Reducing Romo's turnovers has not equaled more wins

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Doomsday101;3148000 said:
He has put up TD 22 thus far is not a bad number. He is being more careful with the ball because turnovers will get you beat quickly. Romo is making plays his team for different reason has failed at times but again a QB can only do so much. He does not play defense or special teams.

Some are miss interpreting my post. Like I said I'm not blaming Romo he's played very well the last 2 games BUT for the Cowboys to have any chance against NO he's going to have to go down the field and make some big plays. The Saints score almost every 2-3 minutes. Brees attacks! The Cowboys are going to have to be more aggressive if they're going to make the playoffs. Romo is simply going to have to take more chances or the Cowboys won't win another game the rest of the season.
 

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KJJ;3148025 said:
Some are miss interpreting my post. Like I said I'm not blaming Romo he's played very well the last 2 games BUT for the Cowboys to have any chance against NO he's going to have to go down the field and make some big plays. The Saints score almost every 2-3 minutes. Brees attacks! The Cowboys are going to have to be more aggressive if they're going to make the playoffs. Romo is simply going to have to take more chances or the Cowboys won't win another game the rest of the season.

I disagree about your last point. Romo can play conservative and win. They just have to execute. That's it. When you march down field you need to get 7 and not a missed field goal. All you gotta do is execute. Score some td's. Don't go down field and get a penalty.
 

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KJJ;3148025 said:
Some are miss interpreting my post. Like I said I'm not blaming Romo he's played very well the last 2 games BUT for the Cowboys to have any chance against NO he's going to have to go down the field and make some big plays. The Saints score almost every 2-3 minutes. Brees attacks! The Cowboys are going to have to be more aggressive if they're going to make the playoffs. Romo is simply going to have to take more chances or the Cowboys won't win another game the rest of the season.

You go down field when it is open not just to say you did. On most pass playes like most QB's he is looking down field if what he sees by making his reads force him to come down to the next level then he will. Frankly the crossing passes down the middle that we throw fairly often are much more high risk but he is looking for the open man based off the keys he is looking at. This is not back yard football where they say everyone go long. If Cowboys are to make it then they have to play smarter football it is not about taking risk that are not there.
 

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rocyaice;3148040 said:
I disagree about your last point. Romo can play conservative and win. They just have to execute. That's it. When you march down field you need to get 7 and not a missed field goal. All you gotta do is execute. Score some td's. Don't go down field and get a penalty.

Right now he's losing playing conservative because of penalties, breakdowns and our D not being able to stop teams on 3rd and long. The Cowboys are going to have to do something to score TD's or this season is going to be history. Folk is in a funk and FG's aren't going to help much anyway against the Saints the way they churn out TD's. I'm blaming the players around Romo for what's happened the last 2 games but we do have to start taking more shots down the field if we're going to score enough to win any of these next 3 games.
 

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Doomsday101;3148067 said:
You go down field when it is open not just to say you did. On most pass playes like most QB's he is looking down field if what he sees by making his reads force him to come down to the next level then he will. Frankly the crossing passes down the middle that we throw fairly often are much more high risk but he is looking for the open man based off the keys he is looking at. This is not back yard football where they say everyone go long. If Cowboys are to make it then they have to play smarter football it is not about taking risk that are not there.

Romo is a very good intermediate passer and with Folk in a funk it's going to take TD's for the Cowboys to make the playoffs. Romo is checking down alot because receivers aren't getting open. I would put Ogletree out there and see if his speed can stretch the field some and take a little pressure off Austin. We need to figure out a way for our receivers to get some separation. Our running game isn't real consistent and to stay with the Saints Romo is going to have to put the ball up and take some shots into the endzone. Alot of our drives are churning up yards but fizz out once we get inside the redzone. We dink and dunk around with the Saints and they'll blow us out by 25-30 points.
 

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KJJ;3148093 said:
Romo is a very good intermediate passer and with Folk in a funk it's going to take TD's for the Cowboys to make the playoffs. Romo is checking down alot because receivers aren't getting open. I would put Ogletree out there and see if his speed can stretch the field some and take a little pressure of Austin. We need to figure out a way for our receivers to get some separation. Our running game isn't real consistent and to stay with the Saints Romo is going to have to put the ball up and take some shots into the endzone. Alot of our drives are churning up yards but fizz out once we get inside the redzone. We dink and dunk around with the Saints and they'll blow us out by 25-30 points.

If we are moving the ball keeping it out of the saint’s hands we have a better chance of winning. I don't think getting into an all out passing war with the saints is the key to winning. I have no issue taking shots down the field when you have the opportunity I do not want to force things down field that are not there. As for our running, I think Dallas can run the ball on the Saints and I think there secondary has also been getting beat so hopefully we can have some good balance to our offense. I do agree we must do a better job inside the redzone if we expect to win the game
 

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InmanRoshi;3148009 said:
Eli couldn't carry his jock strap two weeks ago.

Doesn't matter Eli's team won. Eli's teammates stepped up and Romo's didn't. Romo is playing well but he's not getting any help.
 

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KJJ;3147915 said:
Romo is trying to be careful with the ball by making short high percentage throws.

Our WR's are still having trouble getting separation which has added to Romo's apprehension to throw passes over 6 yards. Dink and dunk!
The Cowboys are 6th in the league on passing plays over 20 yards and 2nd in passing plays over 40 yards. Yeah, some of those are because of YAC, but still...
 

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The OP is basically saying we need to take more shots down the field. We argue this back and forth on another forum where I say we need to run the ball more. The bottom line is that whether we run the ball more or take more shots down the field, this team has a nasty habit of stalling out with penalties.

Also, the few times we do get down into the redzone we blow opportunities when we become one dimensional whether it's pass pass pass or run run run. Until Opie Taylor figures out that it's ok to run and pass in the same series, we might actually score some TD's on a consistent basis in the redzone.

Even John Madden was saying in that video Theebs posted where we got stuffed by the eagles that play action would have been the call to get us in. Maybe we can get ole John to come over to the ranch and give Garrett some pointers and wipe that dew from behind his ears...;)
 

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Actually, OP, it has. Add in a few interceptions in a few of our close games (Wash, Philli, etc) and you get some more loses. What a ridiculous thread you have created here.
 

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It doesn't matter what they do as long as they learn to finish drives and score points.If they run it 10 straight plays or pass it 10 straight plays it doesn't matter,just finish the drive.

If they go in and start forcing the vertical game when it's not there is asking for disaster.This team has a hard enough time when not turning the ball over,turnovers will only magnify their problems.

They just need to go into the Saints game and play within themselves.Garrett needs to call a good game and the players need to execute the call.Don't panic if you get down by a few points and try to force something that is not there.


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Doomsday101;3148098 said:
If we are moving the ball keeping it out of the saint’s hands we have a better chance of winning. I don't think getting into an all out passing war with the saints is the key to winning. I have no issue taking shots down the field when you have the opportunity I do not want to force things down field that are not there. As for our running, I think Dallas can run the ball on the Saints and I think there secondary has also been getting beat so hopefully we can have some good balance to our offense. I do agree we must do a better job inside the redzone if we expect to win the game

It's going to be impossible to control the ball against the Saints because the Cowboys shoot themselves in the foot on almost every drive with penalties and Barber has too many no gains and negative plays. This takes us away from the run and puts us in alot of 3rd and long situations. The Saints are vulnerable defensively and the best way to beat them is to attack their weaknesses in the secondary. You're not going to beat them in the dome by trying to keep the ball away from them and win a 10-7 game. The way the Saints move up and down the field they force teams to shoot it out with them. Look how they attacked the Pats on the Monday night game a couple of weeks ago. It got so bad for NE they had to start passing up FG's and going for it on 4th down. It's going to take at least 30 points for the Cowboys to beat the Saints.
 

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craig71;3148114 said:
It doesn't matter what they do as long as they learn to finish drives and score points.If they run it 10 straight plays or pass it 10 straight plays it doesn't matter,just finish the drive.

If they go in and start forcing the vertical game when it's not there is asking for disaster.This team has a hard enough time when not turning the ball over,turnovers will only magnify their problems.

They just need to go into the Saints game and play within themselves.Garrett needs to call a good game and the players need to execute the call.Don't panic if you get down by a few points and try to force something that is not there.


Craig

Yes a one dimensional offense is very successful...:rolleyes:
 

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The Dodger;3148102 said:
The Cowboys are 6th in the league on passing plays over 20 yards and 2nd in passing plays over 40 yards. Yeah, some of those are because of YAC, but still...

We haven't had alot of those over 20 yard plays the last couple of weeks. When we do get one a penalty ends putting us back. The Cowboys have to get the ball in the endzone when they have the chance. They blow too many scoring opportunities.
 

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KJJ;3148135 said:
The Cowboys have to get the ball in the endzone when they have the chance. They blow too many scoring opportunities.
No argument from me there...
 

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Romo was ok on Sunday, not great; but he is not the problem.

As good as he has been this year, i think he can be even better.

I just wish he had a true QB mentor one with a great deal of NFL experience ala Tom Moore, but that aside i feel there are coaches and coordinators out there that could turn Tony into an offensive dynamo much like Brees in NO.

In the NFL these days you win one of two ways..

1/a terrific, dynamic offense filled with Pro Bowl caliber playmakers and fueled with top notch coaching. game planning and scheming.. combined with an adequate defense of smart workmanlike players with a couple of playmakers and an excellent coordinator (that hopefully is in pass rush mode a lot because of the offensive production).

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2/ less likely but still possible.. a terrific dynamic playmaking defense and a ball control offense

The cap doesn't allow for both anymore except in rare occasions where elite players are still on their first contracts.

Dallas tries to do both and fails at both.

We can't grind out wins because our defense isn't physical enough although we try with mixed results against some weaker teams.

The offense does not score enough to put teams on their heels and make them change their game plans to try and find some way to stop the juggernaught they will face that week. i.e. teams try to play ball control when they aren't really set up to do so etc..

I say surround Romo with the elite playmakers and coaching he deserves and then look out.

Think Aaron Rodgers is better than Romo, great QB, but better no way.
Guys got no offensive line and their defense was rebuilt in one season by Capers.

Come on.. our offense players aren't as good as Green Bay's.. B.S.

We need to get off the ball and load up with Romo before this guys career passes us all by.
 

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They have been stinking in the redzone lately..

Penalties still are a problem for this team.
 

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CowboyFan74;3148129 said:
Yes a one dimensional offense is very successful...:rolleyes:


I had to make the run/pass only crowd happy........:cool:


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rockwood2;3148152 said:
Romo was ok on Sunday, not great; but he is not the problem.

As good as he has been this year, i think he can be even better.

I just wish he had a true QB mentor one with a great deal of NFL experience ala Tom Moore, but that aside i feel there are coaches and coordinators out there that could turn Tony into an offensive dynamo much like Brees in NO.

In the NFL these days you win one of two ways..

1/a terrific, dynamic offense filled with Pro Bowl caliber playmakers and fueled with top notch coaching. game planning and scheming.. combined with an adequate defense of smart workmanlike players with a couple of playmakers and an excellent coordinator (that hopefully is in pass rush mode a lot because of the offensive production).

or


2/ less likely but still possible.. a terrific dynamic playmaking defense and a ball control offense

The cap doesn't allow for both anymore except in rare occasions where elite players are still on their first contracts.

Dallas tries to do both and fails at both.

We can't grind out wins because our defense isn't physical enough although we try with mixed results against some weaker teams.

The offense does not score enough to put teams on their heels and make them change their game plans to try and find some way to stop the juggernaught they will face that week. i.e. teams try to play ball control when they aren't really set up to do so etc..

I say surround Romo with the elite playmakers and coaching he deserves and then look out.

Think Aaron Rodgers is better than Romo, great QB, but better no way.
Guys got no offensive line and their defense was rebuilt in one season by Capers.

Come on.. our offense players aren't as good as Green Bay's.. B.S.

We need to get off the ball and load up with Romo before this guys career passes us all by.
Interesting perspective...pick a side of the ball and load up. If your offense is good enough, who cares if the defense is great...much less good?

I'm sure that part of what makes the Saints defense good (at least with turnovers) is that opposing offenses have to constantly push it and take risks that they normally would not take to keep up, causing mistakes along the way because they simply aren't good enough to keep up with the Saints offense, kinda like the Rams of 1999.
 

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The Dodger;3148177 said:
Interesting perspective...pick a side of the ball and load up. If your offense is good enough, who cares if the defense is great...much less good?

I'm sure that part of what makes the Saints defense good (at least with turnovers) is that opposing offenses have to constantly push it and take risks that they normally would not take to keep up, causing mistakes along the way because they simply aren't good enough to keep up with the Saints offense, kinda like the Rams of 1999.

Yes exactly, do one or do the other. If you plan on grinding it out with three running backs and a great defense, you don't spent 45 million on a wide receiver.

If you are going to go go go on offense you don't pay a grinding running back a fortune and spend millions upon millions on your defense.

Do one or the other but do it at an elite level with elite coaches and players.
 
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