RECAP: Greg Ellis with BaD Radio on The Ticket...

[Doomsday101]

yea, he's kinda talking out of both sides of his mouth.
On one hand, he wants a committment from Jerry and Bill.
On the other, he says he understands they can't commit to him until they find out if he can play LB.
Not sure if he even knows what he is trying to say.

How is that? He knows his situation and understands theirs. Evidently he can see both points of view.

 

[Alexander]

You've got to wonder how Greg felt during three straight 5-11 seasons, when this team got embarassed on a routine basis. I wonder if he had a hard time dealing with the disappearing act he would routinely pull late in games?

What was different, I wonder?

Here, here.

But I don't remember him getting angry. Just saying the same thing, over and over, in monotone, just like Campo and the rest of them:

"We played hard and darn it, we just didn't get it done. We need to play better. I know this. We can do it."

 

[diamond cutter]

But it's not about the money? Right? Isn't that right?

You are taking part of my post and fitting it into your agenda. Let me quote myself:

If it was all about the money, Ellis would've tested Free Agency years ago - but it is more complicated than that. Its about making a contribution, its about being compensated for your work, its about being valued.

I think that Ellis wants to secure his future, while putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You've got to wonder how Greg felt during three straight 5-11 seasons, when this team got embarassed on a routine basis. I wonder if he had a hard time dealing with the disappearing act he would routinely pull late in games?

What was different, I wonder?

So then, your in favor of trading the guy yes?

 

[Alexander]

How is that? He knows his situation and understands theirs. Evidently he can see both points of view.

But he is confused why he isn't getting a "commitment".

That doesn't sound like he understands anything, particularly about contractual obligation.

 

[Doomsday101]

You apparently give points for style.

I don't.

I guess that is a fundamental difference between how we look at two people who basically have the same fundamental agenda.

They both want money and security and wanted "commitments" from their respective organizations.

He has asked for exsisting money in his contract to be restructed which would force the team in a position where it would be tougher to cut him. So when he has said he was not asking for more he actually was not asking for more than the contract paid. The team has declined to do so (I think the team was right in not doing it) and instead of throwing a hissy fit he has come out and tried to learn a new position which is something most vets are not asked to do.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But he is confused why he isn't getting a "commitment".

That doesn't sound like he understands anything, particularly about contractual obligation.

Sounds like he understands it pretty well to me. He's saying if it works out, then he probably gets to keep the contract for a few more years. If it doesn't, the team will cut him loose even with a signed contract.

 

[Alexander]

I think that Ellis wants to secure his future, while putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed.

In other words, he wants to be special and pampered.

He wants the 4-3. He wants a "commitment".

And tell me, why is it okay for Ellis to want to secure his future when it wasn't for Owens? It's the same thing.

And if he was concerned about putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed, why does he have a hard time trusting that Coach Parcells has already thought of it?

He has no excuses. He has been proven wrong, again.

 

[Alexander]

Sounds like he understands it pretty well to me. He's saying if it works out, then he probably gets to keep the contract for a few more years. If it doesn't, the team will cut him loose even with a signed contract.

And it is his own insecurity that has him believing that he will just wander the earth, a vagabond, shivering in the cold without a contract.

He just really is very insecure and really has no clue what he can do.

If he did, he might have been able to break the dreaded ten sack barrier for once in his career and live up to his draft status.

 

[wileedog]

Sounds like he understands it pretty well to me. He's saying if it works out, then he probably gets to keep the contract for a few more years. If it doesn't, the team will cut him loose even with a signed contract.

But he seems to be conveniently ignoring the part where be will scarfed up in a minute by another team in a league starved for legitimate pass rushers.

 

[Doomsday101]

In other words, he wants to be special and pampered.

He wants the 4-3. He wants a "commitment".

And tell me, why is it okay for Ellis to want to secure his future when it wasn't for Owens? It's the same thing.

And if he was concerned about putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed, why does he have a hard time trusting that Coach Parcells has already thought of it?

He has no excuses. He has been proven wrong, again.

Philly was not asking TO to be a RB or a TE. Ellis concern was as a vet player who had played DE his entire career was all of a sudden being asked to do something he had never done before. And while you may think this is was exactly the same deal with TO it does not change the fact Ellis has handle this without disruption to the team and without bashing others. Fact is you don't want to see a differance because your too busy defending the action of TO's past.

 

[Alexander]

He has asked for exsisting money in his contract to be restructed which would force the team in a position where it would be tougher to cut him. So when he has said he was not asking for more he actually was not asking for more than the contract paid. The team has declined to do so (I think the team was right in not doing it) and instead of throwing a hissy fit he has come out and tried to learn a new position which is something most vets are not asked to do.

He is doing basically what Owens did, except he lacks the guts to call the team on their bluff. That's classy. But again, I don't give style points.

And I wonder if Lousaka Polite can demand a commitment? What if he were asked to change positions to one he has never played before. Wait, he has.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In other words, he wants to be special and pampered.

He wants the 4-3. He wants a "commitment".

And tell me, why is it okay for Ellis to want to secure his future when it wasn't for Owens? It's the same thing.

And if he was concerned about putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed, why does he have a hard time trusting that Coach Parcells has already thought of it?

He has no excuses. He has been proven wrong, again.

How so Alex? Owens was allowed to secure his future when he was allowed to sign with the Eagles rather then have to honor his contract with the Ravens.

As far as Parcells, well, I think he is trusting in it. He's proven that buy showing up and putting fourth effort. He doesn't believe it will work but he is putting his trust in Parcells and the team, so to speak. The proof will be in the pudding. If he is wrong or right, we will know when he is actually on the field playing OLB. To me, that will tell the tale.

 

[diamond cutter]

In other words, he wants to be special and pampered.

He wants the 4-3. He wants a "commitment".

And tell me, why is it okay for Ellis to want to secure his future when it wasn't for Owens? It's the same thing.

And if he was concerned about putting himself in the best position to help the team succeed, why does he have a hard time trusting that Coach Parcells has already thought of it?

He has no excuses. He has been proven wrong, again.

I have never ripped on Owens, although his situation was different because he already had a multi-year deal when he started his little tantrum. He may not have seen the whole deal, but to protest a contract that you signed just one year previous -- seems like someone should be upset at themself rather than the team that offered it.

I don't think that I have ever heard or seen comments by Greg stating that he wanted the Cowboys to go back to the 4-3, just traded to another team or released like Glover.

 

[diamond cutter]

And it is his own insecurity that has him believing that he will just wander the earth, a vagabond, shivering in the cold without a contract.

He just really is very insecure and really has no clue what he can do.

If he did, he might have been able to break the dreaded ten sack barrier for once in his career and live up to his draft status.

I do agree 100% with your accessment. I think that he does undersell himself, but I don't blame him for at least resisting the change to his position.

 

[Alexander]

Philly was not asking TO to be a RB or a TE.

Apparently you weren't listening to a thing Coach Parcells said about the difference between what he was doing as a DE and what he will be doing as a LOLB in the 3-4.

I suggest you listen to that PC. Maybe then you will realize your stance here has virtually no legs to stand on.

Ellis concern was as a vet player who had played DE his entire career was all of a sudden being asked to do something he had never done before. And while you may think this is was exactly the same deal with TO it does not change the fact Ellis has handle this without disruption to the team and without bashing others. Fact is you don't want to see a differance because your too busy defending the action of TO's past.

Taylor did it last year, as has been pointed out before. He didn't like it and that was perfectly acceptable. He did not demand a "commitment". Big difference. You want to discuss class? That was class.

 

[Doomsday101]

He is doing basically what Owens did, except he lacks the guts to call the team on their bluff. That's classy. But again, I don't give style points.

And I wonder if Lousaka Polite can demand a commitment? What if he were asked to change positions to one he has never played before. Wait, he has.

It does not take guts to be a jerk and god knows TO has a good history of being just that. As for Polite your right he has not said anything however he has not seen the football field much since he has been in Dallas so any playing time to him is a plus.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

And it is his own insecurity that has him believing that he will just wander the earth, a vagabond, shivering in the cold without a contract.

He just really is very insecure and really has no clue what he can do.

If he did, he might have been able to break the dreaded ten sack barrier for once in his career and live up to his draft status.

I don't really see it that way. He is insecure with his role on the team, there is not doubt about that but which one of us can say we would feel differently? I know that if I were in his shoes, I'd have my doubts as well.

To be honest, I think Ellis knows full well that he would be in demand if he were released. To him, the security would be being able to be traded to a 43 team or better yet, be released and pick his situation. That is not going to happen so he's going to make the best of it. He doesn't have to like it but I do respect the fact that he's putting a good effort in at a minimum.

 

[diamond cutter]

He is doing basically what Owens did, except he lacks the guts to call the team on their bluff. That's classy. But again, I don't give style points.

And I wonder if Lousaka Polite can demand a commitment? What if he were asked to change positions to one he has never played before. Wait, he has.

Who says that Lousaka hasn't resisted the change??? I think Greg is making an effort to change his position.

 

[Alexander]

I don't blame him for at least resisting the change to his position.

Nor do I. My distaste begins and ends with his demand for a "commitment". Had that never come out of his mouth, I would have very little to say about it other than I hope he gets gets a shot of courage.