RG3: "We made Cowboys Stadium our Home"

[AsthmaField]

Saban mentioned the key to stopping the RO is play assignment football. You play assignment football in the NFL, a QB is going to have ALL DAY in the pocket.

I look forward to that

Kiffin's defense has been described as assignment sound football - which it is. However, if you think Kiffin won't find a way to get a passrush with Ware, Spencer, Hatcher, and Ratliff, then you simply haven't been paying attention. Either to the quality of the pass rushers Dallas has nor to what kind of defense Kiffin and Marinelli run. They are all about pressuring the QB, first and foremost. Play the run on the way to the QB.

Basically, what you saw against Seattle in the last game is along the lines of what you'll see against Dallas this season.

 

[jnday]

How many times do we have to talk about it as a "gimmick" offense ?

These men played in or against these type of offenses all the time from the time they were 12.

They have all seen them before, as well as the coaches.

Frankly, it comes across as simply not knowing the game.

I know the game and it's history. We can revisit this topic in three or four years when this offense is faded memories. Keep clinging to the one thing that has worked for your team in recent history. It's all you got.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

Eh, I have a special disliking for RGIII. The picture of Sherman was after the Seahawks knocked the deadskins out of the playoffs. He is waving bye to RGIII and the hype. I thought it was classic.

[youtube]8JBTLtGPdnQ[/youtube]

That actually had nothing to do with RG3. He was talking trash to Trent Williams and Trent punked him. Prior to that, he gave RG3 props and wish him well on his recovery.

What were you watching?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

That actually had nothing to do with RG3. He was talking trash to Trent Williams and Trent punked him. Prior to that, he gave RG3 props and wish him well on his recovery.

What were you watching?

Probably the scoreboard that said 24-14

 

[AsthmaField]

That actually had nothing to do with RG3. He was talking trash to Trent Williams and Trent punked him. Prior to that, he gave RG3 props and wish him well on his recovery.

What were you watching?

Trent Punked him? lol

Trent lost his cool along with losing the game. Not only could his team not beat the seahawks on the field that day, but he couldn't take a little trash talk afterward and he completely lost his composure.

Sherman waving bye is the image that sticks with people.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

The read option IS a gimmick offense. Period.

Just like the Run & Shoot was when Jack Pardee was with the Oilers.

Just like the Wildcat is/was.


Teams will learn how to shut it down and he'll be forced to play as a more conventional type QB. At that point he'll either sink or swim.

A gimmick is a one dimensional tool. The Patriots pretty much run the run n shoot, the rules allow for it today.

A great read which many on this board never feel like reading, which I have posted a dozen times.

I can only imagine how you guys treated Tom Landry's shotgun offense in the 70s

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-Commanders-rg3

Then the trailing team sprang to life, scoring four touchdowns in less than a quarter, tying the game 31-31, by throwing the ball 65 times using three, four and five receiver sets and a frenetic no-huddle pace. The comeback failed, however, as the team that once led by 28 points responded with a quick touchdown of their own, and won 41-34. It was a good game, but an odd one.

What was not strange were the teams’ tactics. In high school and college, football has been rapidly changing. New variations on the read-option, no-huddle and all manner of other new offensive strategies seem to pop up every year. There, change is normal. But I wasn’t watching two high schools, or even two teams from the Mid-American Conference or the Big 12. No, what made the game odd was that I was watching the San Francisco 49ers and the New England Patriots in the National Football League.

“There are no gimmicks in our offense,” Nevada head coach Chris Ault recently explained. [source]. “When the shotgun offenses came out, I enjoyed watching those teams move the football. The thing I did not like was the idea of a running back getting the ball running east and west,” he said. “We have always been a north and south running game offense.”

The entire premise of Ault’s pistol attack is to combine the best of the shotgun spread offenses, like Chip Kelly’s attack at Oregon [source], with the traditional, north-south power attack Ault had coached for more than 20 years. The Pistol alignment is merely the means by which to do it; the “Pistol Offense” is this blend of old and new.

“As I’ve tried to explain to people, whenever the guy who takes the snap is a threat to run, it changes all the math of defenses,” Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano said last March [source]. “That’s really what defense is, it’s getting your troops to where the ball is going to be. And when that guy holding it is a threat to run, it changes the numbers – minus-one.”

Seattle's season changed last season once they went to the pistol/read option. The 49ers offense exploded in the 2nd half of the season once Kapernick was put in. The Commanders led the NFL in explosive plays.

Kiffin's defense still relies on the numbers advantage, which is why he was a failure vs Oregon while at USC. His D will struggle again at the NFL level. And a healthy RG3 will continue to have success in Cowboys stadium, keeping it his home.

The whole "its a gimmick offense it will get figured out" is nothing but wishful thinking. The shotgun should have been "figured out." The 2 TE set should have been figured out. At one point the T formation was a "gimmick" and should have been figured out. Football evolves and for every adjustment D-cords make, offensive cords will have counters. Smart coaches like Shanahan and Harbaugh won't just roll out the same thing they did last year

 

[Primetime42]

A gimmick is a one dimensional tool. The Patriots pretty much run the run n shoot, the rules allow for it today.

A great read which many on this board never feel like reading, which I have posted a dozen times.

I can only imagine how you guys treated Tom Landry's shotgun offense in the 70s

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-Commanders-rg3









Seattle's season changed last season once they went to the pistol/read option. The 49ers offense exploded in the 2nd half of the season once Kapernick was put in. The Commanders led the NFL in explosive plays.

Kiffin's defense still relies on the numbers advantage, which is why he was a failure vs Oregon while at USC. His D will struggle again at the NFL level. And a healthy RG3 will continue to have success in Cowboys stadium, keeping it his home.

The whole "its a gimmick offense it will get figured out" is nothing but wishful thinking. The shotgun should have been "figured out." The 2 TE set should have been figured out. At one point the T formation was a "gimmick" and should have been figured out. Football evolves and for every adjustment D-cords make, offensive cords will have counters. Smart coaches like Shanahan and Harbaugh won't just roll out the same thing they did last year

You're completely off-base saying the Pats run the Run-N-Shoot. They have many ELEMENTS of the Run-N-Shoot, as do the Giants and other teams. But it's NOT the Run-N-Shoot.

And I'm sorry, the Commanders' offense is not comparable to what the Seahawks and 49ers were doing at the end of the season. This read option BS is really easy to stop if coordinators make sure their players know what the hell they're doing.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

You're completely off-base saying the Pats run the Run-N-Shoot. They have many ELEMENTS of the Run-N-Shoot, as do the Giants and other teams. But it's NOT the Run-N-Shoot.

And I'm sorry, the Commanders' offense is not comparable to what the Seahawks and 49ers were doing at the end of the season. This read option BS is really easy to stop if coordinators make sure their players know what the hell they're doing.

The Patriots spread the field with multiple WR's and often with a no huddle. It is the K-gun/no huddle of the 1990s ala Bills/Oilers with Oregon concepts of Chip Kelly in there.

The 49ers/Seahawks, as the season went along added more elements of the Commanders offense to their own O, which is why they started to succeed.

From the article

Following a 19-13 loss to the St. Louis Rams, Carroll watched film of Griffin’s Commanders attack and saw something he didn't necessarily expect: an NFL team successfully using the very concepts he’d had to deal with when he was head coach at Southern Cal and faced Chip Kelly’s Oregon team

If the read option is so easy to stop, why did the Cowboys fail to on 2 occassions and get killed 2 different ways? On Thanksgiving with RG3's arm slicing and dicing your secondary, and in the finale Alfred Morris setting a record

The big adjustment the Commanders will have this year is a speed running back (Chris Thompson) which wasn't there last year. Another element to the O

 

[Primetime42]

The Patriots spread the field with multiple WR's and often with a no huddle. It is the K-gun/no huddle of the 1990s ala Bills/Oilers with Oregon concepts of Chip Kelly in there.

The 49ers/Seahawks, as the season went along added more elements of the Commanders offense to their own O, which is why they started to succeed.

From the article



If the read option is so easy to stop, why did the Cowboys fail to on 2 occassions and get killed 2 different ways? On Thanksgiving with RG3's arm slicing and dicing your secondary, and in the finale Alfred Morris setting a record

The big adjustment the Commanders will have this year is a speed running back (Chris Thompson) which wasn't there last year. Another element to the O

Those concepts you mention are not what make the R-N-S. Nor did the R-N-S utilize the tight ends the way the Patriots do. Again, the Giants would be a better example and even they do not run a true R-N-S.

And to your second question, the Cowboys were extremely undisciplined in both games, but especially in that second game when it comes to the read option. Read option wasn't killing them in the first game as much as blown coverages. I expect it to be corrected.

And I didn't say it was easy to stop. I said it was easy to stop if you know what you're doing and are disciplined. The Cowboys did neither.

 

[5Stars]

The Patriots spread the field with multiple WR's and often with a no huddle. It is the K-gun/no huddle of the 1990s ala Bills/Oilers with Oregon concepts of Chip Kelly in there.

The 49ers/Seahawks, as the season went along added more elements of the Commanders offense to their own O, which is why they started to succeed.

Yeah, right! The Commanders taught the 49'ers and Seahawks how to win! They taught the Seahawks so good that they beat the crap out of the Commanders!

Dude...get outta here with that crap.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah, right! The Commanders taught the 49'ers and Seahawks how to win! They taught the Seahawks so good that they beat the crap out of the Commanders!

Dude...get outta here with that crap.

I lived in the beltway area for 30 years. This is normal Skins FanSpeak. Its so typical. They have their own reality. And the sad thing, they really believe it.

 

[muck4doo]

Probably the scoreboard that said 24-14

Nice!!! :laugh2:

 

[Rack]

A gimmick is a one dimensional tool. The Patriots pretty much run the run n shoot, the rules allow for it today.

I stopped reading right there. The Pats are one of the best rushing teams in the NFL. They LEAD the NFL in rushing TD's. They don't run the "Run & Shoot".

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

I stopped reading right there. The Pats are one of the best rushing teams in the NFL. They LEAD the NFL in rushing TD's. They don't run the "Run & Shoot".

New England was ranked 7th in rushing. The Commanders 1, Seahawks 3, and 49ers 4. (hmm, looks like the read option is on to something)

But the Patriots run concepts and variations of it. The no huddle aspect, the spread out O, the pace, the speed.

To be real fair, the Pats offense is essentially a pocket version of what Oregon does.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2...s-power-one/nHTapuVnBOwfFlffwTrN6J/story.html

FOXBOROUGH — Just one word can be powerful.

Saying, “Help,” lets someone know a person needs assistance.

“Sorry,” can immediately heal some wounds.

“Stop,” could save someone from harm.

Yes, just one word can be potent.

The same holds true for football and the Patriots.

When the Patriots’ offense is at its best and running roughshod over opponents — like getting out to a 31-7 lead in Sunday’s 31-21 victory over the Broncos — it’s when they are going with the fast version of their no-huddle offense.

And against the Broncos, the Patriots ran it faster than ever. It was breathless with 89 offensive plays (second in team history for a non-overtime game since they had 94 in a 28-10 loss to the Steelers in 1989) and a franchise-record 35 first downs, the eighth-highest total in league history.

The NFL never has seen anything like it, and it may never be the same.

How did the Patriots run the offense that fast? What was the key?

One word.

eah, right! The Commanders taught the 49'ers and Seahawks how to win! They taught the Seahawks so good that they beat the crap out of the Commanders!

Dude...get outta here with that crap

Reading is fundamental

http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2012/12/27/3792740/pistol-offense-nfl-Commanders-rg3

“They’re way ahead of everybody else in terms of their commitment to a really college style of offense,” Carroll said of the Commanders. “And it’s been very effective.” [source]. While the Seahawks have not used the Pistol much this year, they have increasingly adopted the zone read and other college-style schemes. “It just opens you up to the possibility of some things to do,” Carroll explained. “It was a good move for me and it’s helped us a little bit. I was influenced a little bit more than I thought when I first looked at it. You see some of our stuff coming to life and it’s helping us.”

Yet in Week 15, against the Bills, Wilson tied the NFL record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback in a game, with two of his three scores coming on the zone read. Russell Wilson had to go to the NFL to run a college-style system.

If you are going to come at me, at least know what the hell you are talking about or else you look stupid

 

[skinsscalper]

What on earth are you talking about?

My entire point is people act as if Cam Newton turned into a pumpkin, 2,500 yard, 10 TD 25 INT QB overnight.

The guy had very similar numbers from his rookie year and also played incredibly well down the stretch.

The hope of "well RG3 will be figure out like Cam was figured out" is false because Cam wasn't "figured out"

If RG3 is healthy, I expect him to improve on his rookie year and the Commanders as a team to improve. The gimmick responses of "taking 15 yard penalties" to stop a "gimmick offense" aren't grounded in reality.

The offense will evolve as defenses evolve to catch up. Saban mentioned the key to stopping the RO is play assignment football. You play assignment football in the NFL, a QB is going to have ALL DAY in the pocket.

I look forward to that

Umm actually Cam did regress. Look at his rushing yards and TDs compared to his rookie season. See any significant difference? Once Cam had to actually play QB instead of relying on the gimmick stuff his team's win totals hit the floor.

Starting to sound familiar? Griffin is actually going to have to play QB this year rather than the schoolyard game because, if nothing else, his coach wants to keep him (you know) upright. RGIII's injury history is going to dictate that he play a different game. We'll see how he fares.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Umm actually Cam did regress. Look at his rushing yards and TDs compared to his rookie season. See any significant difference? Once Cam had to actually play QB instead of relying on the gimmick stuff his team's win totals hit the floor.

Starting to sound familiar? Griffin is actually going to have to play QB this year rather than the schoolyard game because, if nothing else, his coach wants to keep him (you know) upright. RGIII's injury history is going to dictate that he play a different game. We'll see how he fares.

Do you not know how to read?

Cam's passing numbers were in line with what he did last year. His rushing TD's were at an historic pace his rookie year, however looking at his season splits he was balling to end the year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/13994/cam-newton (see Gamelog and in particular his last 5 games, 4 of which were Carolina wins)

The myth of Newton coming back to earth is just that, a myth. And wishful thinking that it will happen to a healthy RG3

 

[skinsscalper]

Do you not know how to read?

Cam's passing numbers were in line with what he did last year. His rushing TD's were at an historic pace his rookie year, however looking at his season splits he was balling to end the year.

The myth of Newton coming back to earth is just that, a myth. And wishful thinking that it will happen to a healthy RG3

Which is the point, genius. His passing numbers didn't suffer yet his rushing numbers did and his team was less effective. It's not rocket surgery.

No one knows how RGIII is going to adjust. He could be phenomenal he could hit the floor anyone who says they know is full of ish. One thing is certain: He'll be playing a different game than he played last year. His injury history and coaching decisions will dictate it. The unknown is his level of success.

Wad your panties about it all you want.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Which is the point, genius. His passing numbers didn't suffer yet his rushing numbers did and his team was less effective. It's not rocket surgery.

No one knows how RGIII is going to adjust. He could be phenomenal he could hit the floor anyone who says they know full is of ish. One thing is certain: He'll be playing a different game than he played last year. His injury history and coaching decisions will dictate it. The unknown is his level of success.

Wad your panties about it all you want.

The team finished up winning 5 out of 6, including vs ATL. They had a horrific start though to the year.

You can keep your head thinking wishfully, in particular when the wishful thinking is built on the myth of Cam Newton being a sophomore year flop.

Then again as a passer RG3 is far superior to Cam Newton skill set wise and has better coaching (with Chud also leaving Carolina to head to CLE)

RG3 will be very effective next year and will be very effective out of the pistol formation. How the Commanders adjust the pistol formation and the read option game remains to be seen.

There will be tweaks. There will be adjustments. And there will be more RG3 TD passes at Cowboys stadium, which is what this thread is all about

 

[skinsscalper]

The team finished up winning 5 out of 6, including vs ATL. They had a horrific start though to the year.

You can keep your head thinking wishfully, in particular when the wishful thinking is built on the myth of Cam Newton being a sophomore year flop.

Then again as a passer RG3 is far superior to Cam Newton skill set wise and has better coaching (with Chud also leaving Carolina to head to CLE)

RG3 will be very effective next year and will be very effective out of the pistol formation. How the Commanders adjust the pistol formation and the read option game remains to be seen.

There will be tweaks. There will be adjustments. And there will be more RG3 TD passes at Cowboys stadium, which is what this thread is all about

They also beat one winning team in that stretch (Atlanta). Feasting on the NFL's bottom feeders isn't all that impressive. But, by all means, carry on.

They also found a way to lose to Kansas City in that stretch (you know, the worst team in the league last year).

 

[Vabeachboy]

They also beat one winning team in that stretch (Atlanta). Feasting on the NFL's bottom feeders isn't all that impressive. But, by all means, carry on.

They also found a way to lose to Kansas City in that stretch (you know, the worst team in the league last year).

I've tried explaining the same thing to this guy about Cam...he is just refusing to listen because that means that we're right about defenses catching up to QBs and offenses the next year. Which means that its possible his Hall of Fame second year RG3 may be less effective just like every other QB in that type of mold and skill set. Not to mention the injury potential. One year, one knee...let's see how it goes. Its pointless to argue with this Skin fan. He defends Cam like he's a Skins QB because actually he is...but his name is different. His name is RG3...same guy..same type of game...and he knows that it can be the same type of results...less surprises...less rushing... more pocket passing...and hopefully for us less effective offense overall.