Revisiting Romo's Late Game Stats

[KJJ]

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Do you think we're just talking passing stats here? Or even Romo only?

I don't know what you and others have been talking about but I've discussed a number of things and Romo's passer rating stats have been the predominant topic in most of my discussions.

 

[peplaw06]

Wish the Zone had a section that was completely unmoderated where you could take off the gloves and open up your arsenal.

Does your "arsenal" include anything of substance? You know, something you're holding back from this argument that actually backs up your stance? If so, not real sure why you can't unleash your arsenal here... but PM me and I'll tell you where you can go and get beat up on some more. If not, don't bother. I don't care to read your conclusory ******** anymore.

I didn't read but one of KJJ'S post and the response from pep is just what I described. I don't know KJJ other than reading his post occasionally . It was just plain to see what pep had on his agenda . I only know a couple of guys on this board and I don't know them well.

My agenda? If blowing up you and KJJ's flimsy arguments based on subjective stigmas is an agenda, then I guess I'm guilty. Of course, it might be argued that it's you two who have an agenda of trying to justify your skewed opinions of our franchise QB.

 

[peplaw06]

You know you've gotten under someones skin when you start hearing the voices in their head. LOL

Good one dbair.

 

[percyhoward]

It's simple for anyone with a KB and internet access. You do need a subscription for some stats at some places. And PFR doesn't like popup blockers. Other than that it's a piece of cake.

Anyone who can find their way here should be able to manage a PFR search. But to paraphrase Dr Zeus, they may not like what they find.

 

[jnday]

If you don't compare Romo to other QBs, then what is your standard? What qualifies him as a good QB or not? How do you know whether his turnovers are something that is normal or not? You have to have a bright line test... Or do you just change your opinion from week to week based on whether he makes you cry or not?

So you are not going to admit that you jumped to conclusions without knowing the facts ? You have been wrong on everything , so you think I should waste my time answering more of your uniformed questions? I see that Romo turns the ball over in these situations and it is costing the team games. I don't need to compare his actions to other QBs to know that is not a good thing. That is it. I have explained my position very well. You had preconceived assumptions that had no base in facts. You just thought you were smarter than what you are. You don't get another round of questions.

 

[peplaw06]

I'll just leave this here...

From the aforementioned PFR...

Career 4th quarter comebacks

Romo - 20 (2004-2013)
Aikman - 16 (1989-2000)
Staubach - 15 (1969-1979)

Game-winning drives

Romo - 23
Staubach - 23
Aikman - 21

 

[percyhoward]

I want to see the stats of Romo when the game is on the line with 5 minutes left in the game. That is the "clutch" stat most people in the NFL refer too. And believe me, Romo's is nothing special.

Newton, Smith, Stafford, Schaub, Freeman, and Vick all rank ahead of Brees, Brady, Rivers, Ryan, and Romo. In other words, at 5 min the sample is too small.

And teams play prevent defenses against all QB of course--not just Tony Romo.

 

[peplaw06]

So you are not going to admit that you jumped to conclusions without knowing the facts ? You have been wrong on everything , so you think I should waste my time answering more of your uniformed questions? I see that Romo turns the ball over in these situations and it is costing the team games. I don't need to compare his actions to other QBs to know that is not a good thing. That is it. I have explained my position very well. You had preconceived assumptions that had no base in facts. You just thought you were smarter than what you are. You don't get another round of questions.

The only thing I'm apparently wrong is in thinking you had an informed opinion. If you don't compare him to other QBs, then your opinion is without context and useless. If that's what you're going for, then congratulations.

Turnovers are no good. Wow you're really breaking new ground there Einstein.

 

[TrailBlazer]

I'll just leave this here...

From the aforementioned PFR...

Career 4th quarter comebacks

Romo - 20 (2004-2013)
Aikman - 16 (1989-2000)
Staubach - 15 (1969-1979)

Game-winning drives

Romo - 23
Staubach - 23
Aikman - 21

Awesome. How many rings they all got?

 

[peplaw06]

Awesome. How many rings they all got?

Moving the goalposts. That's not what this discussion is about.

 

[jnday]

Does your "arsenal" include anything of substance? You know, something you're holding back from this argument that actually backs up your stance? If so, not real sure why you can't unleash your arsenal here... but PM me and I'll tell you where you can go and get beat up on some more. If not, don't bother. I don't care to read your conclusory bull**** anymore.

My agenda? If blowing up you and KJJ's flimsy arguments based on subjective stigmas is an agenda, then I guess I'm guilty. Of course, it might be argued that it's you two who have an agenda of trying to justify your skewed opinions of our franchise QB.

You was wrong on every assumption that you made about my opinions of Romo. At least be man enough to admit it. You were wrong. C'mon say it. Give me that one reason to respect your opinion. I don't know if you was wrong about KJJ or not. I haven't read the post exchanged between the two if you. I feel like you based your argument with me , on KJJ's opinions and you assumed that we formed our opinions based on the same facts. If you made that mistake, at least show the honesty by saying so.

 

[peplaw06]

Romo's never had a season (excluding 2010 when he got injured in the 6th game) when he was outside the top 10 in the league in 4th qtr comebacks or game winning drives. That includes 2006 when he started 10 games.

 

[peplaw06]

You was wrong on every assumption that you made about my opinions of Romo. At least be man enough to admit it. You were wrong. C'mon say it. Give me that one reason to respect your opinion. I don't know if you was wrong about KJJ or not. I haven't read the post exchanged between the two if you. I feel like you based your argument with me , on KJJ's opinions and you assumed that we formed our opinions based on the same facts. If you made that mistake, at least show the honesty by saying so.

I assumed you had an informed opinion. I was wrong. I already said that.

 

[jnday]

Moving the goalposts. That's not what this discussion is about.

You wanted to accuse me if that, but I didn't give you the chance. That is your standard response when you don't have anything else. You are done.

 

[peplaw06]

You wanted to accuse me if that, but I didn't give you the chance. That is your standard response when you don't have anything else. You are done.

That's my standard response when an argument has been proven wrong, and someone then chimes in and changes the argument. That's what moving the goalposts means.

 

[jnday]

I assumed you had an informed opinion. I was wrong. I already said that.

Keep slinging the insults. That is all you have. My opinions are based on Romo's history of turnovers in certain situations. My opinions are much more informed than the opinions denying that it happens.

 

[jnday]

That's my standard response when an argument has been proven wrong, and someone then chimes in and changes the argument. That's what moving the goalposts means.

I know what it means and I know when you use it. You accuse anybody that is getting the best end of an argument with you of moving the goalpost . It is a weak effort to save face.

 

[Clove]

Wins and losses *are* what matter. When you're evaluating a TEAM. Or a coaching staff. Or a GM. Because those positions are above the player positions in the organizational hierarchy.

You cannot hold a player responsible for an entire game where there are ~135 snaps and he throws the ball less than 40 times. It just doesn't make any sense at all. I've asked this before, but, honestly, how much better does Romo have to play than the other QB (who's also throwing it ~40 times) for him to overcome limitations on the team the other 95 snaps where he's either off the field or just handing off the ball? If he's twice as good as the other QB with his 40 passes, does he close the gap entirely? What if he plays just about as well as the other guy, because the other guy is a good QB, too...is that Tony's fault?

You guys are making the mistake of overvaluing QB play because he's the guy that touches the ball on every offensive snap, and he's the guy on the throwing end of most of the scoring. But that's not the same thing as being solely responsible for wins and losses.

And, no, I don't give Romo credit automatically when the team wins. When he plays poorly and we win, then he played poorly. The thing is, he's a good player, so he plays well more often than not, even when we're only winning half the time. Funny how that works.

It's funny how I've never heard this in the Roger Staubach days or the Aikman days, because they actually won. You only hear this type of thinking from fans who are used to losing. When you're used to losing, and a losing QB and franchise, you try your best to make the glass half full, when there's not a drop in the cup.

The fact is, no matter how good or bad the team is, Romo has had the game in HIS hands during the season every year, and has thrown away several crucial games that put us in a do-or-die situation at the end, which he usually loses. When the ball is in the QBs hand at the end of the game, and he throws it away, it's on him. If he doesn't like that, then he can give up that big fat pay check and become a tight end.

And I would advise us Cowboys to stop thinking like losers and start blaming everyone on this team including your pretend god Romo. Everyone on this team, mainly Romo and Witten are responsible for losses on the field. I call those two out because you've removed everyone else on the team so they can't be blamed. They've been here through it all and haven't done squat. And I also blame the Coach and most of all, I blame Jerry Jones. As I sit here watching a great franchise in San Antonio Spurs, then have to go to sleep every night with my reality that we will never win with this GM, this Coach and this quarterback.

 

[iceberg]

If you had me on ignore then you should have known better and left me there. LOL

Face book.spookiedookie...come get me

 

[iceberg]

I know what it means and I know when you use it. You accuse anybody that is getting the best end of an argument with you of moving the goalpost . It is a weak effort to save face.

The weak effort is to judge a position by watching 1 player and saying they suck w zero understanding or caring how that position is played around the league.