Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

[mickswag]

So what charge would that be

Dunno. Not familiar with the NC penal code. He just cannot be tried for an offense that arises out of the same criminal incident if each offense contains an element found in the other.

 

[Echo9]

And out the first round... Like this year..

Were we out the first round? or did we beat the Lions?

But about Hardy, if he is in fact innocent of the charges (which seems so if the charges have been dismissed) and the Panthers STILL cut him, I say we go after this guy full bore. Top of the list FA acquisition (outside our own guys like Dez, of course)

 

[Idgit]

I think if you apply a logical approach here the simplest conclusion is that there was a deal struck with the witness to not testify and cause the dismissal of the case.

Why would you do that if you knew you could hire the best lawyers and you were in the right?

I'm not sure that's the simplest explanation. Perhaps the key witness had reasons other than getting paid off for not appearing in a jury trial. If I were going to strike a deal, I'd probably have done it before the first trial and avoided the negative publicity that came with it. On the other hand, if I"m a district attorney and I can't produce my key witness in an appeal after looking for her for four months, I might leak an oblique reference to the possibility of a deal having been struck to limit how foolish I look for having my case dismissed outright before trial.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The simplest explanation in my mind is that he wasn't guilty so the court dismissed the case. it's really really simple and a good example of why Occam's Razor is lazy thinking.

 

[Kaiser]

I think if you apply a logical approach here the simplest conclusion is that there was a deal struck with the witness to not testify and cause the dismissal of the case.

Why would you do that if you knew you could hire the best lawyers and you were in the right?

Because the best lawyers money can buy are going to charge you somewhere between 500K and 2 Million dollars, but the woman will take a tiny fraction of that to guarantee there are no further legal bills.

That is something that the lawyers recommend to their clients every day.

 

[jobberone]

I don't know about you guys but I'm signing 5 DC Cheerleaders to personal services contracts. That completes my offseason agenda.

 

[Nightman]

I'm not sure that they would. They could rework salaries to franchise him if need be.

http://espn.go.com/blog/carolina-pa...is-no-reason-for-panthers-to-consider-reunion

Sources said before Monday's development that the Panthers would not pursue Hardy in free agency next month, regardless of the outcome of his trial. That the charges were dropped was not a proclamation of innocence by the district attorney's office or sufficient reason for the team to change its stance.

It simply was a concession that the case could not be pursued because Nicole Holder, who accused Hardy of assaulting and threatening to kill her in May, would not cooperate.

That the district attorney's office said there was "reliable information Ms. Holder has reached a civil settlement" also was telling. It indicated Holder didn't cooperate because Hardy had enough money to make it worth her time to basically disappear.

Hardy, a Pro Bowl player in 2013, had enough money because the Panthers paid him $13.1 million last season to sit on the commissioner's exempt list for 14 regular-season and two playoff games until the case was resolved.

What won't disappear is the negative perception the case brought on Hardy, the Panthers organization and the NFL during the 2014 season.

Well then that's that. Better chance we can get him signed.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because the best lawyers money can buy are going to charge you somewhere between 500K and 2 Million dollars, but the woman will take a tiny fraction of that to guarantee there are no further legal bills.

That is something that the lawyers recommend to their clients every day.

And trials are not sure things even if you are in the right. I have settled two civil cases to this point in my life on that basis despite my belief in being in the right.

In Hardy's case the judge convicted him at the bench trial despite the witness giving an account at trial that deviated from what she told investigators initially. Reasonable doubt is what it is.

 

[Kaiser]

Two other points that I think are getting lost - if the girl really thought Hardy was guilty and wanted to take money to make all this go away she would get a ton more money in a civil trial after Hardy was convicted in a criminal trial.

Also people are forgetting is that the DA dropped this case and we still don't know what evidence Hardy had to back up his side of the story. Hardy told the 911 operator he had videotape of the whole thing. The DA very likely had been told what evidence Hardy's side had when he dropped the charges - meaning there very likely was evidence proving Hardy's side of the story. The one thing we do know is that the girl told different stories at the first hearing than she did in her initial report.

 

[Rogah]

Were we out the first round? or did we beat the Lions?

But about Hardy, if he is in fact innocent of the charges (which seems so if the charges have been dismissed)

Charges dismissed more certainly =/= being innocent of the charges.

 

[Kaiser]

And trials are not sure things even if you are in the right. I have settled two civil cases to this point in my life on that basis despite my belief in being in the right.

In Hardy's case the judge convicted him at the bench trial despite the witness giving an account at trial that deviated from what she told investigators initially. Reasonable doubt is what it is.

Totally agree. I'm not a lawyer but I was a Director at a Top Ten Law Firm and saw a ton of attorneys recommend a low cost settlement to an innocent client because it was the best thing for the client.

Also people need to remember that the hearing where Hardy was convicted was basically Traffic Court. The fact he wanted to go to a full jury trial and the DA folded his cards so quickly tells you all you need to know.

 

[gmoney112]

As with most instances like this, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

That being said, he'd be a hell of a pickup.

 

[Rogah]

Two other points that I think are getting lost - if the girl really thought Hardy was guilty and wanted to take money to make all this go away she would get a ton more money in a civil trial after Hardy was convicted in a criminal trial.

We don't know that because we don't really know what she got from this settlement. Sounds like she figured a bird in hand was worth more than 2 in the bush. Not sure I blame her.

 

[AbeBeta]

And trials are not sure things even if you are in the right. I have settled two civil cases to this point in my life on that basis despite my belief in being in the right.

In Hardy's case the judge convicted him at the bench trial despite the witness giving an account at trial that deviated from what she told investigators initially. Reasonable doubt is what it is.

Reasonable doubt is what it is.

We have reasonable doubt regarding whether Greg Hardy is a good person who doesn't beat women.

Pass.

 

[Kaiser]

Reasonable doubt is what it is.

We have reasonable doubt regarding whether Greg Hardy is a good person who doesn't beat women.

Pass.

Innocent until proven guilty. I didn't stop watching when Dallas Cowboy Safety CJ Spillman was accused of rape. Hardy isn't even on the team, he is just a potential signing.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Reasonable doubt is what it is.

We have reasonable doubt regarding whether Greg Hardy is a good person who doesn't beat women.

Pass.

You can turn it on its head if it makes you feel better but reasonable doubt is the standard you have to overcome and not the basis for a conviction.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Lol, wow, some of the rhetoric from the first trial is hilarious.



From that article. Sounds like the process is just a tool to give local benches and prosecutors the ability to politically grandstand on a farce trial. That was July ie when midterms campaigns were in full swing.

Modern day Mayberry. Tried, convicted and hung all in the same day.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Either way it doesn't really matter at this point. He wasn't convicted of anything and is completely off the hook. No Probation, no misdemeanor, nothing the League can act on.

I would sign him in a minute. He is the exact edge rusher we need and won't find in the draft. He should be significantly cheaper than Suh. Maybe 4/40 gets it done.

If he can be had for $10m AAV then wow what a steal. Curious to see what kind of market he will get.

 

[DenCWBY]

No thank you

I think there's a big mix up in that quote. That quote you posted was from Mark Sanchez referring to the Dallas defense after the last game we played in Phili.

 

[Nightman]

If he can be had for $10m AAV then wow what a steal. Curious to see what kind of market he will get.

You might have a point

If he gives a discount because of the trouble, it's probably for a shorter term