RG3: "We made Cowboys Stadium our Home"

[egn22]

Please show evidence of this media hype. EVERYONE is riding Chip Kelly's balls saying how innovative he is. Hell did you watch the draft? None of the panel picked us to win the division.

Evidence??? Are you kidding me?? I'll show evidence of something that's not common knowledge. I outlined specific examples for you. If u need sources go check the ESPN archives.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Which is fine by me. He can have all the cute highlight reel plays, and awesome youtube video montage moments in the world while he's in DC, as long as he continues to be used the way he is, continues to get banged up and hurt, and never wins a big one for DC I'll be absolutely thrilled.

No one knows for sure where they plan on taking the offense from here, but I disagree that you will see the same percentage of pistol formation plays this season. If you watch the video of the draft party, a young fan asked RG3 about the read option. He said he'd been playing in it his entire football career, but now they were working on incorporating other aspects of the offense. What he likely means is more of what the offense was prior to last season. As the season progressed, the percentage of plays ran that weren't in the pistol formation rose as well.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

I believe he's referencing the problems from each game as two reasons he's not worried about the Dallas Defense at all this year.

He's under the impression, and rightfully so, that the defense isn't going to be able to do anything to stop Washington cause by his thought process either Ware is going to remain 'confused' and not be able to be a factor or if Ware starts playing great the secondary won't be able to cover anyone.


The only thing I see wrong with what he's trying to pass off here is the idea that Ware played poorly because he was confused, which is completely stupid, and not because he was 1 armed and had absolutely no business being on that field.

Anyone watching should have known, immediately, that Ware should not have been playing because he simply couldn't play effectively with the injuries he had.


Some people just like to try and make their gimmick offenses seem way more complicated than they really are and I suspect it's due to the fear that this gimmick offense, which will now be intensively studied by all teams due to Washington using it last year, the Eagles likely using it this year, and the 49ers to some degree using it, is going to wind up very much like the Wildcat did.

Amazing, trendy, ever so confusing and hard to stop....for about a season and a half. Then the defenses, as they always do, catch up and that college gimmick crap doesn't work.

Funny, people who claim the Pistol will go the way of the wildcat, yet have no clue how that will happen beyond blind hope that "defensive coordinators will catch up to it." Your DC Monte Kiffin hasn't caught up to it yet. Ask him how that's going.

The differences between the wildcat and the pistol are glaring, but no more obvious than the fact that the wildcat has an over-dependence in one aspect of how an offense can operate, and the Pistol presents you with three. There is no scheme to defeat the pistol, especially when the quarterback running it is extremely good, like Griffin. And not a stiff, like Joe Webb. Your best hope is to have a disciplined defense, that rarely blows assignments, to slow it down.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

RGIII is the most overrated player I've ever seen.... I can't believe all the Cowboys fans who ride this guy's jock. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Idgit]

RGIII is the most overrated player I've ever seen.... I can't believe all the Cowboys fans who ride this guy's jock. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Time will tell how his career plays out. He might well be stalked by injuries, or the league might well adjust to what he does well, but I thought he was maybe the most interesting player in the league to watch last year, and he's enormously talented. I think I can say that while still saying I detest the entire Commander nation and everything they stand for. But RGIII-and-out can play.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Time will tell how his career plays out. He might well be stalked by injuries, or the league might well adjust to what he does well, but I thought he was maybe the most interesting player in the league to watch last year, and he's enormously talented. I think I can say that while still saying I detest the entire Commander nation and everything they stand for. But RGIII-and-out can play.

Please sniff somewhere else.

 

[muck4doo]

RGIII is the most overrated player I've ever seen.... I can't believe all the Cowboys fans who ride this guy's jock. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Dude. Mellow out.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Funny, people who claim the Pistol will go the way of the wildcat, yet have no clue how that will happen beyond blind hope that "defensive coordinators will catch up to it." Your DC Monte Kiffin hasn't caught up to it yet. Ask him how that's going.

The differences between the wildcat and the pistol are glaring, but no more obvious than the fact that the wildcat has an over-dependence in one aspect of how an offense can operate, and the Pistol presents you with three. There is no scheme to defeat the pistol, especially when the quarterback running it is extremely good, like Griffin. And not a stiff, like Joe Webb. Your best hope is to have a disciplined defense, that rarely blows assignments, to slow it down.

You have your opinion and hope that it will continue to work. I've got history on my side that defenses simply catch up to gimmick offenses every time. They did it with the run and shoot, they did it with the fun and gun, they did it with the wild cat, they'll do it once again with the pistol offense.

There's a major reason that college gimmick offenses, and gimmick offenses in general, don't last in the NFL. It ain't college and the players on defense, even the average or bad NFL players are still light years better than the vast majority of college players.

I am not interested in what Kiffin did or didn't accomplish at the college level. I'd put money on the fact that Dallas, bad as their defense is, would crush college offenses, including Chip Kelly's pistol offense at Oregon.

Now will Kelly have initial success in it at Philly? Quite possibly so. It won't work in the long term, cause like I said the NFL defenses always catch up to gimmicks, but it will work to some degree at the beginning of the year, and every once in a while after that because you've got pro athletes to run it.


But what Kiffin did with a vastly over-rated, and under talented, USC defense means nothing to the way NFL defenses play.

And quite frankly there is a great scheme for stopping the pistol. It's likely gonna cost you a penalty now and again but it's very effective. You smash the QB. Every time. Every single time. You're edge rusher takes the QB and you crush him.

Is the QB still gonna make a play now and then? Of course, especially a talented guy like RG3, but you smash him enough and trust me his coach, as well as any other coach with half a functional brain, is gonna stop asking his QB to run that stuff.

I could easily be wrong, I know this, but I'm very confident that history is on my side when it comes to NFL defenses catching up with gimmick offense.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

No one knows for sure where they plan on taking the offense from here, but I disagree that you will see the same percentage of pistol formation plays this season. If you watch the video of the draft party, a young fan asked RG3 about the read option. He said he'd been playing in it his entire football career, but now they were working on incorporating other aspects of the offense. What he likely means is more of what the offense was prior to last season. As the season progressed, the percentage of plays ran that weren't in the pistol formation rose as well.

And this could happen. I don't have a clue if they're going to try and put him in more and more traditional offense or any clue about his ability to effectively run those types of offenses. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.

But I do know if the plan is to continue to run him in this style and expose him to injury he's going to get injuried.

And I don't care what all the excitement and love and hardwork and dedication in the world is thrown out there about how great his knee is the simple fact is that knees don't magically comeback from knee injuries without increased danger and risk of reinjury.

Especially when it's two bad knee injuries to the same knee in a few years time.

 

[Avenger]

Didn't even watch and don't plan to but, countdown to the fans who say he's right...10...9...8...

Did the Skins take an injured, brittle rookie QB and sweep us last season... knocking us out of the playoffs?

Why would anyone think that gives them bragging rights?

Some people.

Sheesh!

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I believe he's referencing the problems from each game as two reasons he's not worried about the Dallas Defense at all this year.

He's under the impression, and rightfully so, that the defense isn't going to be able to do anything to stop Washington cause by his thought process either Ware is going to remain 'confused' and not be able to be a factor or if Ware starts playing great the secondary won't be able to cover anyone.


The only thing I see wrong with what he's trying to pass off here is the idea that Ware played poorly because he was confused, which is completely stupid, and not because he was 1 armed and had absolutely no business being on that field.

Anyone watching should have known, immediately, that Ware should not have been playing because he simply couldn't play effectively with the injuries he had.


Some people just like to try and make their gimmick offenses seem way more complicated than they really are and I suspect it's due to the fear that this gimmick offense, which will now be intensively studied by all teams due to Washington using it last year, the Eagles likely using it this year, and the 49ers to some degree using it, is going to wind up very much like the Wildcat did.

Amazing, trendy, ever so confusing and hard to stop....for about a season and a half. Then the defenses, as they always do, catch up and that college gimmick crap doesn't work.

Oh, he's referencing game 1 between the 2 teams. The game where Washington's secondary gave up 441 total yards thru the air. And Dallas gave up 304. But hey, Robinson did have 68 yds, 1 catch.

 

[Idgit]

Please sniff somewhere else.

Sorry we can't agree about how good a player another team's QB is. It's not like I don't do more than my fair share of Sk*ns bashing around here.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

And this could happen. I don't have a clue if they're going to try and put him in more and more traditional offense or any clue about his ability to effectively run those types of offenses. Maybe he can, maybe he can't.

But I do know if the plan is to continue to run him in this style and expose him to injury he's going to get injuried.

And I don't care what all the excitement and love and hardwork and dedication in the world is thrown out there about how great his knee is the simple fact is that knees don't magically comeback from knee injuries without increased danger and risk of reinjury.

Especially when it's two bad knee injuries to the same knee in a few years time.

Do you realize he wasn't hurt or injured on a single read option play out of the Pistol formation? If anything, the Pistol kept him from getting further beat up, as the OL showed no ability to consistently pass protect or keep defenses honest by opening holes in a traditional formation. When the threat of the read option was removed, Morris averaged under 4 yards a carry and Griffin was often flushed from a collapsing pocket. Despite this, he completed 75% of his passes under pressure. Yet on the occasion he kept the ball and ran is when he exposed himself by not sliding or getting out of bounds.

If Griffin gets injured again, it will likely be a situation like that, which means the OL will need to get better in both running and pass blocking. Griffin will need to stop staring down his first read on occasion. And more than Garcon and Fred Davis needs to get open consistently.

 

[muck4doo]

RGIII is the most overrated player I've ever seen.... I can't believe all the Cowboys fans who ride this guy's jock. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

You do realize most players don't get to pick and choose where they play, unless their last name is Manning, right? I like RG3, though I hate his team. I also liked Lester Hayes, but hated the Raiders. Same goes for Ronnie Lott. Did you also hate Derrick Thomas because he played for the Chiefs? How about Reggie White? Face it. We would have loved it if we had any of those guys. But they got chosen by other teams. That's just football and the NFL.

 

[Vabeachboy]

Not sure why this board is always down on Cam. He had a big yr last yr. He has a weak wr corps. Hes significantly better than any of the qbs you just compared him to.

Oh I'm not down on Cam. I was just using his second season as an example of an athletic QB that came back down to earth once defenses became more familiar with his tendencies,strenths, weaknesses etc...Same exact thing happened to Vince Young...and I'm betting the same will happen to Kapernick.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Oh I'm not down on Cam. I was just using his second season as an example of an athletic QB that came back down to earth once defenses became more familiar with his tendencies,strenths, weaknesses etc...Same exact thing happened to Vince Young...and I'm betting the same will happen to Kapernick.

The point is, Cam didn't come back to earth

Newton had 180 less yards, his completion percentage was down slightly, he had fewer INT's and 2 fewer TD passes. His attitude during PC's midseason is what created this myth of Cam being figured out. But he ended the season as one of the better playing QBs in the NFL

The read option offense isn't a "gimmick" and I think everyone can bet that Kyle Shanahan isn't going to sit around and not make adjustments and tweaks to counter potential adjustments and tweaks.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

There's a major reason that college gimmick offenses, and gimmick offenses in general, don't last in the NFL. It ain't college and the players on defense, even the average or bad NFL players are still light years better than the vast majority of college players.

Hmm, I see quite a few shotgun spread offenses in the NFL now. The shotgun was once considered a "gimmick"

Look at the Patriots fast tempo, shot gun spread offense. That is the Oregon Chip Kelly O

As for your counter of "smashing" the QB, you actually have to, you know, be able to get your hands on him in the read option. As soon as the QB hands off the ball and throws his hands up he is off limits and probably out of range of a defender who isn't out there willing to lose a paycheck.

The first time a QB gets smashed in your way and a suspension plus missed paycheck follows will end that little strategy

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

Sorry we can't agree about how good a player another team's QB is. It's not like I don't do more than my fair share of Sk*ns bashing around here.

My humor seems to be lost on everyone today. Maybe I'm just not funny.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You do realize most players don't get to pick and choose where they play, unless their last name is Manning, right? I like RG3, though I hate his team. I also liked Lester Hayes, but hated the Raiders. Same goes for Ronnie Lott. Did you also hate Derrick Thomas because he played for the Chiefs? How about Reggie White? Face it. We would have loved it if we had any of those guys. But they got chosen by other teams. That's just football and the NFL.

Sorry, but I do think he is a bit overrated.

 

[BlueStar3398]

Bring it on, Gimpy!

GO COWBOYS!! :starspin