Realistic contract for Shultz

[Chuck 54]

I find it strange how people suddenly believe so strongly in this next man up BS.

NFL players get paid according to how good they are. It's a fan thing that the next man up just gets more, except of course at QB. The other positions are not like that at all.

Yep, Schultz is a very good in-line TE. There are extremely few TE's in the NFL today who block well, and there are only a few who can go deep down the seam with speed. He's not just a dink and dunk guy. He runs good routes; his hands are more reliable than any receiver on the team; he's slippery and runs through some tackles for YAC; and he's been excellent for us in the Redzone and should still be on the rise. Would I like to have one of the 3-4 best TE's in the NFL? Yes! He's not that, but he has proven himself to be a very good, above average TE.

 

[fivetwos]

About 25. I think you're underrating Schultz's get open ability. That's OK, same thing happened to Witten, who was the best chain moving TE of all time.

As much as I like Schultz as a player, overpaying him is a mistake. He's a 6-8 mil/season player.

I need him to get better at run blocking or I don't want him at any salary. I'll give him and his five pounds the benefit of the doubt, and I'm certainly rooting for it to work out.

If they don't fix this run game with this QB, then this is a very moot discussion.

Schultz may be nice for fantasy points, but the Cowboys aren't going to check down their way to the Super Bowl.

As far as Schultz' ability to get open, be careful that it wasn't more about everyone else that needed attention, the best of which is no longer here.

 

[kskboys]

Except that guy and hunter henry are the ones that helped set the market for the TEs below the top ones in the NFL.

I don't agree that some team overpaying a player sets the market.

 

[Motorola]

Just reviewing the 40 or so omments -- one can see the disparity of not only Schultz's ability and production as an NFL tight end - but also the varying predictions of what his next contract should be; then finally....what the Cowboys of should do.

 

[john van brocklin]

he will leave dallas and sign for about 13-15M per year somewhere else....we all will say good riddance, until he starts producing good stats and we all will scream why did we let him go.

Needs to learn how to block to command premium contract dollars

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't agree that some team overpaying a player sets the market.

Then you will constantly lose player in FA market. www.spotrac.com shows Schultz market value at 12.6 mill. Part of the reason for that for any player who signs a deal today by the time that contract hits year 2 he will fall below the market value, 8 mill a year sound good today but frankly that is the top pay of a rookie TE.

 

[kskboys]

Then you will constantly lose player in FA market. www.spotrac.com shows Schultz market value at 12.6 mill. Part of the reason for that for any player who signs a deal today by the time that contract hits year 2 he will fall below the market value, 8 mill a year sound good today but frankly that is the top pay of a rookie TE.

It is? What rook TE is making 8 mil/season?

I do not agree w/ it being market value. There are too many variables that will affect value, such as production, availability, value to the O, stuff like that.

 

[kskboys]

I need him to get better at run blocking or I don't want him at any salary. I'll give him and his five pounds the benefit of the doubt, and I'm certainly rooting for it to work out.

If they don't fix this run game with this QB, then this is a very moot discussion.

Schultz may be nice for fantasy points, but the Cowboys aren't going to check down their way to the Super Bowl.

As far as Schultz' ability to get open, be careful that it wasn't more about everyone else that needed attention, the best of which is no longer here.

Absolutely and absolutely.

I think the checkdown moniker has been way overblown.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Well, we just told him that he's worth a franchise tag and top 5 money. So, I suspect he's not signing a long term deal for much less.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If and when we sign him, what kind of deal is he worth?? I say 4 years 16-20 million???

Didnt you say realistic? Thats not realistic. He will get probably from 8-10 million per year.

 

[Dalmations202]

Schultz is not a good in line TE, as he cannot seal DE's nor pick off LB's allowing for the RB to get the corner.
Schultz wiffs when he tries to open field block and I never saw him engage and drive through -- he at best tried to get in the way.

Schultz was not a seam guy -- Jarwin was a seam guy....not Schultz.

Dallas had three WR that took 3-4 DB's to cover, so he was covered by the 5th or 6th best coverage guy on their D.

Dallas used their backs in the flat, so often times they were getting the better cover guy than the one who took Schultz.

I watched the games. Yes he can catch. Yes he can run Y-option, and yes he can get to the sidelines against LB's who are mainly worried about inside runs.
There is nothing about him that makes me think he is the answer at TE though, IF they really want to win a Superbowl.

Please Schultz make me eat crow..........but I just don't see it.

I see 3-5 TE in the draft that could do as much or more than what I have seen him do.

 

[Doomsday101]

It is? What rook TE is making 8 mil/season?

I do not agree w/ it being market value. There are too many variables that will affect value, such as production, availability, value to the O, stuff like that.

Kyle Pitts

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What people seem to be doing in undervaluing players, especially Cowboys players. Outside of Zeke the Cowboys have not overpaid, some guys have not lived up to their contracts I think DLaw is one but when Cooper got his deal people whined he was over paid, now that he is gone they are whining about that as well. The NFL has a market value and you can choose to avoid that and not pay players, that is the organization choice. As for Dalton I do agree that to pay him on a long term deal, he will have to show that he can both block and receive

 

[CowboyRoy]

I truly hope this guy is exposed for what he actually IS this season.

I mean, I'm rooting for those extra five pounds to mean as much as everyone else is, but....

Yeah I know, all those catches.....who could ever grab a check down?? McKeon would have dropped most of those, yes?

Did they vote on PPR at the owners meetings yet?

Shultz is a pass catching TE. That's what he is. And he is good at it. Plenty of pass catching only type guys that get lots of money. I bet they draft a TE this year with an eye on possibly replacing him.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Schultz is not a good in line TE, as he cannot seal DE's nor pick off LB's allowing for the RB to get the corner.
Schultz wiffs when he tries to open field block and I never saw him engage and drive through -- he at best tried to get in the way.

Schultz was not a seam guy -- Jarwin was a seam guy....not Schultz.

Dallas had three WR that took 3-4 DB's to cover, so he was covered by the 5th or 6th best coverage guy on their D.

Dallas used their backs in the flat, so often times they were getting the better cover guy than the one who took Schultz.

I watched the games. Yes he can catch. Yes he can run Y-option, and yes he can get to the sidelines against LB's who are mainly worried about inside runs.
There is nothing about him that makes me think he is the answer at TE though, IF they really want to win a Superbowl.

Please Schultz make me eat crow..........but I just don't see it.

I see 3-5 TE in the draft that could do as much or more than what I have seen him do.

Shultz is a very good passing catching TE. Not such a good blocking TE. Plenty of very valuable pass catching TE's all over the league. Some teams have both.

 

[Dalmations202]

Shultz is a very good passing catching TE. Not such a good blocking TE. Plenty of very valuable pass catching TE's all over the league. Some teams have both.

So if you agree that he is really only a pass catching TE -- then do you agree that he is really the 4th WR option?
They have 3 WR they want on the field or at least did last year -- Coop, CD, Gallup and this year CD, Gallup, Washington.

They usually use a back, Zeke, in to pick up blitz and release to flat.

Is there a better 4th WR out there if you see him as a WR? One with better moves and better RAC -- if he is just a pass catcher?

And what should a 4th WR be paid -- more or less than a #3 slot WR?

 

[CowboyRoy]

So if you agree that he is really only a pass catching TE -- then do you agree that he is really the 4th WR option?
They have 3 WR they want on the field or at least did last year -- Coop, CD, Gallup and this year CD, Gallup, Washington.

They usually use a back, Zeke, in to pick up blitz and release to flat.

Is there a better 4th WR out there if you see him as a WR? One with better moves and better RAC -- if he is just a pass catcher?

And what should a 4th WR be paid -- more or less than a #3 slot WR?

He was the #2 receiving option last year behind Lamb. Shultz was a big part of Dak's passing game and security blanket on many first downs and down by the GL.

They basically made a decision of Cooper or Gallup and Shultz. Without question, they made the right call. Not even close to be honest.

Having Lamb as the new #1 certainly helped.

 

[ESisback]

If they draft a good one or trade for Deebo, will 2022 be the last one here for Shultz?

 

[fivetwos]

Shultz is a pass catching TE. That's what he is. And he is good at it. Plenty of pass catching only type guys that get lots of money. I bet they draft a TE this year with an eye on possibly replacing him.

He's good in that regard, but he does nothing exceptionally well. He doesn't deserve to be paid among the better paid TEs in the league, but I fully understand why they tagged him and am fine with it based on the reasoning that it's better than a long term deal for a little cheaper AAV.

I just want the run game to be better, and he isnt a good way to begin....so yeah I'm hoping for two new backs and a new TE for 2023.

I think we can win with Prescott if we have a solid running game, and very little shot by trying to feature him as a pure passer 40-50 times a game.

I'm pretty sure you agree there.

 

[visionary]

Draft a TE and move on
No long term deal for an average TE

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Needs to learn how to block to command premium contract dollars

just like everything else, the salaries keep going up. right now the elite group like Kelce, Kittle, Andrews, all are in the 15M+ range. the next group below that are good, not elite gets somewhere in the 11-14M range. keep in mind just like Dak's contract, initially will be high, but as more contracts get redone, the numbers go up. the Cap is about to go up by 20-25% and as a result almost all salaries go up by about as much over the next several years.