Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[jnday]

As far as I'm aware, no one's denied that Romo has a "history of turnovers" in the general sense of that phrase. Where we part ways is when you act like his history of turnovers is somehow worse than that of other QBs in the league. He has had some epic meltdowns. But his overall stats are elite. Stats look at an entire career, and you're cherry-picking a few games. So which one is going to be considered the rule, and which is considered the exception? An entire career, or a few games?

I know, it's hard for you to forget those times when you were clutching your binky crying into your pillow after we lost games to the Jets and Lions. But what about those games where he beat undefeated Peyton Manning and undefeated Drew Brees? Are they that easy to forget?

So yeah, when you focus on the meltdowns and ignore the triumphs, you're going to get the hater label... I don't see why that's any more unfair than labeling Romo a choker.

I can correct your first assumption in a hurry. I have repeatedly said that I don't compare Romo to other QBs. Go back and check my previous post in this thread. You are 100%!wrong on that assumption. Actually , your whole post is based on something that you assume that I do. I don't compare QBs to Romo , so I have no ideal if he is better or worse. I only know that the turnovers cost the team wins. You really bombed on your whole post.

 

[KJJ]

It's a simple task. You type a name and hit search.

I'm sure it is very simple when you've been doing it as long as you have.

Dinner table conversation focused on an aluminum can somebody found in the back of a cabinet, labeled "potted meat food product." Its origin is a mystery.

I'm sure you'll research the origin once you finish your latest passer rating search.

 

[jobberone]

I don't have an agenda I'm just giving an opinion just like everyone else. Everything we're discussing is based on opinion. A late turnover is much more costly than early turnover because there's usually not enough time to overcome it which was the case vs Denver on Romo's late int. It certainly wasn't all Romo's fault the Cowboys lost that game he gave the team the opportunity to win but he can't be excluded from taking some of the blame.

And Dallas was in the position of having to score late because......

 

[jobberone]

I'm sure it is very simple when you've been doing it as long as you have.



I'm sure you'll research the origin once you finish your latest passer rating search.

It's simple for anyone with a KB and internet access. You do need a subscription for some stats at some places. And PFR doesn't like popup blockers. Other than that it's a piece of cake.

 

[DandyDon1722]

You just said it there you can't prove me wrong. You haven't done one ounce of legwork to prove anything I've said wrong because you can't. Why should I list a large number of games regular season and postseason that proves my point when there's been 48 SB's and the last 5 prove my point? That doesn't indicate a pattern to you? No matter how many games I list you'll come back and scoff or toss an insult. I have posts throughout this entire thread proving my point but all you've done is gloss over them which has been proven by misinterpreting my comments. In the 92 SB Aikman's TD to turnover ratio was 4-0 and Kelly/Reich's ratio was 1-4. In the 95 SB Aikman's TD to turnover ratio was 1-0 while Neil O'Donnell's ratio was 1-3. In the 2007 playoffs Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 1-1 while Eli's ratio was 2-0.

In the 2008 season finale vs Philly with a playoff birth on the line Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 0-3 while McNabb's ratio was 2-0. In Romo's only playoff win in 2009 vs Philly his TD to turnover ratio was 2-0 while McNabb's ratio was 1-1. The following week in the blowout loss to Minn Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 0-3 while Favre's ratio was 4-0. In the season finale loss vs the Giants in 2011 with a playoff birth on the line Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 2-2 while Eli's was 3-0. In the season finale loss to Washington with a playoff birth on the line in 2012 Romo's TD to turnover ratio was 2-3 while RG3's was 0-0. In every elimination game loss Romo committed at least one turnover or made a mistake (fumbled snap vs Seattle) which "contributed" to each of those 6 losses. In 5 of Romo's 6 elimination game losses the opposing QB had the better TD to turnover ratio.

I don't need to list game after game throughout the entire history of the NFL to prove my point. There's exemptions to every rule but a QB's TD to turnover ratio compared to the opposing QB determines more big games than any stat. Turnovers are usually the difference in big games. You haven't brought anything to the table but insults. You've defended percy in this debate but you haven't provided anything that points to a QB's passer rating correlating to more wins than their TD to turnover ratio. You want to put me on the defensive proving something that every NFL expert would agree with but you don't want to provide anything to refute what I've been proving throughout this thread because you can't…nuff said!

I find it absolutely deliciously ironic that you quoted NFL experts who you believe would support your post yet those same expert's collective opinion of Tony Romo is infinetely higher than yours.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

As usual, you flunk at analysis. Rating is not a cumulative stat. Additionally, you could easily argue that teams that are up big have an easier time passing the ball as the defense is forced to combat more time-wasting strategies such as running. Your hero Peyton Manning threw 3 TDS in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 'Skins, 2 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the Ravens, and another whopping 3 TDs in the fourth quarter in a blowout against the 2-14 Texans. So much for your "analysis".

Let me ask you a question...have you ever heard of prevent defense?
Do you know what a QB rating looks like against a prevent defense?
When does a team play prevent defense? 4th quarter. Our team plays from behind plain and simple.

I want to see the stats of Romo when the game is on the line with 5 minutes left in the game. That is the "clutch" stat most people in the NFL refer too. And believe me, Romo's is nothing special.

All you guys have is the stats argument...where are the results?? Stats can be manipulated in any which way to make a bad situation look much better.

 

[KJJ]

And Dallas was in the position of having to score late because......

It's the NFL it happens especially with the passing games today. A lot of teams find themselves behind late with their QB having to orchestrate a last ditch drive. It happened to Eli twice late in both SB's vs NE. It happened to Roethlisberger late in the SB vs AZ. It happened to Joe Montana late in the SB vs Cinn and against the Cowboys in the 81 title game. Staubach found himself behind late in games many times but coming through in those situations is what built his legacy. It's not like Romo and the Cowboys were down by 10 points vs Denver late and Tony had to press. He had plenty of time to drive the team. Whether a defense gives up 51 points or 16 points QB's are going to find themselves behind late and the outcome of the game is riding on their shoulders.

 

[KJJ]

It's simple for anyone with a KB and internet access. You do need a subscription for some stats at some places. And PFR doesn't like popup blockers. Other than that it's a piece of cake.

I wouldn't know I don't waste my time looking up all kinds of passer rating stats. Everything that I deem relevant can be found without a subscription.

 

[jobberone]

I wouldn't know I don't waste my time looking up all kinds of passer rating stats. Everything that I deem relevant can be found without a subscription.

That pretty much sums up what some are saying.

 

[jobberone]

It's the NFL it happens especially with the passing games today. A lot of teams find themselves behind late with their QB having to orchestrate a last ditch drive. It happened to Eli twice late in both SB's vs NE. It happened to Roethlisberger late in the SB vs AZ. It happened to Joe Montana late in the SB vs Cinn and against the Cowboys in the 81 title game. Staubach found himself behind late in games many times but coming through in those situations is what built his legacy. It's not like Romo and the Cowboys were down by 10 points vs Denver late and Tony had to press. He had plenty of time to drive the team. Whether a defense gives up 51 points or 16 points QB's are going to find themselves behind late and the outcome of the game is riding on their shoulders.

AAAAhhhn't. No cigar for you. Wasn't the question anyway. You're floundering.

 

[5Stars]

It's the NFL it happens especially with the passing games today. A lot of teams find themselves behind late with their QB having to orchestrate a last ditch drive. It happened to Eli twice late in both SB's vs NE. It happened to Roethlisberger late in the SB vs AZ. It happened to Joe Montana late in the SB vs Cinn and against the Cowboys in the 81 title game. Staubach found himself behind late in games many times but coming through in those situations is what built his legacy. It's not like Romo and the Cowboys were down by 10 points vs Denver late and Tony had to press. He had plenty of time to drive the team. Whether a defense gives up 51 points or 16 points QB's are going to find themselves behind late and the outcome of the game is riding on their shoulders.

So...it's a one man show in your head. Romo must save the day! Romo has seen too many times that he had to bail out this Cowboy team! You're math sucks...

 

[KJJ]

I find it absolutely deliciously ironic that you quoted NFL experts who you believe would support your post yet those same expert's collective opinion of Tony Romo is infinetely higher than yours.

My opinion of Romo is as high as most of the experts you're just part of the agenda crowd who claims I hate Romo and blame everything on him. Most of the experts say the same exact things about Romo that I do because they're intelligent enough to recognize all the many positives he has as well as the few negatives that Cowboy FANS are in denial over.

 

[KJJ]

AAAAhhhn't. No cigar for you. Wasn't the question anyway. You're floundering.

You pointed to the defense for why the Cowboys were in a position of having to score late. A lot of teams find themselves in a position of having to score late due to their defense it happens every week in the NFL. Does Romo get exonerated from receiving any of the blame for the loss vs Denver because his defense put him in a position where the team had to score late?

 

[KJJ]

That pretty much sums up what some are saying.

Some don't know what they're saying they don't even waste their time looking up some of those passer rating stats do you? If that passer rating stat that has Romo as the second best late game QB had any relevance he wouldn't be carrying the choke label around. That stigma came from turning the ball over late in close games.

 

[5Stars]

My opinion of Romo is as high as most of the experts you're just part of the agenda crowd who claims I hate Romo and blame everything on him. Most of the experts say the same exact things about Romo that I do because they're intelligent enough to recognize all the many positives he has as well as the few negatives that Cowboy FANS are in denial over.

KJJ Wins...! 8 million people can't be wrong! At least you did not call yourself an expert....lol

Most of the experts in this forum like you. You are so magnificent towards your hate for not just Romo, but the lack to see what that the future brings...and blame it all on the QB.

idiot

 

[KJJ]

Awww, did her get her wittle feewings hurt?

You know you've gotten under someones skin when you start hearing the voices in their head. LOL

 

[Section446]

Thank the good lord, we only have to worry about Romo for a couple more seasons.

 

[peplaw06]

I can correct your first assumption in a hurry. I have repeatedly said that I don't compare Romo to other QBs. Go back and check my previous post in this thread. You are 100%!wrong on that assumption. Actually , your whole post is based on something that you assume that I do. I don't compare QBs to Romo , so I have no ideal if he is better or worse. I only know that the turnovers cost the team wins. You really bombed on your whole post.

If you don't compare Romo to other QBs, then what is your standard? What qualifies him as a good QB or not? How do you know whether his turnovers are something that is normal or not? You have to have a bright line test... Or do you just change your opinion from week to week based on whether he makes you cry or not?

 

[KJJ]

Thank the good lord, we only have to worry about Romo for a couple more seasons.

I got news if that come to fruition that's when the real worries are going to start. Those who think I hate him are so wrong.

 

[jobberone]

Some don't know what they're saying they don't even waste their time looking up some of those passer rating stats do you? If that passer rating stat that has Romo as the second best late game QB had any relevance he wouldn't be carrying the choke label around. That stigma came from turning the ball over late in close games.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Do you think we're just talking passing stats here? Or even Romo only?