Report: DE Greg Hardy will not return to Panthers - Charges Dismissed 02/09/15

[skinsscalper]

When I was a younger man, I actually dated a girl that ended up being pretty bad into cocaine. I didn't know it when we first got together and I confronted her about it after a friend told me. She was pretty adamant that she wasn't going to quit even though I was dead-set against being with someone with that kind of habit. Well, even after that proclamation, I continued dating her for another four months because she was really, really, REALLY hot.

In other words, I can't judge Hardy.

Guilty here, also. Almost an identical scenario. I knew the girl was into coke but she was soooooo damn hot. I wasn't a choir boy at the time either. I found out early that cocaine and I got along FAR too well. I'd do a two or three day binge once in a blue moon but I always told the guy that I got it from NOT to answer any calls from me for at least two weeks NO MATTER WHAT. He, being a coke dealer and all, was actually cool enough to honor my wishes.

Back to the girl, though. She was hit hard with the whole thing. I actually grew up with her and knew her parents pretty well. They actually called me a couple of times asking if I had seen or heard from her. They weren't stupid and knew what she was doing. I had seen her after her parents called and told her she needed to get ahold of them. She gave me the attitude and we blew out. I told her I couldn't see her anymore because I wasn't cool with where she was with the coke and that I wasn't going to lie to her parents anymore about where she was at. I called her dad later that day and told him where she was. From what I understand, her family went to the house with her uncle in tow (who was a county sheriff) and they basically dragged her *** to rehab. After that I never heard anything about her again (I heard they took her to a rehab facility out of state). Hope she's O.K. to be honest because she was actually a cool chick and hotter than a day in the desert during the month of August. Damn she was HOT.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Eh, I'm not worried about that so much. People that want to hate the Cowboys will find a way to do it, whether it's a valid criticism or something they make up.

And we as fans will find it in ourselves to accept or even justify some bad behavior in defense of our favorite team.

I am not so much worried about fans. but distractions to the team, the players and locker room chemistry

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How do you feel about AP being a Cowboy?

I don't want AP neither. for multitude of reasons. AP is getting older. he wants a lot of money. and he would bring the same distractions. plus there are other running backs we can get, that although may not be as good, but can be effective given our OL. Often its not about ypc, but about number of carries and controlling the clock. our championship drive is not going to be about the running game but addressing the defense.

 

[visionary]

Guilty here, also. Almost an identical scenario. I knew the girl was into coke but she was soooooo damn hot. I wasn't a choir boy at the time either. I found out early that cocaine and I got along FAR too well. I'd do a two or three day binge once in a blue moon but I always told the guy that I got it from NOT to answer any calls from me for at least two weeks NO MATTER WHAT. He, being a coke dealer and all, was actually cool enough to honor my wishes.

Back to the girl, though. She was hit hard with the whole thing. I actually grew up with her and knew her parents pretty well. They actually called me a couple of times asking if I had seen or heard from her. They weren't stupid and knew what she was doing. I had seen her after her parents called and told her she needed to get ahold of them. She gave me the attitude and we blew out. I told her I couldn't see her anymore because I wasn't cool with where she was with the coke and that I wasn't going to lie to her parents anymore about where she was at. I called her dad later that day and told him where she was. From what I understand, her family went to the house with her uncle in tow (who was a county sheriff) and they basically dragged her *** to rehab. After that I never heard anything about her again (I heard they took her to a rehab facility out of state). Hope she's O.K. to be honest because she was actually a cool chick and hotter than a day in the desert during the month of August. Damn she was HOT.

Hello Hal (of Shallow Hal fame)

 

[skinsscalper]

Hello Hal (of Shallow Hal fame)

Haven't seen it.

However, if you are implying that I was shallow, I stand guilty as charged. I was 21, full of attitude, testosterone, and pockets full of cash. Sue me.

 

[phildadon86]

Pull the trigger immediately on this guy. He would take away a glaring need of ours and allow us more freedom in the draft in my opinion

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you read the Charlotte newspaper it said there were "inconsistencies" between what she told the police at the time and what she said in the first hearing. That is the reason they dropped the case, the prosecutor knew they couldn't make those things line up, and that even before you consider Hardy likely had evidence that proved his side of the story. He told the 911 operator he had video of everything, the NC Prosecutor likely knew that would win the case for Hardy as well.

This is the blurb from the NC paper, Murray is the DA in North Carolina:

In the Hardy case, Murray alluded to apparent inconsistencies between Holder’s initial statements to police on the morning of May 13, and the testimony she gave at Hardy’s first trial. Without Holder’s live testimony, Murray’s office said in a statement, “the state has determined it cannot go forward.”

Though Murray’s office said it couldn’t locate Holder, her Facebook account left plenty of clues of her whereabouts. In December she traveled to Vail, Colo., to snowmobile. She shopped in Atlanta on Dec. 22, and the next day she was in Grand Central Station.


Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ens-with-jury.html#.VNkZLS4eoWk#storylink=cpy

Lol, wow, some of the rhetoric from the first trial is hilarious.

In July, with Holder at his side, Zamora said Hardy’s conviction “sent a strong message to the people of Mecklenburg County that it doesn’t matter if you’re an average Joe or if you’re a professional athlete that plays for the Carolina Panthers: If you assault a woman and you communicate to that woman that you will kill them, you will be arrested. You will be prosecuted, and you will be convicted.”

From that article. Sounds like the process is just a tool to give local benches and prosecutors the ability to politically grandstand on a farce trial. That was July ie when midterms campaigns were in full swing.

 

[LatinMind]

First of all Little was convicted in 1998. He signed a series of small deals following the conviction. In 2002 he signed a 5 year deal worth less than $18m despite being named all pro. That is a AAV of less than $5m for a all pro pass rusher. Another all pro, Simeon Rice, signed a 5 year $30m deal.

I guess you think Little should have worked for free.

CJ is a allpro and so is Jordy Nelson, compare contracts. Not all contracts are the same.

 

[Stash]

I am not so much worried about fans. but distractions to the team, the players and locker room chemistry

I would advise reading up on what sort of locker room guy and teammate Hardy is. That should make you feel somewhat better.

 

[AbeBeta]

That wasn't the part that was particularly murky, but even the DA did not comment on whether or not a settlement had been reached in the case. Did she settle? Did she not want to bring the charges in a criminal court for some other reason? Was it a combination of the two things? It's really hard to say, and if we're going on the information that's being related to us by the press right now, keep in mind that this morning was the first anybody even had a whiff that the key witness in the state's case hadn't been cooperative or even heard from since Nov of last year. We're getting information that's incomplete and/or pretty heavily filtered at this point.

I was referring to the 911 tapes in this case and to what little is publicly available about the altercation as being 'murky.' There were allegations of guns, and of her attacking him with her shoe, there was him on the phone with 911 while directing his agent (?) to keep her from getting to him. There were comments from his neighbor who was obviously very much afraid of Greg Hardy. I don't know what you thought/think when hearing them, but, like most of these cases, it wasn't very cut-and-dry.

He was convicted at the earlier trial. Is that murky too?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was convicted at the earlier trial. Is that murky too?

In light of the prosecutors admission that they knew her testimony at trial contradicted her initial statements to investigators, I would say yes.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I would advise reading up on what sort of locker room guy and teammate Hardy is. That should make you feel somewhat better.

You were with me on the Mario Williams bandwagon with me couple of years ago weren't you?

The Simeon Rice talk reminds me of how successful that signing was for Kiffin and Marinelli's defense.

 

[speedkilz88]

He was convicted at the earlier trial. Is that murky too?

I don't think it was a trial. It's more of a replacement of a grand jury. If there is enough to have a trial. It was also put down as a misdemeanor.

 

[mickswag]

I don't think it was a trial. It's more of a replacement of a grand jury. If there is enough to have a trial. It was also put down as a misdemeanor.

It was a trial. It was a bench trial, meaning that the judge decides in that case. The judge = the jury in a bench trial.

Grand jury was not replaced. Grand jury decides whether there's enough evidence to indict.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't think it was a trial. It's more of a replacement of a grand jury. If there is enough to have a trial. It was also put down as a misdemeanor.

Yes, but the law in NC is really obtuse. In most other states, that's a felony

 

[Idgit]

He was convicted at the earlier trial. Is that murky too?

Did I say that that was murky? The connection is a matter of record, as is the appeal for the jury trial and today's dismissal. Does it seem murky to you that the two rulings conflict? Or are you the only person that's somehow clear on what's going on despite all the missing information, the missing key witness, and the obviously conflicting testimony?

 

[AbeBeta]

In light of the prosecutors admission that they knew her testimony at trial contradicted her initial statements to investigators, I would say yes.

Conflicting statements are pretty common in most cases of this nature.

I frankly don't want anyone even close to these situations involved with the team.

 

[Idgit]

Yes, but the law in NC is really obtuse. In most other states, that's a felony

The word you're looking for is 'murky.'

 

[AbeBeta]

Did I say that that was murky? The connection is a matter of record, as is the appeal for the jury trial and today's dismissal. Does it seem murky to you that the two rulings conflict? Or are you the only person that's somehow clear on what's going on despite all the missing information, the missing key witness, and the obviously conflicting testimony?

I think if you apply a logical approach here the simplest conclusion is that there was a deal struck with the witness to not testify and cause the dismissal of the case.

Why would you do that if you knew you could hire the best lawyers and you were in the right?

 

[Nightman]

It was a trial. It was a bench trial, meaning that the judge decides in that case. The judge = the jury in a bench trial.

Grand jury was not replaced. Grand jury decides whether there's enough evidence to indict.

Either way it doesn't really matter at this point. He wasn't convicted of anything and is completely off the hook. No Probation, no misdemeanor, nothing the League can act on.

I would sign him in a minute. He is the exact edge rusher we need and won't find in the draft. He should be significantly cheaper than Suh. Maybe 4/40 gets it done.