Replay Timing

[Relayer]

I imagine logistics and cost are a component

The networks spend a ridiculous amount of money to manage the broadcast, from cameras, to setup, to processing.

Duplicating all of that just for the league could be seen as duplicate effort.

There could even be straight up logistical issues. How do you double he number of cameras? And wires? And cables?

“A typical regular season NFL game uses 12 to 20 cameras, but this number increases significantly for primetime games and special events like the Super Bowl, which can use over 100 cameras”

I get the point, I do, but this is the first time I’ve recalled this coming to light.

I've seen late replays that could change the play before.

 

[pancakeman]

As long as we’re being suspicious, I did notice that the one moment I can remember of sideline footage from the game, Flournoy gesturing that he tipped the punted ball, was nowhere to be seen in the “sounds of the sidelines” video.

 

[Relayer]

So our own scoreboard guys didn’t put up the replay?

That actually checks out.

I don't think that's what he said. He was simply referencing things that happen.

 

[Relayer]

The Dez catch and the Saints non-PI call vs. the Rams are two blatant examples that does lead one to question the integrity of the league and the accountability of officials. I don’t know know if Bill Vinovich has officiated a game in New Orleans since that day out of fear for his life. In other professions there is accountability. Your boy was rewarded with officiating a super bowl not long after that blown call.

The saints call is a whole nother level.

 

[Relayer]

On a play where the defender can feel whether or not he made contact with the ball, the coaching staff should give him the benefit of the doubt as to whether to challenge a play. The players should be coached to sell any contact with the ball on a play like a punt where they are penalized for roughing the kicker.

Players already have too many reasons to pull Hollywoods. I really like Josh Allen but his constant trying to draw flags annoys the crap out of me.

 

[Relayer]

Amen! This is exactly what I think is happening and can be avoided.

I'd imagine there was more money on the Eagles than the Cowboys. By that logic the books would have wanted the Boys to win. Wait.... They did win.

 

[Relayer]

I try to never blame a league-wide conspiracy (involving hundreds of people) for referee behavior when simple incompetence is usually the answer.

You're wrong! And we never landed on the moon and have had alien bodies locked away for decades.

 

[Relayer]

BTW, if the league and refs are crooked, then why can't Jerry grease a few palms so we can get to the SB? It's not like that would be below him or anything.

With as many times as he's gone after the NFL? I imagine they don't like him much.

 

[Relayer]

That is not what happened. It was ten minutes later that the video was available and it *still* was hard to tell a tip had occurred.

The video wasn’t shown until after the eagles had scored.

Adding insult to injury.

 

[gimmesix]

Maybe they could include plays like that as part of the review all turnovers rule. It is technically a turnover.

Think they only view it as a penalty since the team that has the ball retains it, but it might not be bad if they considered it in the turnover rule. They don't want to review every penalty, but plays like that that can change possession should go on that short list.

 

[gimmesix]

That is not what happened. It was ten minutes later that the video was available and it *still* was hard to tell a tip had occurred.

The video wasn’t shown until after the eagles had scored.

I don't think it was hard to tell, but I agree that it was too late when Fox got the close-up. However, Fox's crew was busy worrying about showing the game, which is why I think an officiating crew needs to have a digital feed where it can comb over plays like that one. With technology the way it is now, it would not take forever to have found the tip with a dedicated crew looking at potential game-changing plays.

 

[805BoysInBlue]

I'd imagine there was more money on the Eagles than the Cowboys. By that logic the books would have wanted the Boys to win. Wait.... They did win.

3 Point underdog at home?

 

[Flamma]

If the player is adamant, then you have to trust the video evidence is there.

Especially when you are already down 7-0 and this penalty gives them 15 yards and a first down. My question is, what would he challenge? You can't challenge a penalty. Can you challenge a tipped ball? I don't know.

 

[Relayer]

3 Point underdog at home?

Which would indicate there was more money on the Eagles. The conspiracy is taking shape.

 

[Brax]

That's the actual opposite of what I said or what that's for they're doing the real live viewing in New York watching the same game we're watching and they have a button to push and it rings right down to the referee on the field and says you should review that There's nothing making that longer than a coach throwing the red flag actually that even takes longer..

So don't be saying you folks are bonkers to me i'm saying this new rule was put in place to avoid these things to make the coaches make a decision when they don't have enough information New York should have easily saw that they should have a better look at it in real time watching the same game we do in the broadcast that's why we're blaming the broadcast if they didn't give the proper replay then the coach and New York didn't have enough information that's it it's all saying.

Agreed with you above I think that when Ryan went over and said I hit it I hit it the coach should immediately threw the red flag he should not argue he should have trusted his player I get it but we're talking about the network not properly displaying the replay so the game could be played the way it was designed the replays were designed in the game to utilize so it's fair that was a big play at the moment luck need the Cowboys were able to make a comeback but that doesn't change the fact that it could have been the game sealing play and you can't have that...

Literally have replay so the games could be fair in those types of moments not for everything else there's a lot of things that we can let go but this is one of them so that's what we're talking about the network not properly for whatever reason showing the replay so that way everyone can make a decision but New York should have been much quicker at seeing that and just buzzing down that they should replay it without the red flags you're not wasting the red flags,,

But explain to me oh wise one how that take any more time if you said that the coach should have trusted to play and he threw the red flag any different than if New York got to see this right kind of you and if our coach saw the right view he called the red flag the game stopped either way so I don't see your point at all we're talking about keeping things legitimately fair and that was a big missed play..

That's it that's what we're talking about we're not talking about ticky tack Gray area that is a massive bad call to call that roughing the kicker when the man tipped the ball it should have been replayed it should have been got right it wasn't that's all we're doing right now it would not extended the game because the coach would have thrown the red flag anyway there would have been break anyway talk about getting the **** **** broadcast done right..

What you are talking about is something they see that’s obvious called an expedited review, the key word is easily seen, it was in question until the blown up picture was shown. I stand by you folks are bonkers.

 

[Brax]

That's not what we're talking about we're talking about did New York do this on purpose or not but they're liable for showing the proper broadcast and the proper play so it can be replay one way or the other they would have stopped the game whether Brian would have listened to Brian and threw the red flag or whether they got a better look at it he threw the red flag or whether New York would have called down and got it right it would have been a stoppage in place so your theory is wrong we're not trying to make the game longer we're trying to keep it fair and legitimate and whether that was accidental or not it was something that needs to be fixed because replay is part of our game and if they are egregious and negligent for not showing the right broadcast everyone can at least take a quick look at it before the next play and throw the red flag That's what we're talking about because you're saying that he should have thrown the red flag listening to the player then it would have been a stoppage anyway I still don't understand what your point is we're all in agreement they should have stopped the damn play and reviewed it and it would not have gone down the way it did they would have had to punt the ball or I don't even remember the play did the recover it I mean what happened either way it would have been a flag it would have been Cowboys ball and we were talking about this stupid play if Fox got it right in the first place is the debate not making the game longer..

Fox got it right, now what you folks are saying Fox is a ref come you guys are talking nonsense

 

[Brax]

He did trust Flo. There was simply no evidence.

The league said the play on the field would have stood so the HC made the right decision to not challenge.

I see nowhere where the NFL said it would stand, if BS threw the challenge then during the review the blown up video would have been available. Blown up video is used all the time in challenge review

 

[Brax]

The enhanced view wasnt shown or available till the Eagles were down the field.

If the challenge was thrown the enhanced video would have been available it’s done all the time in reviews. This is how it works it’s no conspiracy

 

[Spottswoode]

I imagine logistics and cost are a component

The networks spend a ridiculous amount of money to manage the broadcast, from cameras, to setup, to processing.

Duplicating all of that just for the league could be seen as duplicate effort.

There could even be straight up logistical issues. How do you double he number of cameras? And wires? And cables?

“A typical regular season NFL game uses 12 to 20 cameras, but this number increases significantly for primetime games and special events like the Super Bowl, which can use over 100 cameras”

I get the point, I do, but this is the first time I’ve recalled this coming to light.

The excuse the league used sounds odd. The NFL uses the Hawkeye Eye SMART system which is installed at every stadium and in New York. This is what it says on the NFL Football operations site:

“Hawk-Eye collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.”

 

[Spottswoode]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

From NFL Football Operations website:

The NFL uses Hawk-Eye Innovations’ Synchronized Multi-Angle Replay Technology — or SMART — system to combine all available live video feeds from the NFL’s broadcast partners in one place. The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.

Ahead of the 2021-22 season, the NFL installed Hawk-Eye’s SMART system in Art McNally GameDay Central and stadium replay booths across the league. With this technology, replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff in New York can now review multiple camera angles at the same time throughout the game and during replay reviews.

Hawk-Eye collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.

Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.