issues are the OL and other blockers, how much is due to defenses loading up against the run due to not respecting the passing threat and how much is the actual RBs.

The running game has not wowed anybody and Randle it the starter; therefore, people want to blame him. Very few people actually seem to study the game footage. The RBs have had very little space to work with this season but it's easier for people to blame the guy with the ball in his hands.

McFadden has been good as a receiver and really has been OK as a runner in some games. People primarily just don't like his running style.

The majority of people hated Dunbar prior to this season but yet those people still can't learn to give players some time before making final judgment on them.

Maybe C-Mike will be better, but the blocking is also likely to improve. Leary really struggled due to injury and Collins should get better than he was in his 1 start. If Hanna gets healthy that will help because he was a big part of the run blocking last season. Obviously, if they can get the passing game into gear that will help to keep defenses from loading up against the run.

Another issue is the predictability of the run/pass play calling. They got by with that last year when they had a great passing offense, but when Weed is the QB and Dez is out, that predictability just makes running next to impossible. They run over 85% of the time on 1st down and pass over 85% of the time when in shotgun and on 3rd down, IIRC. Those are just the easy predictable things to point out. I'm certain that NFL defensive coordinators see even more than tendencies.

I will agree that Randle is a moron. If he loses the starting role it will likely be more in regards to not accepting coaching than it will be due to a lack of ability.

The RBs have not been fumbling a lot and C-Mike does have a history of fumbling. The problems could get worse. The Cowboys were in contention to win both the Falcons and Saints games. The offense was not great but with just a little better defense they would have won both games.

Fans need someone to blame and it's too complicated and takes too much effort for most fans to figure out who to blame in terms of blocking failures; therefore, it is much easier to just blame the RBs. Also, nobody (including myself) really want to think that the OL is not what we expected it to be when speculating in the off-season. It's easier to hope that the problem is all on Weed and Randle/McFadden because there are possible replacements for them available.

A microcosm of fan mentality was shown by the poster that created a new thread just to say that Lucky Whitehead has not accomplished anything as a WR or returner and should be cut, He has made that judgment despite the fact that Whitehead only has 1 punt return, 1 kick return and 2 passes throw to him all season.

When I study the game footage, I just don't see where Murray (even the 2014 version) would be doing much if any better. Unless a RB is an Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders type talent, they have to have blocking to succeed.
 
The Cowboys RB position and running game needs physicality. If CMike can provide that...great. The team needs to find out and be committed to giving him a shot. Establishing a physical running game as opposed to the slash and gash style Randle/McFadden offer is a must.
 
slick325 said:
The Cowboys RB position and running game needs physicality. If CMike can provide that...great. The team needs to find out and be committed to giving him a shot. Establishing a physical running game as opposed to the slash and gash style Randle/McFadden offer is a must.
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Why does most everyone think that they need to cut a player to make a statement.
It just does not always work that way.
And why McFadden, as you think he is not lived up to his signing. Well, then may as well cut half the team then.
As most seem to think a lot of our players don't live up to anything either.

A guy misses a block, cut him
A guy drops a pass, cut him,
QB throws a pick, cut him,
Defensive player X misses a tackle, cut him
A cheerleader was half a second out of step, cut her
My beer wasn't cold enough, fire the bartender
 
bkight13 said:
McFadden was another Switzer signing. The FO was convinced they were geniuses that figured the league out by drafting OL in the first round and anyone could run behind them. McFadden was a terrible signing that might not have been desperate but it sure was pathetic.

Even OAK chose to let him go and signed TRichardson over McFadden.

The plan was a bust before the season even started but a lot of fans can't let go of their hopes and dreams about the OL and realize it.
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Maybe Richardson was signed, because McFadden was not there, as he chose to sign elsewhere.
Maybe Oakland would have signe DMC if he had not signe with Dallas. We don't know all the parameters.
 
jazzcat22 said:
Maybe Richardson was signed, because McFadden was not there, as he chose to sign elsewhere.
Maybe Oakland would have signe DMC if he had not signe with Dallas. We don't know all the parameters.
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They went after Murray pretty hard. When it was obvious they lost out they made no moves to sign Mcfadden.
 
bkight13 said:
They went after Murray pretty hard. When it was obvious they lost out they made no moves to sign Mcfadden.
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Right, as there were other options out there at the time.
Look at Cowboys, they looked at other options, or waited before they resigned some of their own players at other positions.
All teams do this. If they can't find what they want, or get what they want, sometimes they will sign their own guys back.

I know what you are saying and point is, but sometimes just more to it than what we think.
 
jazzcat22 said:
Right, as there were other options out there at the time.
Look at Cowboys, they looked at other options, or waited before they resigned some of their own players at other positions.
All teams do this. If they can't find what they want, or get what they want, sometimes they will sign their own guys back.

I know what you are saying and point is, but sometimes just more to it than what we think.
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No I think you are trying to read something out of nothing.

The Raiders wanted nothing to do with McFadden and even took a a chance on TRich to back up Latavous Murray.

We didn't look at any other RBs while pretending to wait for DMurray and we instantly pounced on McFadden like that was our plan all along, which it was.
 
Can't we just agree that the Raiders were not interested in keeping McFadden.
They felt it was better for their organization if he plays somewhere else this year.

Not sure if I would call it desperation. That would be letting our FO off the hook too much. It's worse to say they targeted him and he was the plan to complement Joey Randle all along.

The FO overrated the offensive line. Almost everyone did.

If Michael doesn't end up being the real deal I fully expect the FO to change their cheap RBBC plan this coming offseason.
 
Randle's problem is that if the play is not perfectly blocked he tries to get creative instead of taking what is there. There is not enough time to get creative in the NFL, once you hesitate then there is no holes and you are not bouncing it outside of a player that has outside leverage already. Basically I think Randle is greedy and he doesn't understand that a 3-4 yard run is better than a 0 or -1 yard run trying to make something not designed happen. He does it pretty consistently. He does not trust his blocks and delays his cuts an extra step or two and it's too late to recover from it. McFadden seems to follow the play call for the most part, but there have definitely been some blocking issues at the second level. Defenses are slanting, shifting making it harder to reach block and get leverage and they know to hold the linemen as they try to reach the second level. It's been a combination of issues, but it has not been as bad as the RB's have made it look in many cases. Very interested to see how CMike plays
 
31smackdown said:
Randle's problem is that if the play is not perfectly blocked he tries to get creative instead of taking what is there. There is not enough time to get creative in the NFL, once you hesitate then there is no holes and you are not bouncing it outside of a player that has outside leverage already. Basically I think Randle is greedy and he doesn't understand that a 3-4 yard run is better than a 0 or -1 yard run trying to make something not designed happen. He does it pretty consistently. He does not trust his blocks and delays his cuts an extra step or two and it's too late to recover from it. McFadden seems to follow the play call for the most part, but there have definitely been some blocking issues at the second level. Defenses are slanting, shifting making it harder to reach block and get leverage and they know to hold the linemen as they try to reach the second level. It's been a combination of issues, but it has not been as bad as the RB's have made it look in many cases. Very interested to see how CMike plays
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Randle thinks he is Barry Sanders.
 
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