Re-structuring rather than extending Dak Prescott

[quickccc]

This is the genius logic of this fanbase..they don’t want to extend or restructure Dak now they want to wait until he performs well and then extend him and have to pay more. Makes zero sense to me. You make a decision on Dak now. Not later.

Thats' why Kellen was allowed to move on ... why he was forced out as primary offensive play caller.

- Club had to decide to let McCarthy live or die under Dak now.. Kellen could not get Dak past Niners in two Sr8 back to back playoff ganes ....
Dak is McCarthy's baby now ...

- Frankly even with another failure to Niners in playoff again ...I still don't think the club would plan to replace Dak ... nor NOT extend him long term
In fact , i believe Cowboys would instead seek another different play caller - differently than McCarthy- Schottenhemeir should they fail.

- With another playof failure based off the lackluster stalling offense, would that mean the end of McCarthy as HC , and then a promotion of Dan Quinn to HC ?
Possibly.
But even then the promoted Quinn would still have to find that specially talented OC that could get Dak and the offense over the promised land.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Thats' why Kellen was allowed to move on ... why he was forced out as primary offensive play caller.

- Club had to decide to let McCarthy live or die under Dak now.. Kellen could not get Dak past Niners in two Sr8 back to back playoff ganes ....
Dak is McCarthy's baby now ...

- Frankly even with another failure to Niners in playoff again ...I still don't think the club would plan to replace Dak ... nor NOT extend him long term
In fact , i believe Cowboys would instead seek another different play caller - differently than McCarthy- Schottenhemeir should they fail.

- With another playof failure based off the lackluster stalling offense, would that mean the end of McCarthy as HC , and then a promotion of Dan Quinn to HC ?
Possibly.
But even then the promoted Quinn would still have to find that specially talented OC that could get Dak and the offense over the promised land.

Quinn IMO is the best in line and even he knows it. It’s just a matter of when…..

 

[Creeper]

There’s a lot of Cowboys fans that are hoping Dak has an off year, so Jerry will move on from him. If you look at all the Dak bashing on this board, there’s a lot of fans that are sick to their stomach that he’s our starting QB. Even if Dak were to continue to regress, it’s going to be very difficult for Jerry to move on from him if he doesn’t have a viable replacement. Anyone who really cares about the team should be pulling for Dak this season. If it gets to the point where the team has to move on from him, and they have to opt for FA castoff, it could be the beginning of some very lean years for the Cowboys.

Thinking Jerry can move on from Dak is just fantasy. As you pointed out, there is no viable option. Jerry has not attempted to obtain a QB to sit behind Dak for 2 years and learn. But as I indicated, the financials basically lock Jerry into an extension for Dak. He has no other choice really, other than to cut the cord with Dak and make a desperate ploy signing some washed up cast off and hope he can win.

 

[Setackin]

At least its a plan....

I trust McClay to find a guy, maybe he misses (QBs are hard to find) but hey, Archie Manning is coming out in 26 or 27.

 

[Chuck 54]

Agreed.....$50MM is pretty much the floor for a guy like Dak at this point unless he just implodes this season....even then he probably gets a Derek Carr style contract. Herbert/Brurrow/etc are going to continue to push that QB contact numbers up and up, and Dak being 30 next season can still cash in for one more monster deal at minimum, maybe two if it's a nother 4 year type deal.

The only number that matters for a team is the annual QB cap hit. His average per year pay is far above his cap hit, and fans shouldn’t care. Teams are not really hurt by franchise QB contracts, barring career ending injuries, until they decide to move on. Then the dead money cap hit is large, but the team usually moves on to a rookie on a minor contract. Teams with great QBs on franchise QBs, and those with good QBs on franchise contracts are still able to build strong rosters. What Jerry has to learn is that you have to let some productive, young players walk and use compensatory picks in the draft to replenish that depth. Look at our DE position….Armstrong and Fowler make us better, but we don’t really need them on veteran contracts when we have Parsons, Williams, DLaw and draft picks. Do we really need Pollard on a 10 million dollar contract? Probably, but only because we didn’t plan properly in previous drafts. Pollard will be gone next year.

 

[shabazz]

There are no. I able FA options. Good one are signed by their teams. Or you get a washed up Matt Ryan.

Draft is the only viable option and it's a gamble. Good teams draft a QB every three years and develop them...if they are no good then you draft another one. It also gives you better negotiation leverage

But with our GM he wants to draft Johnny Manziel or Paxton Lynch.

They have had almost 8 years to either draft a quality qb or get one via Free agency

They have no excuses for neglecting the single most important position in football

Negligence ,ignorance or stubbornness to blame

 

[thunderpimp91]

The only number that matters for a team is the annual QB cap hit. His average per year pay is far above his cap hit, and fans shouldn’t care. Teams are not really hurt by franchise QB contracts, barring career ending injuries, until they decide to move on. Then the dead money cap hit is large, but the team usually moves on to a rookie on a minor contract. Teams with great QBs on franchise QBs, and those with good QBs on franchise contracts are still able to build strong rosters. What Jerry has to learn is that you have to let some productive, young players walk and use compensatory picks in the draft to replenish that depth. Look at our DE position….Armstrong and Fowler make us better, but we don’t really need them on veteran contracts when we have Parsons, Williams, DLaw and draft picks. Do we really need Pollard on a 10 million dollar contract? Probably, but only because we didn’t plan properly in previous drafts. Pollard will be gone next year.

I sort of agree, but not really. I agree completely that all people care about is the AAV, which is massively overrated and often misleading. To say that a QBs cap hit shouldnt matter I think is way off though. Yeah Dak isnt counting some massive $40MM against the cap this year, however, he's still the largest cap hit on the team by a significant amount, I think $10MM or so above DLaw? He's also still a top 10 cap hit in all of football, even after they restructured his deal. That's a significant piece of the pie, and just because its less than the AAV doesn't mean it isnt significant. This is pretty much the same argument people used to justify the Romo contract, but ultimately that contract still hurt the Cowboys from 2016-2018, which was when the Cowboys had an opening to take advantage of a rookie QB deal, especially a 4th round rookie deal. Whenever Dak leaves that cap number that keeps getting kicked down the road still becomes due.

The Cowboys already dont play heavily in the FA market and continue to let players walk and recoup comp picks, they typically have 2-4 every year.

 

[Sydla]

This is my issue with it….you know what Dak is at this point. He’s pretty much a consensus top 10 by people….

At this point you have to ask yourself can you win with him? If you can re-sign him. It’s a risk but you can’t keep waiting until your guys hit certain milestones to increase their value and get them on crappy deals.

I don't know if you can win with him. That's why I would give him this year and then consider the extension. He's got more weapons now, he's got a change at OC, etc. Give him this year, see where he goes and then decide. He's still under contract through 2024. His value isnt going to change drastically enough in one year that waiting will hurt you. The market is what the market is.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't know if you can win with him. That's why I would give him this year and then consider the extension. He's got more weapons now, he's got a change at OC, etc. Give him this year, see where he goes and then decide. He's still under contract through 2024. His value isnt going to change drastically enough in one year that waiting will hurt you. The market is what the market is.

That’s sort of where I’m at. If you still are asking if you can win with him in year 8? It might be time to move on. I believe they can but does the front office?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

They have had almost 8 years to either draft a quality qb or get one via Free agency

They have no excuses for neglecting the single most important position in football

Negligence ,ignorance or stubbornness to blame

that's on the GM. he sucks. he has shown unable to put a winning team together for over 27 years now. I agree, no excuses for GM not to do that, but I also don't trust him. Patriots drafted Grapolo, and then traded him. GB drafted Love who has been on the bench for years and now traded Rodgers. we should have been in position to draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd round and invest in his development. its once every few years as development is expected. one draft pick out of 21, or 1 out of 9 top 3 draft picks every three years. if a really good one falls in first round, then you draft him. they become trade baits.

the one year we had a chance in top 11 of the draft, there was no good QB to take then (I don't think Mac Jones is an elite QB, and he got over drafted).

 

[shabazz]

that's on the GM. he sucks. he has shown unable to put a winning team together for over 27 years now. I agree, no excuses for GM not to do that, but I also don't trust him. Patriots drafted Grapolo, and then traded him. GB drafted Love who has been on the bench for years and now traded Rodgers. we should have been in position to draft a QB in 2nd or 3rd round and invest in his development. its once every few years as development is expected. one draft pick out of 21, or 1 out of 9 top 3 draft picks every three years. if a really good one falls in first round, then you draft him. they become trade baits.

the one year we had a chance in top 11 of the draft, there was no good QB to take then (I don't think Mac Jones is an elite QB, and he got over drafted).

Drafting no quarterbacks higher than 4th round since quincy Carter is criminal

Ben Denucci and Stephen McGhee? Really?

 

[blueblood70]

Re-structuring rather than extending Dak Prescott​

The Cowboys never learn when it comes to shooting themselves in the foot.

Right after seeing DeMarcus Lawrence's value increase when they played hardball, the Jones family decided to play hardball with Dak Prescott. They balked at a contract rumored to be $32 million per season in 2020 and instead, paid $31.4 million on the franchise tag. They tagged him again in 2021 before finally signing him to a deal worth $40 million per season. That means they cost themselves $8 million per season by waiting to pay the man they knew was the franchise quarterback.

In 2023, they're again proving they haven't learned. Prescott enters the year with just two seasons left on his deal and Dallas turned to him for cap relief. But instead of working out an extension, they restructured his contract — and he will now count for $59 million in 2024. Yes, they can extend him before next season and lower that cap hit but they will again have to pay a lot more. Right now, quarterbacks are signing for roughly $45 million per season but that will increase in a hurry — especially with Justin Herbert and the Chargers discussing a new deal.

This means Dallas is likely going to see Prescott command closer to $50 million — especially if he has a bounce-back year in 2023. They had some leverage entering the offseason but they ended up giving it all to him.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/3-contract-decisions-haunt-dallas-cowboys-prescott-gallup

here's the thing,

that information might be true, however when you say they're shooting themselves in the foot, IS your opinion and it is coming from what you think could have happened and not knowing what would have happened later...

look, they were not going to put the wool over Prescott and his agents if they would have signed him for say 35 million before the 2020 season, I guarantee he would have already been back in 2023(right now) asking for a new contract , as his agents were adamant, they would not more than a three or four year deal. they saw the projections the cap and the new max deals coming down the pike for top 10 qbs. so his hand would have been back out right now and most like say 52 mil AAV for a new 4yr deal starting in 24..is that really that far off? at least now we can let it pay out and see if a new LTD after 24 is necessary..

just like all these other guys want a new deal Patrick mahomes is already getting a new deal you may have got Prescott for 35 million for a couple of years but right now we'd be sitting in what my opinion says the same spot cause he would have got a new deal he would have pushed for it and he would have got it because of the rapid advancement of quarterback contracts you said it yourself

I don't think it cost them that much and right now even this 59 million looks horrible in 2024 it will not be that far off from the top 5 averages for qbs or what his new deal would look like...

 

[OmerV]

Re-structuring rather than extending Dak Prescott​

The Cowboys never learn when it comes to shooting themselves in the foot.

Right after seeing DeMarcus Lawrence's value increase when they played hardball, the Jones family decided to play hardball with Dak Prescott. They balked at a contract rumored to be $32 million per season in 2020 and instead, paid $31.4 million on the franchise tag. They tagged him again in 2021 before finally signing him to a deal worth $40 million per season. That means they cost themselves $8 million per season by waiting to pay the man they knew was the franchise quarterback.

In 2023, they're again proving they haven't learned. Prescott enters the year with just two seasons left on his deal and Dallas turned to him for cap relief. But instead of working out an extension, they restructured his contract — and he will now count for $59 million in 2024. Yes, they can extend him before next season and lower that cap hit but they will again have to pay a lot more. Right now, quarterbacks are signing for roughly $45 million per season but that will increase in a hurry — especially with Justin Herbert and the Chargers discussing a new deal.

This means Dallas is likely going to see Prescott command closer to $50 million — especially if he has a bounce-back year in 2023. They had some leverage entering the offseason but they ended up giving it all to him.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/3-contract-decisions-haunt-dallas-cowboys-prescott-gallup

Restructuring just means distributing the money in a current contract differently to minimize cap hit. It doesn't make term of service longer. It would take an extension to add more years to Dak's commitment

 

[CCBoy]

1. For the record, Prescott has done well enough that sticking with him is probably better than attempting to find another quarterback. The organization has to agree with that sentiment before inking him to an extension, though.
2. In all likelihood, that's where this is headed. Prescott's current contract already has $36.5 million earmarked for Prescott in the form of a void year. An extension would make sure that money actually goes to keeping him on the roster and not paying him a boatload of money to play elsewhere.
   Unless the Cowboys think a trade might be a consideration in the offseason their best bet is to get him extended as soon as possible.https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10083038-cowboys-top-contract-extension-priorities-entering-training-camp
   
   
   
   

 

[America's Cowboy]

They already restructured Dak's current contract twice. There is no room to restructure it again because he only has 1 year left after this year. As it stands there is $36 million in prorated bonus money from previous restructures, in the two voided years of his contract. It they do not sign him they eat that money as dead money. If they do restructure his contract again they are just pushing more money into the voided years and that makes it more difficult to let him go when his deal is up.

In 2025 Dak walks into contract negotiations holding all the cards. He knows Jerry cannot trade him, or franchise tag him. He knows Jerry is looking at $36 million in dead money if he let's Dak walk. Next year Dak's CAP number is $59 million and without an extension Jerry has nowhere to move money for another restructure. What Jerry did with Dak is guarantee Dak will be extended or re-signed, at Dak's asking price.

As I have said, the worst thing about Dak's contract was the term which meant Jerry paying Dak even more money a second time. But Dak refused a longer term deal - probably because he intends to hold-up Jerry a second time. People suggesting Dak will ask for $50 million should remember, no one thought he would ask for $40 million the last time. Dak is going to want $60 million or in that range to sign another 4 year deal.

It will take a very strong spine for Jerry to say no to Dak in 2025. If Dak has an off year in 2023, this situation is going to make Jerry and Dallas fans sick to their stomachs.

Cowboys need to draft Dak's replacement within the first 2 rounds of next year's draft.

 

[CCBoy]

With the Cowboys likely committed to sending big dollars to Lamb and Prescott, it should be expected that Diggs is going to go to the table wanting something similar to Howard and Jackson.

Spotrac has Diggs' market value as a four-year, $61.8 million contract. They use Xavien Howard, J.C. Jackson, James Bradberry and Levi Wallace as comparables which is an interesting choice because Bradberry and Wallace were both veterans signed to mercenary contracts.

bleacherreport

Cowboys' Top Contract Extension Priorities Entering Training Camp​

ALEX BALLENTINE JULY 19, 2023



There's a major caveat to signing Dak Prescott to an extension that makes CeeDee Lamb a little more important. If the Cowboys have hesitation that Prescott is their franchise quarterback after his struggles last season then they should wait to extend him.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Cowboys need to draft Dak's replacement within the first 2 rounds of next year's draft.

Yep, if for nothing else to make France/Dak come to the table and negotiate a sensible deal.

With Dak getting paid $34m in 2024 he's no real incentive/rush to sign knowing the Cowboy's havent got an alternative.

 

[Hadenough]

The problem in the NFL today is it's not about winning anymore. If you have a QB that's serviceable he gets paid big money.
Let's not kid ourselves , anyone that thinks Dak or Cousins has any chance of winning a SB is delusional.

 

[CCBoy]

The problem in the NFL today is it's not about winning anymore. If you have a QB that's serviceable he gets paid big money.
Let's not kid ourselves , anyone that thinks Dak or Cousins has any chance of winning a SB is delusional.

I still keep faith that one in America keeping up with his nose to the grind can be a winner. Warren Moon, Doug Williams...Kurt Warner!

 

[The Fonz]

As long as JJ running the team and Cap Boy doing the contracts the hope for this team to win a SB is slim to none