RG3: "We made Cowboys Stadium our Home"

[skillet98]

RGIII is the most overrated player I've ever seen.... I can't believe all the Cowboys fans who ride this guy's jock. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

The jealousy is strong with this one lol. RG3 is overrated because I said so! Good analysis

 

[skillet98]

You have your opinion and hope that it will continue to work. I've got history on my side that defenses simply catch up to gimmick offenses every time. They did it with the run and shoot, they did it with the fun and gun, they did it with the wild cat, they'll do it once again with the pistol offense.

There's a major reason that college gimmick offenses, and gimmick offenses in general, don't last in the NFL. It ain't college and the players on defense, even the average or bad NFL players are still light years better than the vast majority of college players.

I am not interested in what Kiffin did or didn't accomplish at the college level. I'd put money on the fact that Dallas, bad as their defense is, would crush college offenses, including Chip Kelly's pistol offense at Oregon.

Now will Kelly have initial success in it at Philly? Quite possibly so. It won't work in the long term, cause like I said the NFL defenses always catch up to gimmicks, but it will work to some degree at the beginning of the year, and every once in a while after that because you've got pro athletes to run it.


But what Kiffin did with a vastly over-rated, and under talented, USC defense means nothing to the way NFL defenses play.

And quite frankly there is a great scheme for stopping the pistol. It's likely gonna cost you a penalty now and again but it's very effective. You smash the QB. Every time. Every single time. You're edge rusher takes the QB and you crush him.

Is the QB still gonna make a play now and then? Of course, especially a talented guy like RG3, but you smash him enough and trust me his coach, as well as any other coach with half a functional brain, is gonna stop asking his QB to run that stuff.

I could easily be wrong, I know this, but I'm very confident that history is on my side when it comes to NFL defenses catching up with gimmick offense.

I'll take the 15 yards and the first down all the way down the field. Any coach with half a functional brain is gonna stop having teams march down the field on them for being morons.

 

[Ring Leader]

Reminds me of "Family Guy". Do all Grifffins land that way?
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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Garrett is so dumb when it comes to his adjustments. The only time he looks smart is when Romo starts buying time and making plays with his feet.


When Haslett just went to that all out blitz Garrett should have gone 5 wide and got the ball out quick to our receivers. We can't block well and Garrett refuses to adjust his gameplan to a struggling O-line.

That's what I recommend. When your pass protection is weak you take out blockers. That way the blitzers can get there completely unabated.

 

[muck4doo]

Sorry, but I do think he is a bit overrated.

That's fine. But don't hate on a player just because he's good. That's what makes the NFL good. The game is much better when there is competition, and RG3 didn't choose where he went. For footballs sake you got a picture or Richard Sherman on your tag.

 

[Vabeachboy]

The point is, Cam didn't come back to earth

Newton had 180 less yards, his completion percentage was down slightly, he had fewer INT's and 2 fewer TD passes. His attitude during PC's midseason is what created this myth of Cam being figured out. But he ended the season as one of the better playing QBs in the NFL

The read option offense isn't a "gimmick" and I think everyone can bet that Kyle Shanahan isn't going to sit around and not make adjustments and tweaks to counter potential adjustments and tweaks.

Its not all about stats. How many games did they win. Its not just the QB. Defenses figure out the whole OFFENSE in general. That would mean he can have similar stats as the year before but the offense as a whole is not producing what it was the first year it was used by the team. The QB they have is the REASON they employ that offense. Once it stops working the QB does not get the results he did before because the offense needs to be modified to adjust to the way defenses are playing them. Scheme changes..Quarterbacks skillsets generally dont...BUT ANYWAYS you obviously just like to argue because now you are acting like Cam Newton is a Deadskins QB the way you are defending him. The only reason you would do that is because you think RG3 will be more like Cam ..maybe he will have similar stats as last year..but that doesn't mean your offense won't be less effective as a whole.

 

[boyzjunkie]

Yeah, the idea that RGIII is overrated is laughable. I hate the Commanders as much as anyone but there is no denying how good the guy is and will become, barring injuries. Imagine how different the tune would be if he had a star on his helmet.

Careful. We don't like comments of this sort.

 

[boyzjunkie]

I don't normally condone injur... wait a minute... Of course I do!

I want to hear RGKnee's ACL snap like a twig!

I can't stand that dude. Freaking picture up all over the Killeen/Copperas Cove area...

I know ya'll don't believe in karma. But I do and you're scaring me silly. If you have any love for Tony (and me) please give it a rest.

 

[muck4doo]

Am I going to get trolled again with someone who has Richard Sherman as his mascot?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Oh, he's referencing game 1 between the 2 teams. The game where Washington's secondary gave up 441 total yards thru the air. And Dallas gave up 304. But hey, Robinson did have 68 yds, 1 catch.

And the Cowboys still lost that game.

That 68 yard TD is a part of the reason they lost.

I'm not sure how you're trying to refute him here.

Do you realize he wasn't hurt or injured on a single read option play out of the Pistol formation? If anything, the Pistol kept him from getting further beat up, as the OL showed no ability to consistently pass protect or keep defenses honest by opening holes in a traditional formation. When the threat of the read option was removed, Morris averaged under 4 yards a carry and Griffin was often flushed from a collapsing pocket. Despite this, he completed 75% of his passes under pressure. Yet on the occasion he kept the ball and ran is when he exposed himself by not sliding or getting out of bounds.

If Griffin gets injured again, it will likely be a situation like that, which means the OL will need to get better in both running and pass blocking. Griffin will need to stop staring down his first read on occasion. And more than Garcon and Fred Davis needs to get open consistently.

We will have to agree to disagree because putting your QB in the position to be running the ball more often increases the chance for him to be hit that much more often.

Vick used to be this unstoppable beast too running around and you can see how that's turned out really great for him and the teams that bothered to play him. Now don't get me wrong here I think RG3 is a far far better QB than Vick, of that I don't really believe there is any debate, but the running around takes a toll on a QB, especially one with one wheel that's bad already.

I'll take the 15 yards and the first down all the way down the field. Any coach with half a functional brain is gonna stop having teams march down the field on them for being morons.

Yes I suppose that would work just like that if they get penalized every single time they hit the QB. If that becomes the case then the NFL game is for even bigger cry babies than I thought.


Yes I think sometimes you're gonna wind up getting penalized but I do believe that if you designate a guy to go to the QB and his job is to hit him and he hits him clean, as he's pitching, that yes enough times of that and teams will second guess running that.


This spread this is unique now but the wishbone, while granted different, was also at one time a huge college offense for letting your QB hurt people with his legs and it never worked in the NFL to any degree.

Now that's why I reconize that this new stuff is better than the wishbone but it's going to go by the wayside like any other type of offense similiar to it in the past. Option offenses simply aren't a recipe for long term success in the NFL.

Unless of course they continue to go the way of putting skirts and flags on the QBs and in that case this type of offense will be all the rage and everyone will be running it.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

We will have to agree to disagree because putting your QB in the position to be running the ball more often increases the chance for him to be hit that much more often.

Vick used to be this unstoppable beast too running around and you can see how that's turned out really great for him and the teams that bothered to play him. Now don't get me wrong here I think RG3 is a far far better QB than Vick, of that I don't really believe there is any debate, but the running around takes a toll on a QB, especially one with one wheel that's bad already.

That's fine, we can agree to disagree. No shame in that. I would still recommend you look up the statistics on QB injuries inside and outside the pocket, the results may shock you.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That's fine, we can agree to disagree. No shame in that. I would still recommend you look up the statistics on QB injuries inside and outside the pocket, the results may shock you.

Well not really. I'm sure the statics are overwhelmingly in favor of those in the pocket because the vast majority of QBs are pocket passers. Larger group of people in which to inflate the numbers with against a much smaller, more unique group, of quality players and athletes that can run around the field like studs.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That's fine. But don't hate on a player just because he's good. That's what makes the NFL good. The game is much better when there is competition, and RG3 didn't choose where he went. For footballs sake you got a picture or Richard Sherman on your tag.

Eh, I have a special disliking for RGIII. The picture of Sherman was after the Seahawks knocked the deadskins out of the playoffs. He is waving bye to RGIII and the hype. I thought it was classic.

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[Primetime42]

Eh, I have a special disliking for RGIII. The picture of Sherman was after the Seahawks knocked the deadskins out of the playoffs. He is waving bye to RGIII and the hype. I thought it was classic.

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I don't dislike RG3. Sherman is a straight-up turd.

 

[muck4doo]

I don't dislike RG3. Sherman is a straight-up turd.

Nailed it. RG3 is a classy kid. I hate that he plays for the Commanders, but that's just how the chips fall. If RG3 were a Cowboy you know our fans would all love him. Someone posting that has Sherman as his mascot shouldn't say much, but will.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Its not all about stats. How many games did they win. Its not just the QB. Defenses figure out the whole OFFENSE in general. That would mean he can have similar stats as the year before but the offense as a whole is not producing what it was the first year it was used by the team. The QB they have is the REASON they employ that offense. Once it stops working the QB does not get the results he did before because the offense needs to be modified to adjust to the way defenses are playing them. Scheme changes..Quarterbacks skillsets generally dont...BUT ANYWAYS you obviously just like to argue because now you are acting like Cam Newton is a Deadskins QB the way you are defending him. The only reason you would do that is because you think RG3 will be more like Cam ..maybe he will have similar stats as last year..but that doesn't mean your offense won't be less effective as a whole.

What on earth are you talking about?

My entire point is people act as if Cam Newton turned into a pumpkin, 2,500 yard, 10 TD 25 INT QB overnight.

The guy had very similar numbers from his rookie year and also played incredibly well down the stretch.

The hope of "well RG3 will be figure out like Cam was figured out" is false because Cam wasn't "figured out"

If RG3 is healthy, I expect him to improve on his rookie year and the Commanders as a team to improve. The gimmick responses of "taking 15 yard penalties" to stop a "gimmick offense" aren't grounded in reality.

The offense will evolve as defenses evolve to catch up. Saban mentioned the key to stopping the RO is play assignment football. You play assignment football in the NFL, a QB is going to have ALL DAY in the pocket.

I look forward to that

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

What on earth are you talking about?

My entire point is people act as if Cam Newton turned into a pumpkin, 2,500 yard, 10 TD 25 INT QB overnight.

The guy had very similar numbers from his rookie year and also played incredibly well down the stretch.

The hope of "well RG3 will be figure out like Cam was figured out" is false because Cam wasn't "figured out"

If RG3 is healthy, I expect him to improve on his rookie year and the Commanders as a team to improve. The gimmick responses of "taking 15 yard penalties" to stop a "gimmick offense" aren't grounded in reality.

The offense will evolve as defenses evolve to catch up. Saban mentioned the key to stopping the RO is play assignment football. You play assignment football in the NFL, a QB is going to have ALL DAY in the pocket.

I look forward to that

Keep on drinking

But, like Mike Tomlin said, that stuff will get shut down - its the NFL, and the gimmicks ALWAYS get exposed.

 

[jnday]

Keep on drinking

But, like Mike Tomlin said, that stuff will get shut down - its the NFL, and the gimmicks ALWAYS get exposed.

You are wasting your time. The only hope of sucess that the Commanders have is that this gimmick offense won't be exposed. History has shown that these things take a year or two to figure out and it is a thing of the past. A Commander fan is going to cling to the only hope they have.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

How many times do we have to talk about it as a "gimmick" offense ?

These men played in or against these type of offenses all the time from the time they were 12.

They have all seen them before, as well as the coaches.

Frankly, it comes across as simply not knowing the game.

 

[Rack]

How many times do we have to talk about it as a "gimmick" offense ?

These men played in or against these type of offenses all the time from the time they were 12.

They have all seen them before, as well as the coaches.

Frankly, it comes across as simply not knowing the game.

The read option IS a gimmick offense. Period.

Just like the Run & Shoot was when Jack Pardee was with the Oilers.

Just like the Wildcat is/was.


Teams will learn how to shut it down and he'll be forced to play as a more conventional type QB. At that point he'll either sink or swim.