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[Signals]

So basically what this all means is that the Eagles are one good sack away from being a total wreck.

Might as well just put a target on Kolb's jersey.

 

[Sarge]

Vick doesn't have anything to do with it..

 

[jobberone]

I haven't forgotten what Vick did. Having said that he wasn't there when the shooting occured. Therefore he is not responsible. Some people here are throwing too broad of a blanket here. Maybe now he won't go to nightclubs period. Hopefully he learns a lesson to lay even lower.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Vick wasn't the shooter but that does not absolve him of parole violation.

Someone at the party had a gun and used it. If Vick has any association with the shooter then he has violated parole and NFL policy.

Even having the party to start with might be a violation of his parole. That is the point Vick defenders are missing...He is on parole...he is not 100% a free man.

You better believe that his parole officer and the NFL are looking into the situation.

 

[silverbear]

I understand what your saying. Dude doesnt have to be a saint tho.

Yeah, he pretty much does-- if he wants to continue playing in the NFL... they took him back after he was convicted of committing a felony, but he was made aware that he'd be on a really thin leash (pun intended)...

Playing in the NFL is not an inalienable right...


If he wants to go to a nightclub for a birthday party, so be it. If he knew the shooter, then he is gonna pay for that.[/quote]

The likelihood is that he did know the shooter... and people who carry guns into night clubs often have criminal records... which means he's hanging out with people he shouldn't...

I'm not saying Vick did anything criminal, or even wrong here, but what he did was profoundly stupid-- given his situation...

This is the real world, and those are the realities of his situation...

 

[JustDezIt]

Yeah, he pretty much does-- if he wants to continue playing in the NFL... they took him back after he was convicted of committing a felony, but he was made aware that he'd be on a really thin leash (pun intended)...

Playing in the NFL is not an inalienable right...


If he wants to go to a nightclub for a birthday party, so be it. If he knew the shooter, then he is gonna pay for that.
The likelihood is that he did know the shooter... and people who carry guns into night clubs often have criminal records... which means he's hanging out with people he shouldn't...

I'm not saying Vick did anything criminal, or even wrong here, but what he did was profoundly stupid-- given his situation...

This is the real world, and those are the realities of his situation...

i feel ya. but he can never go out again? maybe it is just too soon afterwards.

 

[silverbear]

He's not my hero.

And yet, you're always quick to defend him, no matter what he's done...

So he should just live at a monastery I see man.

Yeah, if he's a) on parole, and b) at risk for losing his very high paying job in the NFL, he should be wise about what he does, and who he associates with...

I don't think it's idiotic for the man If he can celebrate the day he was brought on this earth then what does he have?

Oh, gimme a break... I'm 58 years old, and have never thrown myself a birthday party... in fact, I've never thrown ANY party that had 300 guests...

And therein lies the problem-- Vick has this sick need to be seen as a Big Deal... that's what got him into dogfighting in the first place, that's what's always gotten him into trouble... but it seems that even going to prison hasn't cured him of that, even the threat of losing the one thing that made him a Big Deal in the first place hasn't cured him of that... so he throws this humongous party to celebrate himself, invites hundreds of people to tell him how great he is... his ego is destroying him, and he doesn't seem to be able to stop it (presumably because he's a freakin' idiot)...

Vick was in and out of trouble long before he got busted for fighting dogs (two friends got busted for distribution of marijuana in 2004, while driving a truck registered to him; just another example of his "friends" being rather unsavory characters)... now, he's still getting in trouble because of his "friends"...

Clearly, the guy's never gonna grow up, never gonna straighten up his life... he's still hanging out with lowlives, still desperately seeking adulation from anybody who will offer it... he still surrounds himself with people of dubious character, and apparently none of them even suggested that throwing a massive party at a night club was a dumb move... they are sycophants who never, ever tell him "no"... all they ever do is tell him his crap doesn't stink...

And as the old adage goes, a man is known by the company he keeps... well, one of the company he keeps is a guy who thinks nothing of bringing a concealed weapon into a night club, and thinks nothing of using it in front of witnesses...

Just because people can't control themselves when they get drunk in by no means should Vick take the fall for someone else's stupidity.

The stupidity is his-- for throwing such a big party in a night club in the first place, and for inviting the shooter... for you and me, or any "normal" citizen, that might not be a big deal, but for a convicted felon on parole it's monumentally STUPID...

If that's true then that's no fault of Vick's especially if he's not involved at all. This isn't the first club party to end in a shooting and it won't be the last.

And there's the point-- this isn't the first big party thrown by an NFL player that has ended up in violence (usually fistfights, not shootings, sometimes a stabbing)... and as you note, it almost certainly won't be the last... so, thinking logically here (a concept that I fear is alien to you), having some sort of violence occur at these festivities is somewhat predictable...

And Michael Vick, a convicted felon on parole, knowing all that, still threw the party... no, the shooting's not his fault, but that's not the point... the police don't blame him, he won't face any criminal charges... hell, he apparently did at least one thing right, and left the party shortly after the confrontation with his ol' buddy Quanis...

HOWEVER, if the police determine that the shooter was an invited guest at the party, and said shooter has a criminal record (which is likely, guys that don't mind shooting people in front of witnesses tend to be criminals), then Vick is guilty of violating his parole...

He's one of the well known athletes in America. There's no such thing as a low profile. Once again if he can't have a night out with some friends on his bday when the hell is he going to?

What part of "he's a convicted felon on parole" don't you understand?? And to dismiss this as having "a night out with some friends", when there were THREE HUNDRED people invited is pretty dishonest of you...

Somebody has to we can't condemn them all. Also incase you didn't know Roddy White was at the party also. Vick isn't involved in the shooting and I don't hear Roddy White name being thrown out there and being slammed.

The party was Vick's, the victim of the shooting was Vick's old friend/coconspirator... White has no such connection...

He also has no criminal record... man, you really can't grasp the obvious, can you??

OBV the only way Vick can win to you guys if he lock his self in his closet.

Obviously, Vick can do any damn thing he pleases and you won't have a problem with it...

As a convicted felon on parole (maybe if I repeat that phrase often enough, it'll sink in for you), and as an NFL player who's already on probation with the Commissioner, Vick should be doing everything he can to make sure that what happened at that party never happens to him again... clearly, he doesn't care about staying out of trouble, all he cares about is playing the Big Deal...

He and his brother Marcus are two punks who think the law doesn't apply to them... they're both garbage... period...

 

[silverbear]

I haven't forgotten what Vick did. Having said that he wasn't there when the shooting occured. Therefore he is not responsible. Some people here are throwing too broad of a blanket here. Maybe now he won't go to nightclubs period. Hopefully he learns a lesson to lay even lower.

Jobber, of course he's not responsible for the shooting... even the police investigating this are saying that...

What he IS responsible for is poor judgement in throwing the party in the first place, and perhaps a parole violation for inviting the shooter to his party... I think it's almost certain that a guy who carries a concealed weapon into a night club, then uses that weapon in front of many witnesses because of a stupid bar argument is also a guy with a criminal record, probably a rather lengthy one...

 

[silverbear]

i feel ya. but he can never go out again? maybe it is just too soon afterwards.

Smokie, he did a little more than just "go out"... he threw this massive party for himself, invited 300 people, for God's sake...

But yeah, he should be really, really careful about where he goes and what he does until he's off parole and out of Goodell's doghouse... his freedom, and his future financial security depend on it...

I hope you know that I'm not trying to insult you or your opinion... I say that because I am obviously being rather insulting toward DaBoys... he has a long history on this board for sticking up for the likes of Vick, while you're just making some points that you think are legit...

 

[ZeroClub]

No animals were harmed during the making of this story.

 

[Signals]

No animals were harmed during the making of this story.

Apparently one got shot.

 

[silverbear]

No animals were harmed during the making of this story.

I dunno, as far as I'm concerned Quanis, as an organizer of a dogfighting ring, is pretty much an animal...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

And yet, you're always quick to defend him, no matter what he's done...

So he's my hero because I'm not ready to say ban him from the nFL for life or call him a scum bag or trash. I'm sorry if you feel the way you do however, it's open season on Vick and it's just no warranted.

Yeah, if he's a) on parole, and b) at risk for losing his very high paying job in the NFL, he should be wise about what he does, and who he associates with...

You don't even know if one of his associates shot him. I'll just say this fight in night clubs don't tend to end well. With out knowing who shoot him or why he was shot. Why start bad mouthing Vick ?

Oh, gimme a break... I'm 58 years old, and have never thrown myself a birthday party... in fact, I've never thrown ANY party that had 300 guests...

I'm sorry silverbear I didn't realize you were a celebrity. What am I thinking. I maybe able to crack a 300 person limit if a threw a party but then again who knows. Still if a situation arrives he shouldn't be responsible everyone should be responsible for the selves. Why not blame the club owner since this happened at his club...etc etc etc.

And therein lies the problem-- Vick has this sick need to be seen as a Big Deal... that's what got him into dogfighting in the first place, that's what's always gotten him into trouble... but it seems that even going to prison hasn't cured him of that, even the threat of losing the one thing that made him a Big Deal in the first place hasn't cured him of that... so he throws this humongous party to celebrate himself, invites hundreds of people to tell him how great he is... his ego is destroying him, and he doesn't seem to be able to stop it (presumably because he's a freakin' idiot)...

One, you don't know why he started dog fighting in the first place. So please don't as though you do. Two I know plenty of people who have thrown parties on their birthday or for themselves it's not out of the norm nor is it anything for you to be so uptight about. This however, may just come from a difference in age 23 and yours of 58 and times. You grew up in a different era and time period the norm and things you grew up on do not hold out today. Times are a changing silver bear get with the times or get left behind.

Vick was in and out of trouble long before he got busted for fighting dogs (two friends got busted for distribution of marijuana in 2004, while driving a truck registered to him; just another example of his "friends" being rather unsavory characters)... now, he's still getting in trouble because of his "friends"...

If my friend ask to use my car I'd be like go ahead in the hopes that I'd they wouldn't break my trust and do something like that. As I am strongly opposed to marijuana and things of that nature. Vick clearly did not demonstrate this to his friends and his friends took advantage of him. However, it's still not him that's transporting the drugs but his friends....I thought you were going to bring up the Ron Mexico incident.

Clearly, the guy's never gonna grow up, never gonna straighten up his life... he's still hanging out with lowlives, still desperately seeking adulation from anybody who will offer it... he still surrounds himself with people of dubious character, and apparently none of them even suggested that throwing a massive party at a night club was a dumb move... they are sycophants who never, ever tell him "no"... all they ever do is tell him his crap doesn't stink...

The sad thing is. That there's low lives and dubious characters and degenerates and whatever else you want to call him. Can be friends and family. For you to not know him, no the people hangs around and to judge them like this is beyond arrogant. I'm not going to sit here and make excuse for him or his friends and family yet you have to understand it's no where near as clear cut as you make it out to be.

And as the old adage goes, a man is known by the company he keeps... well, one of the company he keeps is a guy who thinks nothing of bringing a concealed weapon into a night club, and thinks nothing of using it in front of witnesses...

I haven't seen any witnesses come forth yet. I don't know who shoot the guy. i don't even know if he's affiliated with Vick how is it that you know all of these things?

The stupidity is his-- for throwing such a big party in a night club in the first place, and for inviting the shooter... for you and me, or any "normal" citizen, that might not be a big deal, but for a convicted felon on parole it's monumentally STUPID...

Unless him throwing a party is a violation of his parole then I don't see how it's so stupid. Once again the man wants to celebrate his birthday I'm pretty sure he doesn't want it to end in a shooting.....

And there's the point-- this isn't the first big party thrown by an NFL player that has ended up in violence (usually fistfights, not shootings, sometimes a stabbing)... and as you note, it almost certainly won't be the last... so, thinking logically here (a concept that I fear is alien to you), having some sort of violence occur at these festivities is somewhat predictable...

I didn't mean it with just celebrities but it happens a lot. There's this one club that just always end a fight or a shooting. Even parties at my school got stopped because of a bunch of fights.

And Michael Vick, a convicted felon on parole, knowing all that, still threw the party... no, the shooting's not his fault, but that's not the point... the police don't blame him, he won't face any criminal charges... hell, he apparently did at least one thing right, and left the party shortly after the confrontation with his ol' buddy Quanis...

So wait, you mean to tell me he tried to have a good night out a fight breaks out he walks away and yet you still find him at fault I don't know what the man can.

HOWEVER, if the police determine that the shooter was an invited guest at the party, and said shooter has a criminal record (which is likely, guys that don't mind shooting people in front of witnesses tend to be criminals), then Vick is guilty of violating his parole...

How is that a violation of his parole ? it'd only be a violation of his parole if the shooter was one the guys from the dog fighting incident not an ex-con....

What part of "he's a convicted felon on parole" don't you understand?? And to dismiss this as having "a night out with some friends", when there were THREE HUNDRED people invited is pretty dishonest of you...

He's a celebrity, 300 people is a small number. Yeah he's on parole but that doesn't mean he can't throw a party.

The party was Vick's, the victim of the shooting was Vick's old friend/coconspirator... White has no such connection...

White was at the party and left white vick and said vick wasn't apart of the shooting..... However, if there's a connection between vick and the shooting then by all means white has to be connected also right?

He also has no criminal record... man, you really can't grasp the obvious, can you??

No, I understand this concept however, a criminal record doesn't mean that you should always point the finger at someone with out all of the facts. This is America guilty before innocent you already have it in your mind that Vick is this horrible terrible scum bag person with killers as friends dog fighting drug dealers and things of the nature.

Obviously, Vick can do any damn thing he pleases and you won't have a problem with it...

If you say so.

As a convicted felon on parole (maybe if I repeat that phrase often enough, it'll sink in for you), and as an NFL player who's already on probation with the Commissioner, Vick should be doing everything he can to make sure that what happened at that party never happens to him again... clearly, he doesn't care about staying out of trouble, all he cares about is playing the Big Deal...

IF he didn't care about staying out of trouble or he hasn't grown out then why did he leave after the incident with the guy? You think his friends wanted him to go ? Maybe because I'm a lot younger than you I can speak on these things however, when something like this happens and not the extent of someone getting shot your friends are going to want you to stick around.

He and his brother Marcus are two punks who think the law doesn't apply to them... they're both garbage... period...

If you say so. However, only knowing about the things that they do wrong and judging them is wrong. How about instead of judging just don't even say anything. Shake your head and keep it moving. There's no reason for you to judge, bash, and talk down about them because they been to prison and have had some run ins with the law. Going to prison does not give you the permission to disrespect them talk badly about them and talk down to them like this.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I understand what your saying. Dude doesnt have to be a saint tho. If he wants to go to a nightclub for a birthday party, so be it. If he knew the shooter, then he is gonna pay for that. If he didnt then i dont hold it against him. People have guns everywhere. Fights happen. Things escalate. If you dont agree with my opinion thats ok.

If he wants to stay playing in the NFL, then yes he does. That was pretty much the agreement to allow him back in. The comish told him "no room for error", which means, don't throw yourself a party with 300 or more people that is open to the public that ends in someone getting shot

He has every right to do what he wants within the law. But playing in the NFL is not a right. He made an agreement with NFL and he broke that agreement, I can't see how he is allowed to play another down in the NFL ever again.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

If he wants to stay playing in the NFL, then yes he does. That was pretty much the agreement to allow him back in. The comish told him "no room for error", which means, don't throw yourself a party with 300 or more people that is open to the public that ends in someone getting shot

He has every right to do what he wants within the law. But playing in the NFL is not a right. He made an agreement with NFL and he broke that agreement, I can't see how he is allowed to play another down in the NFL ever again.

If I go to a party and someone gets shot should I lose my job? Vick is being crucified because he's a celebrity he did nothing wrong. Unless he pulled the trigger he shouldn't lose his job.

 

[silverbear]

So he's my hero because I'm not ready to say ban him from the nFL for life or call him a scum bag or trash.

I call him your hero because, as I recall, you were one of his staunchest and most vocal defenders back when he was arrested for dogfighting... my memory seems to tell me that you have tried to justify literally everything he's done since that date...

Now, if I'm misremembering (which is always possible, I am 58, LOL), then I'll offer you an apology for calling him your "hero"... but if I'm right, I stand by what I said...

And if you're not yet ready to call him a scum bag or trash, after he CONFESSED to killing dogs for fun and profit, then I sure as hell never want to have anything to do with you in real life... I'd purely hate to see what your friends are like, what they do...

I'm sorry if you feel the way you do however, it's open season on Vick and it's just no warranted.

Most of the rest of the world will disagree with you... most of us think that since he got paroled from prison, he needed to walk the straight and narrow, and he's clearly not...

You don't even know if one of his associates shot him.

I know it was somebody he invited to the party...

I'm sorry silverbear I didn't realize you were a celebrity. What am I thinking. I maybe able to crack a 300 person limit if a threw a party but then again who knows.

Given your posting history in here, I figure the only way you could draw 300 people to a party you threw for yourself is if you were offering free hookers and cocaine... LOL...

Still if a situation arrives he shouldn't be responsible everyone should be responsible for the selves.

His party, his responsibility...

Why not blame the club owner since this happened at his club...etc etc etc.

Well, I certainly think the club owner used poor judgement in allowing a paroled felon to throw a big party at his club...

One, you don't know why he started dog fighting in the first place.

Actually, I do, because I read extensively on the subject back when it happened (I'm a Virginia boy too, and have been reading about the Vicks for years now)... it was all pretty thoroughly documented... it started when he was a kid (relatively speaking), when he went to dogfights for "fun"... seems a lot of his crowd was into that thing... and he came to look up to the guys who owned the dogs, so when he got some extra money, he got some friends together (because as a football player, he wouldn't be home often enough to train the dogs), and made himself the "man"...

Two I know plenty of people who have thrown parties on their birthday or for themselves it's not out of the norm nor is it anything for you to be so uptight about.

I'm not uptight about it, I just find it pathetic, throwing yourself a party... I have had birthday parties thrown FOR me, by friends or family, but it would never occur to me to organize one to celebrate the wonderfulness of me...

This however, may just come from a difference in age 23 and yours of 58 and times.

I don't know how to tell you this, but I was 23 once, and had a real good time... in fact, I partied pretty hearty until I was in my late 30s... even now, I can go at it with the best of them (except for drinking, diabetes prevents me from doing any more of that), so long as I can get about 18 hours sleep afterwards...

Don't delude yourself that I'm some board up my butt, stick in the mud old fogey... you'll probably need another ten years of partying to match the debauchery I engaged in in a younger day... drugs (just not those you need to
inject), booze, promiscuous sex, been there, done that...

I'm just not a lowlife like Vick is...

You grew up in a different era and time period

Yeah, I grew up in the 60s, when things were a hell of a lot wilder than they are today...

I'd suggest the problem here is not me and my age, but rather you and yours... I was still kind of naive and idealistic at 23 too, but I grew up... maybe someday you will too...

If my friend ask to use my car I'd be like go ahead in the hopes that I'd they wouldn't break my trust and do something like that.

I've loaned a friend my car once or twice too... but my friends aren't drug dealers... well, one or two of them are, but I sure wouldn't loan them my car...

his friends took advantage of him. However, it's still not him that's transporting the drugs but his friends....

Are you suggesting that he had no idea those friends were running drugs?? Gimme a break...

I thought you were going to bring up the Ron Mexico incident.

Naw, that's not criminal behavior, so I didn't think it was relevant... OTOH, it is another classic example of him being a dirtbag... decent people can get herpes, but if they are decent, they don't go running around having unprotected sex with partners who don't know about his condition...

But like the lowlife he is, he didn't care about those women, only about having a good time... if the women get herpes from him, hey, that's their problem, right??

Wrong...

The sad thing is. That there's low lives and dubious characters and degenerates and whatever else you want to call him. Can be friends and family. For you to not know him, no the people hangs around and to judge them like this is beyond arrogant.

Aw gee, I'm crushed... sorry if it disturbs you, but I will judge anybody who a) kills dogs for fun and profit, and b) associates with others who do... everybody involved in that "sport" is a piece of crap, period... I don't need to know anything else about them to come to that reasonable opinion...

Unless him throwing a party is a violation of his parole then I don't see how it's so stupid.[/quote]

I'd call that an indictment of your own intelligence... particularly since you yourself admitted that parties thrown by NFL players have devolved into violence before... I know that, even you know that, but Michael Vick can't figure it out??

So wait, you mean to tell me he tried to have a good night out a fight breaks out he walks away and yet you still find him at fault

Sure do, for one very simple reason-- in his situation, on parole and on thin ice with the league office, throwing that party was a moronic thing to do... so I find him guilty of extreme stupidity, so extreme he puts his freedom and his future in the NFL at risk...

How is that a violation of his parole ? it'd only be a violation of his parole if the shooter was one the guys from the dog fighting incident not an ex-con....

Wrong...

Ex-convicts on parole are not supposed to associate with other ex-cons... it's one of the explicit provisions of their parole... many a parolee has found himself back in jail for doing exactly that...

Again, your naivete is showing... you just don't know how the real world works...

He's a celebrity, 300 people is a small number. Yeah he's on parole but that doesn't mean he can't throw a party.

He can, but he shouldn't... not if he has a lick of common sense... clearly, he has as little as you seem to, perhaps even less...

I swear, I can't believe that you can't figure out what the problem is here... but it's far worse that Vick himself hasn't been able to...

No, I understand this concept however, a criminal record doesn't mean that you should always point the finger at someone with out all of the facts.

And you're STILL missing the point... I am NOT pointing the finger at Vick for the shooting... I don't think he had anything to do with it except perhaps very indirectly (the shooter may have thought that shooting the guy would put him in Vick's good graces)...

And I repeat, without knowing who pulled the trigger we know that he's the kind of guy who carries a concealed weapon to a night club, the kind of guy who will shoot a guy over a stupid bar fight (not even a fight really, an argument), and the kind of guy who will shoot a guy in front of a slew of witnesses... from that, I reasonably conclude that this guy is in all likelihood a criminal, likely an ex-con his own self...

And if that's the case, then that "friend" could well land Vick back in jail, because of that associating with other ex-cons thing... even if Vick didn't really know the guy, didn't know he was a criminal; as the old saying goes, ignorance of the law is no excuse... it is Vick's responsibility to make SURE that he's not associating with people who can land him back in jail, and inviting 300 people is stupid given that...

you already have it in your mind that Vick is this horrible terrible scum bag person with killers as friends dog fighting drug dealers and things of the nature.

If you say so.

ROTFLMAO... he DOES have friends who were into dog fighting, and friends who were drug dealers... that has been established beyond all doubt...

And yeah, if you have friends like that, you're a "horrible terrible scum bag person"... but the problem is that he doesn't seem to be making the changes in his life to keep himself out of trouble... he apparently still thinks that he's above the law, and can do pretty much whatever the hell he wants to...

IF he didn't care about staying out of trouble or he hasn't grown out then why did he leave after the incident with the guy?

Because the guy is an ex-con, and if the police arrived and they were both still there, Vick could go to jail for parole violation... he was bright enough to figure that out...

Jesus, you should be able to figure that out...

Maybe because I'm a lot younger than you I can speak on these things

I see, because you're younger than me, you understand more about how the world works... LOL...

There's no reason for you to judge, bash, and talk down about them because they been to prison and have had some run ins with the law.

Hoss, I'll "judge, bash and talk down about" ANYBODY who's gone to jail for killing dogs for fun and profit... yeah, I'll admit that I hate Vick with a white-hot passion... I was hoping that maybe prison had wised him up, and that he'd try to live decent after that, but this latest incident shows that he's still making stupid life decisions... I can only conclude that he doesn't WANT to live decent...

Going to prison does not give you the permission to disrespect them talk badly about them and talk down to them like this.

I wonder, would you say the same thing about an ex-con who went down for child molestation??

 

[silverbear]

If I go to a party and someone gets shot should I lose my job?

Are you an ex-con on parole??

Vick is being crucified because he's a celebrity he did nothing wrong. Unless he pulled the trigger he shouldn't lose his job.

I'm pretty sure that his parole officer and the commissioner of the NFL would have a bit different take on that... Vick doesn't have to worry about us, and probably doesn't care about what we think, but he does need to worry about them... this could get him kicked out of the NFL, even land him back in prison...

I don't know if it will or not, but if you were on parole, would you be that stupid?? Would you take such a risk with your high-paying job and your freedom??

 

[Hostile]

Just call Silverbear The Bus Driver, because he took that kid to school.

 

[casmith07]

Just call Silverbear The Bus Driver, because he took that kid to school.

You can call him the weather man, because he just made it rain.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Just call Silverbear The Bus Driver, because he took that kid to school.

I'm just shocked he used the multi quote button