RECAP: Norm Hitzges on our Roy Williams...

[trickblue]

There is a decision this team may have to contemplate. Like it or not, we live in a money world. People not performing to their level of pay risk losing their job. It's the real world. It happened to TO in Philly when his bonus of 15 mil came due.

I don't know what the Cowboys are going to do in the situation I am about to discuss.

Let's be honest. Roy William's play has declined in the last couple of years. Teams are obviously structuring their plays to isolate Roy in coverage.

The Cowboys have gathered quite a few DB's over the last two years in the draft and trades.

What are Roy's strengths? Blowing up plays around the LOS. Have we seen much of that lately? No. Have we seen the huge game changing hits? Not lately. In fact we have been concerned with his poor tackling as of late.

This is a all a side issue. The question is what do the Cowboys think of Roy Williams? Roy signed a contract extension in 2006. It did not kick in in 2006 and is bound through 2010. He was given a 11.1 mil signing bonus. These numbers are roughly accurate. He counts against the cap at somewhere just under 3 million dollars. On June 1st, if the club ponders releasing him, he would hit the cap for 2.5-2.9 mil. Next year would be around 5.9 mil. The way his new contract was drawn up, his base salary was under $600,000 last year. If you add that bonus spread out over 4 years, he costs the Cowboys roughly 3.5 mil per year over the length of the deal.

This year his base jumps to 3.72 mil. Next year 4.4 and in 2010 a bit over 4 mil. If the Cowboys contemplate cutting him, just under 3 mil this year and just under 6 mil next year, but 3.7 mil comes off the books in base salary this year so it would actually be a little advantageous. Next year, as we said, it would be 5.9, but the FOLLOWING year, Dallas would have 4 million they hadn't counted on. He is owed over 12 mil the next three years. The Cowboys have to ask themselves if he's worth over 4 mil for the next three years given his current level of play.

I hate saying this about a player but it is reality these days. It happens every day in the NFL.

Is he a three down S anymore? Absolutely not. We asked Brian Stewart in an interview on draft day that by picking up Pacman, Scandrick and Jenkins is it part of a plan to keep Roy off the field on passing downs. He paused and said... "yes"...

I think this jump in base salary this year puts a question mark by Roy Williams name in regards to his future here.

Adding to this discussion with his statements lately on not being comfortable in this scheme. Their was a meeting last week with Stewart and Campo on his role on this team come this year.

I said on draft day that with the players Dallas took, they were taking Roy off the field for 100 more plays. He is a two down player now...

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He's taking calls on this now...

 

[FCBarca]

I'm not a capologist but I'd love to see Roy gone from the team...Liability back there and frankly I'm tired of what we've come to expect from him.

If he were to catch on in NEngland, even, and flourish, I could care less...He's done here.

 

[Sarge]

Now why on earth would teams want to isolate Roy in coverage? ....or is that another myth????

 

[Chief]

We asked Brian Stewart in an interview on draft day that by picking up Pacman, Scandrick and Jenkins is it part of a plan to keep Roy off the field on passing downs. He paused and said... "yes"...

Ouch.

 

[juck]

I agree adios ROY

 

[Cowboyz88]

We asked Brian Stewart in an interview on draft day that by picking up Pacman, Scandrick and Jenkins is it part of a plan to keep Roy off the field on passing downs. He paused and said... "yes"...

Obviously, we need to send a "myth" list to Stewart since he belongs along side the media, players and fans who know nothing about Roy.

 

[Little Jr]

Now why on earth would teams want to isolate Roy in coverage? ....or is that another myth????

Myth 45 actually. Not worded exactly but close enough. This might actually make the myth list go to 47. Stay tuned and we'll see.:laugh2:

 

[jobberone]

I'm not writing him off but all but his strongest apologists can see that this year is a make or break for RW. I really doubt if they would cut him loose this year but there is a possibility. Very very low IMO. Personally I think he will be better. At least I'm hoping so for him and for the Boys.

 

[AdamJT13]

Now why on earth would teams want to isolate Roy in coverage? ....or is that another myth????

The myth would be that teams were very successful doing it (splitting the tight end wide to go 1-on-1 with Roy). They got a few short completions out of it, but that's it.

 

[AdamJT13]

We asked Brian Stewart in an interview on draft day that by picking up Pacman, Scandrick and Jenkins is it part of a plan to keep Roy off the field on passing downs. He paused and said... "yes"...

As has been discussed before, that's a rather loose interpretation of what Stewart actually said.

 

[Sarge]

As has been discussed before, that's a rather loose interpretation of what Stewart actually said.

What did he actually say? I didn't see it or read it - anyone know?

 

[DCfaninDC]

Man, I am so tired of all of this.

I really want Roy gone, but not because of his play. I just want to see what is the next thing that fans will blame for not winning.

 

[superpunk]

We asked Brian Stewart in an interview on draft day that by picking up Pacman, Scandrick and Jenkins is it part of a plan to keep Roy off the field on passing downs. He paused and said... "yes"...

Thank god we have more access to assistant coaches.

Soon special teams coach Jebediah Garrett will be out drinking with Newy Scruggs, and reveal that Tony Romo's voice is so bad, they let TO do the talking in the huddle.

 

[jobberone]

Where are all the other Roy apologists?

Jobberone runs for the back door.

 

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

Thank god we have more access to assistant coaches.

Soon special teams coach Jebediah Garrett will be out drinking with Newy Scruggs, and reveal that Tony Romo's voice is so bad, they let TO do the talking in the huddle.

Classic ! Jebediah...I laughed so hard that I think a little pee shot out .

 

[AbeBeta]

The myth would be that teams were very successful doing it (splitting the tight end wide to go 1-on-1 with Roy). They got a few short completions out of it, but that's it.

And for what reason would teams keep doing this? Do they not place any faith in KC Joyner's analysis?

 

[AdamJT13]

What did he actually say? I didn't see it or read it - anyone know?

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058228&postcount=1

Stewart was asked if adding a bunch of cornerbacks gives us the ability to take Roy off the field. He said yes, because you wouldn't do that if your third or fourth cornerback wasn't any good.

Stewart was later asked if our nickel packages would change. He said no, we'd still "deploy" against the offensive personnel.

Stewart never said anything about "a plan to keep Roy off the field in passing situations." Roy probably will be a nickel/dime linebacker in passing situations again, just like he was last year. The only time he might come out is if the offense "deploys" a four-wide offense in those situations, which is mostly when he came out in those situations last year.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The thing you have to look at too is if you do cut him this year, you must sign another SS which takes even more cap space. We have other safeties on the team and even Henry can move there, but if we cut Williams now with Killa gone also, who do we have that can play SS? Nobody. Everyone else is closer to being FS rather than SS.

 

[Stash]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058228&postcount=1

Stewart was asked if adding a bunch of cornerbacks gives us the ability to take Roy off the field. He said yes, because you wouldn't do that if your third or fourth cornerback wasn't any good.

Stewart was later asked if our nickel packages would change. He said no, we'd still "deploy" against the offensive personnel.

Stewart never said anything about "a plan to keep Roy off the field in passing situations." Roy probably will be a nickel/dime linebacker in passing situations again, just like he was last year. The only time he might come out is if the offense "deploys" a four-wide offense in those situations, which is mostly when he came out in those situations last year.

So, in your opinion, would you consider $4 million a year for a specialty player a good return on investment?

 

[AdamJT13]

And for what reason would teams keep doing this?

They did it only a few times per game, if that. Some teams never used it to target Roy. Often, they'd do it to get Roy out of the box -- spread the TE to the sideline and run up the middle.