RECAP: Greg Ellis with BaD Radio on The Ticket...

[Alexander]

I do agree with the Cowboys organization in not doing this, even though I do understand Ellis point of view.

I understand he is asking for is something nobody and I mean, NOBODY, would get. To me, it is completely unreasonable.

Not unless you wanted a full scale contractual mutiny on your hands with all of the players on your roster.

 

[Doomsday101]

Ellis, despite his constant asking for a committment, is showing up and trying his hardest (from reports) to learn the new position.

I wouldn't put him in the same class as Owens.

If Owens blows up again, I will simply laugh. Most likely out of frusturation, but also bec. we deserve it too.

I hope Owens toes the company line.

But I know where I am putting my money on.

When it comes to Ellis, I will put my money on he won't be much of a problem, if any, at all.

Wish I could feel the same about Owens.

Hopefully my "thoughts" are wrong on Owens.

I agree. I would love it if things work out with Owens but like you I have doubts. I will say so far so good and some of the articals about TO have been unfair, he seems to be going out of his way to be a part of the team. I hope he can continue down this road.

 

[Echo9]

So 31 other NFL teams are just blind and couldn't see this for themselves and need him to make it obvious?

Yeah. I think he does need to make it obvious in order to make it a valid argument in negotiations. Makes denial from the other side a little more difficult.

Ya can't say "See I told ya"....if ya didn't tell em. He's tellin em.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah. I think he does need to make it obvious in order to make it a valid argument in negotiations. Makes denial from the other side a little more difficult.

But it isn't about money.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So 31 other NFL teams are just blind and couldn't see this for themselves and need him to make it obvious?

It is said that luck is where preperation and opportunity meet. Why wouldn't he make sure this message gets sent? I would if I were in his situation.

 

[Alexander]

It is said that luck is where preperation and opportunity meet. Why wouldn't he make sure this message gets sent? I would if I were in his situation.

But again, I do believe he is making a gross underestimation of not only his achievements but also how desperate teams are to secure the rights to pass rushers.

For every team that might be thinking to low ball him, there will be some team who won't.

All he would have to do is go straight to Washington. He would get a "commitment" fit for a king.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But it isn't about money.

Everything is about money Alex. Lets get past this. The team is doing what they are doing because of money. Ellis is doing what he is doing because of money.

 

[Doomsday101]

I understand he is asking for is something nobody and I mean, NOBODY, would get. To me, it is completely unreasonable.

Not unless you wanted a full scale contractual mutiny on your hands with all of the players on your roster.

As I said I agree with the organization in not redoing the contract for the very reason you are giving. The point of view I understand from Ellis is the unknown of changing jobs and how that may effect him in the future. He is not a young player any more.

 

[Alexander]

Everything is about money Alex. Lets get past this..

I agree.

I really wish Ellis would get over and and quit insulting our intelligence by saying it isn't.

Over and over again.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah. I think he does need to make it obvious in order to make it a valid argument in negotiations. Makes denial from the other side a little more difficult.

Ya can't say "See I told ya"....if ya didn't tell em. He's tellin em.

I think you can send that message without skipping your team's voluntary workouts when you're supposed to be a team leader competing for a Superbowl for the first time in your career. That was just a completely 100%, bush-league, horsecrap, selfish act ... no matter how badly his fanclub wants to defend it. That's Troy Hambrick stuff.

 

[Alexander]

He is not a young player any more.

Nor would one poor year in a system he didn't fit in ruin his marketability as much as he says.

He is a gloom and doomer with absolutely no confidence in himself. That is his problem. I once thought he was a classic overachiever. I might have been wrong. Perhaps it is this one psychological flaw he has that has kept him from being as good as we thought he would be when we drafted him instead of Randy Moss.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But again, I do believe he is making a gross underestimation of not only his achievements but also how desperate teams are to secure the rights to pass rushers.

For every team that might be thinking to low ball him, there will be some team who won't.

All he would have to do is go straight to Washington. He would get a "commitment" fit for a king.

I agree. Part of the deal here, IMO, is that if he does not work out as an OLB in a 34, he definatly wants to get the message across that he will be available to 43 teams but he also wants to send the message that he is not a bad guy or team disruptor. That too effects money. Perceptions is everything. If the perception is that he was a good guy who didn't fit the plan any longer, he will get more money and better term of contract. If the perception is that he's trouble, he gets a series of 1 year deals. This, IMO, is also why he's trying hard to make it work. He needs to be able to say that he did everything he could to try and make it work but the scheme just didn't fit. That lends credability to the 43 thing.

 

[Doomsday101]

Nor would one poor year in a system he didn't fit in ruin his marketability as much as he says.

He is a gloom and doomer with absolutely no confidence in himself. That is his problem. I once thought he was a classic overachiever. I might have been wrong. Perhaps it is this one psychological flaw he has that has kept him from being as good as we thought he would be when we drafted him instead of Randy Moss.

You may be right I’m not a psychologist nor do I pretend to be one. What I do understand is he addressed the issue with the club during the off-season when concerns should be brought to the attention of a team and even though he did not get what he wanted he has come to camp, he has worked hard, has not been a distraction and has at least a chance to earn a bigger role if not a starting position because instead of pouting and throwing fits he is doing what is asked of him by the club just as I predicted he would.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I agree.

I really wish Ellis would get over and and quit insulting our intelligence by saying it isn't.

Over and over again.

I wish these guys would stop doing a lot of things they do but it is the reality of the situation. Look past it. It is what it is. I don't hold it against him because there are really worse offenses in the league. I understand both sides.

Honestly, I wish we would trade him so that we could see some value on him. I honestly believe we are going to have a pass rush this year, with or without him. JMO

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think you can send that message without skipping your team's voluntary workouts when you're supposed to be a team leader competing for a Superbowl for the first time in your career. That was just a completely 100%, bush-league, horsecrap, selfish act ... no matter how badly his fanclub wants to defend it. That's Troy Hambrick stuff.

Many have done this kind of thing. Emmitt did it when he was in dispute with the Club. Can't be OK for one but not for the other.

 

[zrinkill]

Emmitt was not under contract ........... he never held out

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

But he seems to be conveniently ignoring the part where be will scarfed up in a minute by another team in a league starved for legitimate pass rushers.

I don't think he's ingonring it. He has said, in the recent past, that he would like to be traded or released in order to go play for a 43 team. I think he knows the opportunity for him to sign another good contract is out there.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Many have done this kind of thing. Emmitt did it when he was in dispute with the Club. Can't be OK for one but not for the other.

Ugh, because Emmitt wasn't under contract with the Cowboys. Players typically don't (can't) practice when they're not under contract.

Come on, you're smarter than that. You're really so infatuated and such an unapologetic Greg Ellis supporter that you're trying to compare these two situations as justification for him pulling that Troy Hambrick bullcrap? Wow ... that's just shameless.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Emmitt was not under contract ........... he never held out

Really? He held out in 93, I believe, and he was most definatly under contract.

I would also point out that Ellis has not held out. He is in camp.

 

[Doomsday101]

Emmitt was not under contract ........... he never held out

He missed 2 games. Your right his rookie contract was over but they still consider it holding out which he did and had every right to do so.