RECAP: Norm Hitzges on our Roy Williams...

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stasheroo;2081986 said:
But what I've seen recently is a player needing to be coddled and schemes needing to be massaged to fit him. I see increasing 'maintenance' and dwindling 'returns'.

I don't see any better word to describe it. To me, the biggest disappointment is that this need to be coddled has taken to the field. When he isn't coddled, he goes into a shell. I don't think 3 years ago Roy would have let Bradshaw run his mouth the way he did in all those games without simply blowing him up and knocking him out of the game.
 

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stasheroo;2081986 said:
Me personally? I'm not dealing in absolutes one way or another.

My 'official' stance would be that I hope that Roy Williams can improve over the past two seasons.

I hope that he can return to being the force that he was and not the liability that I now see. I hope he can justify what he's getting paid and remain with the Cowboys.

But what I've seen recently is a player needing to be coddled and schemes needing to be massaged to fit him. I see increasing 'maintenance' and dwindling 'returns'.

Is he a terrible player?

No.

Is he a disappointment?

Yes. Right now, yes he is.

hard to disagree on that. on my own i've put roy on the "i don't give a damn about you anymore" pedistal after the note in the locker room incident. i don't hate the dude, i think he's still got big playmaker potential in him IF he wants to let it out. i do think his mind is elsewhere now and i don't think that's money alone.

here's to hoping he can find himself and get back to loving the game.
 

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iceberg;2081997 said:
hard to disagree on that. on my own i've put roy on the "i don't give a damn about you anymore" pedistal after the note in the locker room incident. i don't hate the dude, i think he's still got big playmaker potential in him IF he wants to let it out. i do think his mind is elsewhere now and i don't think that's money alone.

here's to hoping he can find himself and get back to loving the game.

What are the details on this note incident BTW? I have only heard about it in passing conversation and I never really paid attention...

The day Roy really pissed me off was last season, against the Giants, when SHockey scored a TD last year in the red-zone man-on-man coverage against Roy. It wasn't the fact that Roy got beat, but his late reaction and anticipation to the spot was so poor in my eyes, it was as if he had steel feet. And to top it all off, Roy acted as if he had no chance anyways and showed no emotion after the play. I thought to myself, what in the hell happened to this guy?
 

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iceberg;2081997 said:
hard to disagree on that. on my own i've put roy on the "i don't give a damn about you anymore" pedistal after the note in the locker room incident. i don't hate the dude, i think he's still got big playmaker potential in him IF he wants to let it out. i do think his mind is elsewhere now and i don't think that's money alone.

here's to hoping he can find himself and get back to loving the game.

Have to admit I don't know about any 'note incident', but I don't have anything against him personally (maybe knowing would change that?).

I would rather see Roy Williams picking up a bag of popcorn and walking into a film room rather than see him throw a medicine ball around in a pool.

Personally, I think his problems are above the neck.
 

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khiladi;2082003 said:
What are the details on this note incident BTW? I have only heard about it in passing conversation and I never really paid attention...

The day Roy really pissed me off was last season, against the Giants, when SHockey scored a TD last year in the red-zone man-on-man coverage against Roy. It wasn't the fact that Roy got beat, but his late reaction and anticipation to the spot was so poor in my eyes, it was as if he had steel feet. And to top it all off, Roy acted as if he had no chance anyways and showed no emotion after the play. I thought to myself, what in the hell happened to this guy?

stasheroo;2082017 said:
Have to admit I don't know about any 'note incident', but I don't have anything against him personally (maybe knowing would change that?).

I would rather see Roy Williams picking up a bag of popcorn and walking into a film room rather than see him throw a medicine ball around in a pool.

Personally, I think his problems are above the neck.

i'm sure someone will be along with more complete knowledge, but it was something about JJT writing something bad about roy in the press (guess it was the beginning of all the rage) and roy got mad and wrote up some "anonymous" note that was just "out there" from a responsibility standpoint and made me wonder if roy spent more than 10 minutes in grammar/english courses at OU.

anyone got a link/better memory? i just know that's when i put my 5 #31 jerseys away and only wore them when nothing else was clean.
 

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GimmeTheBall!;2081990 said:
Stewart should also be looking over his shoulder.
However Roy's play has been, Stewart's failure to adjust coverages and schemes has been even worse.
why? is roy gonna come from behind and horsecollar him?:laugh2:
 

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iceberg;2082044 said:
i just know that's when i put my 5 #31 jerseys away and only wore them when nothing else was clean.

You have 5 Roy Williams jerseys?!?!

Wow!

That might be as many as Adam!

I kid.

But seriously, how many jerseys do you own?
 

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Rampage;2082052 said:
why? is roy gonna come from behind and horsecollar him?:laugh2:

i was watching the "top 10 nicknames" show on the NFL channel they were talking about the "no name defense" of miami and i saw at least 1 if not 2 horse collar tackles. no point, just funny.
 

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stasheroo;2082054 said:
You have 5 Roy Williams jerseys?!?!

Wow!

That might be as many as Adam!

I kid.

But seriously, how many jerseys do you own?

i did go on a kick after awhile. roy was the very first player i ever bought a "named" jersey for. i just never cared about one. then when i did he was drafted and i got the blue one. then there was a black one w/blue lettering i had to have. then the thanksgiving throwback, then the probowl and when i thought i was done, the all black (black jersey w/black numbers) caught my eye and i had to have it.

from there i have a ware and a romo jersey now and i wear those two far more than roy anymore. so i don't really care about the dude but i don't push it to the other extreme and pretend it's fact. he's not as good as he used to be but he far from SUCKS to the level of attention he's gotten.

like bashing microsoft, giving kids ADD medication and driving an SUV, we as a people just seem to trend up and have to be a part of any current craze.
 

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iceberg;2082044 said:
i'm sure someone will be along with more complete knowledge, but it was something about JJT writing something bad about roy in the press (guess it was the beginning of all the rage) and roy got mad and wrote up some "anonymous" note that was just "out there" from a responsibility standpoint and made me wonder if roy spent more than 10 minutes in grammar/english courses at OU.

LOL... Roy doesn't handle criticism head-on it seems....
 

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AdamJT13;2080440 said:
As has been discussed before, that's a rather loose interpretation of what Stewart actually said.

..there was more comment at the time as I remember about RW's roles and what was the future in the defensive secondary..not so much that the changes were necessarily aimed directly at RW and his play.

I believe there was some leading statements about the age setting in with TNew and Henry and their upcoming contracts and was Jenkins and Scandrick going to be counted on immediately this year but also being projected as starters in a couple of years.

I beleive the answer again was "yes, but"..

..so why isn't everybody jumping all over those open-ended dangling statements, too..?

You know, it seems each year there is some player that is pointed out to not be living up to expectations. Last year, Roy Williams.

The year before that, Bradie James was a piece of junk that couldn't cover or tackle anybody and after the NO game we got crushed in, the mantra was to get rid of Bradie James at any cost. He was a huge bust.

Then the year before that, TNew was not meeting expectations because he wasn't getting enough ints. and wasn't playing well enough to be in the Pro Bowl and there were concerns about his being as advertised.

And the year before that, well..whatever.

I agree RW needs to play better and get his issues resolved so he just plays and quits thinking so much.

Maybe if other teams are trying to isolate on RW is part of the problem, why don't we do a better of job of moving him around and disguising our coverages so that doesn't happen so much and RW is in a position to be more disruptive instead of being a passive defender..?

I prefer to ask better questions than to just grind away on the obvious ones. This I beleive is the 3rd defensive scheme that RW and the other players have had to absorb in the last 4 years.

First there was the 4-3 under Zimmer, then he's asked to install a 3-4 defense then he's let go and shortly, along comes Phillips with his version of the 3-4.

That's a lot of changes in scheme and coaches in a short period of time and some players may not really handle it all that well immediately and need a period of adjustment.

And one other thing that stuck out at me that's Phillips broadcasted loud and clear when he became head coach in Dallas..something to the effect that he adapted the Phillips 3-4 to the talent of the players on hand to make it work and not the other way around.

So far with RW in particular, I think that's a blown statement. I haven't seen it yet. And he's not the only one not raising their game under these conditions..

Spears is barely breathing in this defense and we just got rid of Ayodele in a trade because he wasn't doing anything but regressing...

..Carp our #1 pick from 2 years ago is also tweaked about adjusting to the schemes and he can't find any traction, either.

For a guy who's been a Pro Bowler for 5 out of 6 years in his career and who last year accounted for like 113 tackles in this supposedly SB-quality defense..

..it's a bit of a stretch to say RW is not worth what we are paying him and he's a bum and walking a short plank playing for us with credentials like that.

:madden:

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iceberg;2082044 said:
i'm sure someone will be along with more complete knowledge, but it was something about JJT writing something bad about roy in the press (guess it was the beginning of all the rage) and roy got mad and wrote up some "anonymous" note that was just "out there" from a responsibility standpoint and made me wonder if roy spent more than 10 minutes in grammar/english courses at OU.

anyone got a link/better memory? i just know that's when i put my 5 #31 jerseys away and only wore them when nothing else was clean.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12737
 

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Look I think Roy Williams is over paid and has become an average SS funny how some other average strong safeties stepped up and made some plays in the playoffs and the one that was going to the pro -bowl did not.

No way we cut him this year I said that last year to many dollars he may plays less snaps hey there is always special teams to make up for it.

Next year is a different story it will be a wait and see approach after the season
 
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