Report: Commanders want Peppers

[Woods]

That argument was all over the map.

Lets start with Orakpo- he is a good player, you believe, but won't be a good player like Ware, you believe.

Hard to judge a guy after thier rookie season. In December 2005, Chris Cooley was beating Ware for TDs in a 35-7 thrashing at FedEx. I think Ware turned out ok, I believe.

The Haynesworth argument- Remains up in the air,there seem to be lots of assumptions about what Haslett will do with him. In the only substantial interview Haslett has had, he spoke of moving AH around (NT, 3-4 DE, even LB!!) Shanahan talked about playing a whole bunch of 4-3 fronts.

This isn't going to be your 1986 Giants 3-4

The last part of your argument is basically saying "well, even if they fix the D the O will suck," which of course we have no clue what the talent on the O will be next year, or in 2011, or 2012.

The Commanders aren't winning the Superbowl in 2010 or 2011. The goal is going to be not to horribly suck and embarras the franchise those 2 years and prepare to compete in 2012

but will shanny even be around in 2012? it's not like snyder is the most patient guy around.

the problem with the Commanders is snyder. you guys need to pray he sells the franchise.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

but will shanny even be around in 2012? it's not like snyder is the most patient guy around.

the problem with the Commanders is snyder. you guys need to pray he sells the franchise.

He can't be any worse then Chan Gailey can he?

Norv had one playoff apperance in 7 seasons, his time was up.

Snyder's big mistake with firing a coach too soon was Marty.

Or else he wanted to keep Spurrier (why he did is beyond me, he deserved the axe)

Gibbs left after year 4 instead of year 5, and Snyder wanted to sign Gibbs to an extension.

And Zorn deserved to have his *** fired :laugh2:

No way can Snyder, with the amount of money he is paying Shanahan, fire him before 2012. Thats 21 million more flushed down the tubes

 

[Sonny#9]

Unless Orakpo or Peppers is the next D-Ware it's not going to be nearly as smooth a transition.

Orakpo is a pretty darn good player, I believe, but he's not going to be as good as Ware I don't believe.

Orakpo had a better rookie year than Ware did...so I would say he's off to a fine start

And Dallas didn't have the situation with Haynesworth to deal with either in their move. They didn't have a fat, over paid, lazy D-Lineman who made it perfectly clear that he didn't even like the amount of run responsibility he had in a 4-3. Now what do you think he's going to do in a 3-4 where he's going to rush the passer even less? You think he's going to be super happy about it?

You clearly stated:

The Commanders moving to the 3-4 is going to be one of the greatest blunders ever.

The Maginot line was one of the greatest blunders ever. Waging a land war in Asia is one of the biggest blunders ever. Going up against a Sicilian with death on the line is one of the biggest blunders ever. Converting to the 3-4, with what the Skins have right now hardly qualifies. You make a good point about Haynesworth whining. But didn't Dallas also have a giant headache named Greg Ellis...who complained, constantly. Haynesworth still played pretty well, when he was on the field. I also recall him trying to get back on the field after being injured several times. With the new staff in place, I expect him to be slightly more motivated. And didn't Ratliff put up decent sack numbers from the NT spot?

It's a bad move given the guys they've got currently. Now maybe they'll draft a super great class of of people for their defense and it will work out amazing. The problem is that while they're doing that they'll be neglecting the other things they need to upgrade even more than their defense and that's their QB situation and more importantly than any of it their O-Line.

It won't matter what their D is upgraded to, or how well it does, as long as they continue to have an offense that a high school team could shut down.

Once again, Dallas did it with 4-3 personnel and a 4-3 coach, and a whiney Greg Ellis. I am not saying it's going to be a smooth transition. I am not saying they'll be good next year -- we both know they won't be. But your argument is full of hyperbole and weak arguments. And to say that it will NEVER work is ridiculous.

Now about the offense...No we don't have personnel. However Kyle Shannahan as OC might be just a slight upgrade over Sherman Smith (a wee bit of sarcasm there) Keenan McCardell, who got rave reviews from Giants camp for his work with their WR last year, is a clear upgrade over useless Stan Hixon. Losing Buges will hurt...and I don't know enough about Foester to have an opinion. We have a professional coaching staff rather than the bunch of amateur morons that were here last year.

Yes, the Commanders will probably be terrible next year. However, they have a legitimate front office and coaching staff now. Vinny is gone. Zorn is gone.

 

[CF74]

Yes do it, I'm sick of this guys name already and he will be another over priced FA reach that won't make a difference anyways...

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Once again, Dallas did it with 4-3 personnel and a 4-3 coach, and a whiney Greg Ellis. I am not saying it's going to be a smooth transition. I am not saying they'll be good next year -- we both know they won't be. But your argument is full of hyperbole and weak arguments. And to say that it will NEVER work is ridiculous.
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Remember though our HC was a 3-4 coach Parcells, that helped our 4-3 DC tremendously...You can't say the same for Shan

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Orakpo had a better rookie year than Ware did...

Shawn Merriman did too.......

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Orakpo had a better rookie year than Ware did...so I would say he's off to a fine start

Quincy Carter had a better rookie year than Donovan McNabb.

Some people say cucumbers taste better than pickles.

Huh?

What?

What?

Huh?

 

[Sonny#9]

Remember though our HC was a 3-4 coach Parcells, that helped our 4-3 DC tremendously...You can't say the same for Shan

He's actually not a defensive coach at all...however our DC is.

 

[Sonny#9]

Shawn Merriman did too.......

And? I said he's off to a fine start...

 

[zrinkill]

He can't be any worse then Chan Gailey can he?

I thought you were gone till 2012?

 

[NeonNinja]

Shawn Merriman did too.......

Yeah, and there were rumblings off steroids usage w/ Orakpo just like Merriman. But I don't care what skins fan say, he's not going to be better than Ware. I give Orapko credit though for his outstanding rookie season but let's see him do it consistantly.

 

[Sonny#9]

Yeah, and there were rumblings off steroids usage w/ Orakpo just like Merriman. But I don't care what skins fan say, he's not going to be better than Ware. I give Orapko credit though for his outstanding rookie season but let's see him do it consistantly.

Really? Do you have a link for that?

 

[CowboysFaninBaltimore]

He's actually not a defensive coach at all...however our DC is.

Oh Marty Schottenheimer is calling. He is calling to say this is going to be another failure along side the other coaches who quit..So hows Mark Brunnell and Gregg Williams doing hahahahahaha. Man you guys never fail to amuse me.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I think the Bears get him.

 

[Sonny#9]

I think the Bears get him.

I really hope he goes to Chicago or Philly...I have no interest in him in Washington..

 

[Bonecrusher#31]

Yeah, and there were rumblings off steroids usage w/ Orakpo just like Merriman. But I don't care what skins fan say, he's not going to be better than Ware. I give Orapko credit though for his outstanding rookie season but let's see him do it consistantly.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was HGH....That brutha has a HUGE Noggin..

 

[ringmaster]

10 years, 250 million, 90 mil guaranteed...make it happen Danny!

 

[jimmy40]

Yeah, and there were rumblings off steroids usage w/ Orakpo just like Merriman..

way to talk out of your ***

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yeah, and there were rumblings off steroids usage w/ Orakpo just like Merriman. But I don't care what skins fan say, he's not going to be better than Ware. I give Orapko credit though for his outstanding rookie season but let's see him do it consistantly.

never heard that, have a link to back it up?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I think the Bears get him.

The Bears are the most desperate team. Without a first or second round pick, they have to upgrade the team some how. As far as money goes, the rumor now is washington wants to trade Hayensworth to afford Peppers (probably realize there will be a cap in 2011), so CHI may be in a position to offer more money