Redshirt Byron Jones

[ilykdrama]

He's already not a starter.

 

[hornitosmonster]

What!!??

 

[black label]

I think that, even with the injury to Scandrick, we have the luxury of developing Jones a while before asking him to play a ton. He struggled pretty hard yesterday, but rookie DBs typically do. I am fine with him being 4-5 on the depth chart to begin the season and slowly moving forward.


I was also really excited to see him at safety but after watching yesterday, I think he is much better suited to cornerback where he can use his athleticism to stay on a WRs hip. I worry about his tackling at safety to be honest.

Still love the player, but no doubt he looks green. Let's make sure we save him for the next 4 years too!

 

[mitchell2254]

Great Idea!! It worked so well for Smith, Frederick, and Martin.

Oh wait...

 

[xwalker]

If they redshirt a guy on the 53 it will be Gibson. An inactive all season long. And I expect that, the Broncos had him on the phone for free agency when the Cowboys drafted him. Some team might have a spot if the Cowboys don't.

Yes, Gibson is the prefect example of a redshirt player. Assuming they keep him on the 53, he will likely be inactive all season.

Jones will be active all season and will play special teams regardless of how many snaps he plays on defense. There are expected to play more dime this year and have played some dime in the preseason. I noticed 1 play against the Vikings where they had 6 DBs on the field and Wilson was the single LB, IIRC. Jones will likely play in the dime packages. Last season they actually pulled Church off the field a few times and replaced him with Heath in obvious passing situations. I could see that happen again but with Jones instead of Heath.

 

[SportsGuru80]

What?????? SMH dumb post LMAO

 

[xwalker]

Cornerbacks don't get paid for tackling! Just look at HOF Deion Sanders. It's all about locking up your guy and preventing completions...grabbing INTs

In truth if you see a cornerback with a lot of tackles in a box score, it's almost always a really bad sign he was getting burned....and was forced into making tackles after his man was burning him for 20 yard completions.

I don't say this to critique Jones one way or another. I didn't watch the game. Just saying.

If a CB does not tackle he won't play much for Marinelli.

Ronde Barber had a lot of tackles and not because he was getting burned.

Deion Tackles:
2005 27
2004 8
2000 37
1999 39
1998 22
1997 30
1996 29
1995 24
1994 34
1993 20
Average: 27 per season, 0.9 per game

Ronde Barber Tackles:
2012 92
2011 79
2010 82
2009 77
2008 75
2007 58
2006 98
2005 99
2004 98
2003 97
2002 79
2001 71
Average: 84 per season, 5.2 per game

 

[speedkilz88]

I wonder if Deion should have played FS - once he had the toe issues. It's not like he couldn't tackle he would only make them if he had to - last resort. Well that is what the FS is the last resort. And in pass coverage he definitely had the range and ball hawking skills.

 

[T-RO]

If a CB does not tackle he won't play much for Marinelli.

Ronde Barber had a lot of tackles and not because he was getting burned.

Deion Tackles:
2005 27
2004 8
2000 37
1999 39
1998 22
1997 30
1996 29
1995 24
1994 34
1993 20
Average: 27 per season, 0.9 per game

Ronde Barber Tackles:
2012 92
2011 79
2010 82
2009 77
2008 75
2007 58
2006 98
2005 99
2004 98
2003 97
2002 79
2001 71
Average: 84 per season, 5.2 per game

Marinelli would have benched a HOF shut-down corner? Whatever you say!

Deion's "business decision" to avoid contact was part of why he had few tackles. The other part is simply this: if the guy you are covering never catches the ball...you never have to tackle him.

I'll repeat what I said for emphasis: Most of the time a cornerback has high tackle counts...it is a bad sign. It means he is giving up completions and having to make subsequent tackles.

 

[xwalker]

I'll repeat what I said for emphasis: Most of the time a cornerback has high tackle counts...it is a bad sign. It means he is giving up completions and having to make subsequent tackles.

Ronde Barber didn't have high tackle numbers because he was getting beat a lot. He was a 5x Pro Bowl and 5x All Pro player.

Revis has 3.52 tackles per game which is still a high number and that does not happen because he is getting beat often.

 

[CCBoy]

Looks like the starting corners are presently Carr and Claiborne. That leaves Jones, White, and Patmon for slot, backup, and packages.

 

[DogFace]

I predict Mo has a big year. May be resigned.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think that, even with the injury to Scandrick, we have the luxury of developing Jones a while before asking him to play a ton. He struggled pretty hard yesterday, but rookie DBs typically do. I am fine with him being 4-5 on the depth chart to begin the season and slowly moving forward.


I was also really excited to see him at safety but after watching yesterday, I think he is much better suited to cornerback where he can use his athleticism to stay on a WRs hip. I worry about his tackling at safety to be honest.

Still love the player, but no doubt he looks green. Let's make sure we save him for the next 4 years too!

Sorry bad that's not a good idea. Especially with the injury to Scandrick. You don't use a 1st rounder to ride the pine.

 

[darthseinfeld]

As there is no such thing as redshirt I the NFL, putting him low on the depth chart is the nearest equivalent. He will/should start the season as a STer and play limited snaps if any to begin with. Naturally through injury or his own improvement in practice he may see the field later on.

IR or burying him so deep on the bench he doesnt see the field is basically the NFL's equivalent to a redshirt

 

[Echo9]

Yeah, I've never understood this idea that someone can somehow get better by NOT getting more experience.

I do think that NOT playing can be helpful to a young inexperienced QB, but that it's generally the exception. I think there have been a good number of QBs that have had their careers ruined by playing too soon.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

Lmao no no no no need to redshirt, for a 5-7 rounder maybe but not Byron Jones Hell Na

 

[T-RO]

Ronde Barber didn't have high tackle numbers because he was getting beat a lot. He was a 5x Pro Bowl and 5x All Pro player.

I don't know why the logic is that elusive.

If a CB gets beat on 7 pass plays, but tackles his man after the catch 5 of those times...he will *appear* to be quite the stud the next day for someone who wasn't watching the game.

Yes it's a nice bonus if a cornerback is a bold, fundamentally sound tackler, but that's the best way to describe it: a bonus. Smothering the passing play and coming up with an occasional INT is what cornerbacks get paid to do.

Your tackle stats above w/Deion only prove my point: Deion probably had the lowest tackle total per game of any CB in the history of the game---yet he is considered one of the top 5 CBs to ever play.

 

[Cebrin]

For once we actually have some solid depth at CB. I think he'll share reps at multiple positions. Eventually once he puts that '1' skill set to fruition, he will start where he shines best.

 

[rpntex]

OP - I got what you meant from the "get-go". Unfortunately, we have a lot of posters on this site who got caught at the wrong time of the month with no tampons. In the literal sense of the word, he won't be redshirted, but I understand that you weren't being literal - just using that term in absence of anything else.

Of course, I don't think he'll "redshirt", either. But I do think Garrett and Marinelli will play the best players. And right now, Byron Jones is # 4 on the depth chart for CB. He will play and contribute, but for the time being, he's going to be the "dime" back when the Cowboys go with 6 DBs, as well as him getting occasional work at safety in certain packages.

 

[LatinMind]

To clarify - by redshirt I mean leave him lower on the depth chart. Right now he is being outplayed by both White and Patmon.

they play different posistions. White and Patmon are slot CBs who cover the smaller quicker slot guys. Jones will play outside and cover the TE's. They asking totally different things from jones to white/patmon