Replay Timing

[SteveTheCowboy]

I mentioned this in the game thread. It seems as if FOX deliberately doesn't show replays, like the tipped punt for example. When Schotty was asked why he didnt challenge it, he said they didnt have a clear video. I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

I agree..they seem very selective on replays. Theres time and interest in tge replay and they're like nope, new york ordered no replays and no...review.we just talk instead.


I think Al gave it away....several plays later he admitted "looks like it was touched but we watched 30 times".

Really Al...so nfl wouldnt let you do that when it matters?


Having said...i think shotty should have tried. The penalty was more critical than a lost timeout.

 

[Spottswoode]

I agree..they seem very selective on replays. Theres time and interest in tge replay and they're like nope, new york ordered no replays and no...review.we just talk instead.


I think Al gave it away....several plays later he admitted "looks like it was touched but we watched 30 times".

From NFL Football Operations website:

The NFL uses Hawk-Eye Innovations’ Synchronized Multi-Angle Replay Technology — or SMART — system to combine all available live video feeds from the NFL’s broadcast partners in one place. The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.

Ahead of the 2021-22 season, the NFL installed Hawk-Eye’s SMART system in Art McNally GameDay Central and stadium replay booths across the league. With this technology, replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff in New York can now review multiple camera angles at the same time throughout the game and during replay reviews.

Hawk-Eye collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.

Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

From NFL Football Operations website:

The NFL uses Hawk-Eye Innovations’ Synchronized Multi-Angle Replay Technology — or SMART — system to combine all available live video feeds from the NFL’s broadcast partners in one place. The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.

Ahead of the 2021-22 season, the NFL installed Hawk-Eye’s SMART system in Art McNally GameDay Central and stadium replay booths across the league. With this technology, replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff in New York can now review multiple camera angles at the same time throughout the game and during replay reviews.

Hawk-Eye collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.

Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.

The play has to be under review.

Most reviews happen after replay on jumbo tron.

If the nfl network and affilates refuse to replay it...SMART system not engaged.

Very sus.

 

[Runwildboys]

I imagine logistics and cost are a component

The networks spend a ridiculous amount of money to manage the broadcast, from cameras, to setup, to processing.

Duplicating all of that just for the league could be seen as duplicate effort.

There could even be straight up logistical issues. How do you double he number of cameras? And wires? And cables?

“A typical regular season NFL game uses 12 to 20 cameras, but this number increases significantly for primetime games and special events like the Super Bowl, which can use over 100 cameras”

I get the point, I do, but this is the first time I’ve recalled this coming to light.

They wouldn't need to double cameras. Just piggy back the feed to their own crews.

 

[Spottswoode]

The play has to be under review.

Most reviews happen after replay on jumbo tron.

If the nfl network and affilates refuse to replay it...SMART system not engaged.

Very sus.

combine all available live video feeds from the NFL’s broadcast partners in one place.

collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.

It doesn’t matter what they want to replay. Every camera angle is simultaneously sent.
They aren’t waiting on the broadcast to select the plays to send. They are all sent simultaneously. That is the purpose of the SMART system.

And it doesn’t need to be under review. There are many plays during a game that the replay booth and NY has discretion to review on their own without a requested review. And inside of 2 minutes, challenges are initiated by the replay officials.

And what is shown on the Jumbotron. That is just 1 of many angles that can be shown.

While I agree that the coach may only be able to see what is shown on the Jumbotron, that is a limitation of the league. There is no way they could show every angle between plays.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

combine all available live video feeds from the NFL’s broadcast partners in one place.

collects and synchronizes every broadcast angle of every play in a game. Video from these camera angles is simultaneously sent using technology from Cisco to both the stadium replay review booth and AMGC in New York.

It doesn’t matter what they want to replay. Every camera angle is simultaneously sent.
They aren’t waiting on the broadcast to select the plays to send. They are all sent simultaneously. That is the purpose of the SMART system.

And it doesn’t need to be under review. There are many plays during a game that the replay booth and NY has discretion to review on their own without a requested review. And inside of 2 minutes, challenges are initiated by the replay officials.

And what is shown on the Jumbotron. That is just 1 of many angles that can be shown.

While I agree that the coach may only be able to see what is shown on the Jumbotron, that is a limitation of the league. There is no way they could show every angle between plays.

You...said this :

. The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.
Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.


Your whole comment and premise was "play under review".


And lets say nfl has all this instant data...and refuse a replay ir review?

Its even worse than i thought.

And the often show more than one angle on jumbotron.


not sure who im talking to but you seem full of...it
.

 

[Spottswoode]

You...said this :
Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.

I’m not saying anything…this is what it says on the NFL operations site.

As far as what you are showing above, what that says is NY officials and REPLAY BOOTH can send up to 4 selected camera angles to the officials on the field through a tablet.

In other words, the replay officials (stadium & NY) will go through all the camera angles, choose the 4 that will best allow the on-field officials to make a decision, and send them to their tablets.

The field officials can’t be expected to go through 30 camera angles.

P.s. AMGC stands for Art McNally GameDay Central. That is New York.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I’m not saying anything…this is what it says on the NFL operations site.

As far as what you are showing above, what that says is NY officials and REPLAY BOOTH can send up to 4 selected camera angles to the officials on the field through a tablet.

In other words, the replay officials (stadium & NY) will go through all the camera angles, choose the 4 that will best allow the on-field officials to make a decision, and send them to their tablets.

The field officials can’t be expected to go through 30 camera angles.

I never said the field officials should. Nfl has that data and the resources.

You think they arent looking at that data live?

Oh...please read my edit.

 

[Spottswoode]

You...said this :

. The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.
Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.


Your whole comment and premise was "play under review".


And lets say nfl has all this instant data...and refuse a replay ir review?

Its even worse than i thought.

And the often show more than one angle on jumbotron.


not sure who im talking to but you seem full of...it
.

Why am I full of it. Check for yourself.

https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/instant-replay/hawk-eye/

My whole premise wasn’t play under review. I actually never said those words.

 

[Spottswoode]

I never said the field officials should. Nfl has that data and the resources.

You think they arent looking at that data live?

Oh...please read my edit.

Then why did you quote a section that talked about what is sent to replay officials.

And it’s automatically sent to the booth and NY. I don’t know why you are angry at me and keep moving the goal posts to confirm some conspiracy.

I have no idea if the replay booth or NY is looking at the replays. That wasn’t the point of this thread. This thread turned into a conspiracy that Fox is withholding information for some devious purpose. It was even suggested that maybe there were ties to gambling.

Sometimes conspiracies are fun. Other times they are silly.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

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My whole premise wasn’t play under review. I actually never said those words.

Youre tripping.

The technology gives NFL replay officials quick access to multiple angles of a play to make faster, more accurate replay review decisions.

staff in New York can now review multiple camera angles at the same time throughout the game and during replay reviews.



Replay officials at the stadium and AMGC staff can simultaneously review multiple camera angles and select the best option to rule on the play under review. Up to four selected synchronized camera angles can be sent to the tablet used by the referee during replay reviews.

 

[Spottswoode]

I never said the field officials should. Nfl has that data and the resources.

You think they arent looking at that data live?

Oh...please read my edit.

https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/instant-replay/hawk-eye/

Watch the 1 minute video and you will see that replay officials have all the camera angles views in real time.

He even says that it is different than the old process where they waited for whatever camera angles the TV networks chose to show the officials.

 

[Spottswoode]

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Youre tripping.

That is what it says on their website. Those aren’t my words. I shared the website with you. Check for yourself.

 

[Spottswoode]

The play has to be under review.

Most reviews happen after replay on jumbo tron.

If the nfl network and affilates refuse to replay it...SMART system not engaged.

Very sus.

None of your comments have been true. You just want there to be a conspiracy.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

https://operations.nfl.com/officiating/instant-replay/hawk-eye/

Watch the 1 minute video and you will see that replay officials have all the camera angles views in real time.

He even says that it is different than the old process where they waited for whatever camera angles the TV networks chose to show the officials.

You keep saying "review "....

I have never debated or questioned hie officials review.

I debate and question how they get to a review.

Not showing a replay is one way it avoid it. Don't give a team a chance to look at a questionable play.

You call me a conspiracy nut...and yet...you also say nfl (new york) has a ton of instant information.

Now...add in the unholy alliance of Vegas betting with pregame numbers from hosts and massive in game betting advertisements.

We have something rotten in Denmark. They arent even trying to hide it now..

 

[Spottswoode]

I try to never blame a league-wide conspiracy (involving hundreds of people) for referee behavior when simple incompetence is usually the answer.

The premise of this entire thread is misinformed. The only thing sketchy is the nonsensical answer given by the VP of officiating blaming it on Fox.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

That is what it says on their website. Those aren’t my words. I shared the website with you. Check for yourself.

Don't play games. You said what you said. It's all right there.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I try to never blame a league-wide conspiracy (involving hundreds of people) for referee behavior when simple incompetence is usually the answer.

So explain Vegas and nfl in bed together.

Explain why...when there is plenty of time....the network does not replay. When you can see coaches and players looking at jumbo tron..


Has nothing to do with refs.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

You folks are bonkers, let’s make the game 5 hours and review each play for penalties, it’s almost like you folks have never seen a game.

This dude spotts claims nfl new York has access to instant multiple views. But refuses to show replays let alone review.

Nobody said every play. But a blocked punt...is too much to ask for?


It's hilarious you guys think the nfl are a bunch of innocent Lil saints.

 

[Spottswoode]

You keep saying "review "....

I have never debated or questioned hie officials review.

I debate and question how they get to a review.

Not showing a replay is one way it avoid it. Don't give a team a chance to look at a questionable play.

You call me a conspiracy nut...and yet...you also say nfl (new york) has a ton of instant information.

Now...add in the unholy alliance of Vegas betting with pregame numbers from hosts and massive in game betting advertisements.

We have something rotten in Denmark. They arent even trying to hide it now..

The OP’s said:
I learned today that the NFL relies on the broadcast to get their footage for reviews. Now I know this sounds crazy but, this seems like a way that a network can somewhat influence the game as well as a way to help ratings. Theres no way the NFL should be relying on a TV network for their video review. Not sure why this isnt beign talked about more. I know for a fact that if I worked for a TV network, none of the teams I hate would ever see a review till much later in the game as well.

You responded with this:
I agree..they seem very selective on replays. Theres time and interest in tge replay and they're like nope, new york ordered no replays and no...review.we just talk instead.
I think Al gave it away....several plays later he admitted "looks like it was touched but we watched 30 times".
Really Al...so nfl wouldnt let you do that when it matters?


First, Fox doesn’t have any say over what the NFL reviews. They get all the camera angles automatically. A better way to phrase it is the NFL relies on the broadcasts cameras to get their footage.

When you say Fox says “nope” New York ordered no replays, again untrue. New York orders nothing from Fox. All the camera angles are sent automatically.

As far as Al, the NFL doesn’t decide what Al gets to see or what they broadcast. If Al has a beef with what he was given, he needs to take it up with Fox.