Rice admits to “illegal” use of stickum

[khiladi]

The difference is that the Patriots has a vehicular manslaughter ticket as well.

I don't think anybody thinks they needed a deflated ball to beat the Colts, but when you have egregiously cheated in the past future transgressions, even if smaller in scope, get massive scrutiny.

In other words, they did it to themselves.




YR

There is another difference too. The advantage of holding onto deflated balls pertains to the WHOLE Patriots offense, while for Rice, him exclusively.

But of course, we have plenty of instances in NFL history of individuals breaking the rules. Doesn't justify the Pats cheating.

It's the Lance Armstrong complex...

 

[khiladi]

 

[Nightman]

"Any team caught cheating should be held accountable to the same standard" =/= "The Patriots were caught cheating."

You accuse me of not being smart enough to comprehend your words

I then quote you directly and the post you were responding to

You then put quotation marks around some words you never said to try and prove I was wrong

I shake my head and laugh in disbelief

 

[Rogah]

You accuse me of not being smart enough to comprehend your words

I then quote you directly and the post you were responding to

You then put quotation marks around some words you never said to try and prove I was wrong

I shake my head and laugh in disbelief

Newsflash: "Any team caught cheating should be held accountable to the same standard" =/= "The Patriots were caught cheating."

 

[khiladi]

http://m.torontosun.com/2015/01/24/...a-whole-load-of-belichick-rules-manipulations

He asked, “Did they do it? I honestly don’t think they did. To tell you the truth, I’m not so sure they’re not sitting around today thinking, ‘I wish we’d thought this up,’ knowing them."

Westhoff doesn’t like even helping New England in this way, however.

“As much as I hate to, I’m going to defend them,” Westhoff said. “And trust me, I hate to defend them. (Spygate) was only a part of it. The number of things that were like this? There’s only a handful of them that have been made public.

“Trust me, what I’m tellin’ you. There are quite a few others. Clock violations. You can go on and on. There’s a whole s---load.”

 

[Doomsay]

For what? Filming a man standing on the sidelines in front of 80,000 people? Puh-leeze. Sorry, charlie, just another speeding ticket - and everything else is just hater made up nonsense and lies.

Clearly the NFL knew that their crime was far far more damning than that or they wouldn't have levied the unprecedented penalties against the recidivist cheaters in the first place. Charlie should be lighting a candle at any one of the 1000's of local Patriot celebrations going on all throughout New England this month, rather than cursing the darkness on a Cowboys' site.

 

[Doomsay]

Newsflash: Yes, like so many things in our society....

Attacking our society now are we?

x

 

[adbutcher]

rogah you should submit your resume to the cheatriots as their spokesman because wherever a threat is posed to their integrity you swoop in to babble nonsense. You are tireless, tirelessly wrong.

 

[joseephuss]

Newsflash: Yes, like so many things in our society, a quote attributed to someone is something that was spoken directly to a member of the media who then relayed the quote on to all the rest of us.

Phil Simms' integrity has never been called into question AFAIK and there is no legit reason to think he is making the whole thing up.

I don't think Simms just made it up nor do I question is integrity. I just don't take it as the whole story. There is no context behind it and in the example of Rodgers hands Simms has shown he can mess up some facts.

Please note I never said anywhere that Rodgers should be punished, let alone punished severely. I just laugh at the hypocrisy of people like you who want to throw the book at the Patriots when you didn't give 2 turds about Rodgers admitting he did it or the Vikings actually getting caught doing it.

I have never wanted to throw the book at the Patriots on this issue. You just choose to make things up in your head that I do. I think they should be punished, but I don't think the punishment should be severe. I have stated this in a few threads. I also don't think the league will throw down a big punishment. I imagine it will be a fine of around $1m. Stop playing the persecuted martyr. You just think everyone hates the Pats when the realty is that you are so blinded by your fandom that you don't think they have done anything wrong.

Again Rodgers did nothing against league rules. Over-inflating the footballs prior to inspection by the official is not tampering. Getting them afterwards and over-inflating them or tampering with them at that time is against the rules. You just refuse to to repeat it over and over ignoring what exactly occurred. It is very disingenuous.

 

[speedkilz88]

I highly doubt Rice used Stickum. Stickum was banned because of the mess it made getting all over the balls. The refs can easily see and feel it. He would have been caught. Rice also wore tacky gloves. So it is more likely he used a liquid or spray on the gloves to make them even more tacky. As long as it didn't leave residue on the ball I doubt anyone cared. I think it is pretty common also.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

http://m.torontosun.com/2015/01/24/...a-whole-load-of-belichick-rules-manipulations

He asked, “Did they do it? I honestly don’t think they did. To tell you the truth, I’m not so sure they’re not sitting around today thinking, ‘I wish we’d thought this up,’ knowing them."

Westhoff doesn’t like even helping New England in this way, however.

“As much as I hate to, I’m going to defend them,” Westhoff said. “And trust me, I hate to defend them. (Spygate) was only a part of it. The number of things that were like this? There’s only a handful of them that have been made public.

“Trust me, what I’m tellin’ you. There are quite a few others. Clock violations. You can go on and on. There’s a whole s---load.”

“If it’s anybody that walks the edge on the rules, it’s these guys,” Westhoff said. “Sometimes they remind me a little bit of Enron — they’re always the smartest guys in the room, until some day maybe they’re not. That’s how I feel about them."

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

Newsflash: Yes, like so many things in our society, a quote attributed to someone is something that was spoken directly to a member of the media who then relayed the quote on to all the rest of us.

Phil Simms' integrity has never been called into question AFAIK and there is no legit reason to think he is making the whole thing up.

Please note I never said anywhere that Rodgers should be punished, let alone punished severely. I just laugh at the hypocrisy of people like you who want to throw the book at the Patriots when you didn't give 2 turds about Rodgers admitting he did it or the Vikings actually getting caught doing it.

The Vikings sat balls in front of heater, and it was outdoors. Asked not to do it and moved the balls, right?

The Pats, if guilty, took balls AFTER inspected and certified by league officials and then, not out in the open for all to see, let air out AFTER the inspection and certification.

The two are not the same. Not even close to being the same. Major fail on your part to keep bringing up the Vikings as if it somehow excuses the Pats for a deliberate sneaky attempt to circumvent the rules.

 

[Rogah]

I highly doubt Rice used Stickum. Stickum was banned because of the mess it made getting all over the balls. The refs can easily see and feel it. He would have been caught. Rice also wore tacky gloves. So it is more likely he used a liquid or spray on the gloves to make them even more tacky. As long as it didn't leave residue on the ball I doubt anyone cared. I think it is pretty common also.

The guy openly and freely admitted it. That's good enough for me.

Attacking our society now are we?

No, I am just educating you on how the grown up world works. So many quotes attributed to people were spoken directly to members of the media, who then repeated the quotes in print or some public forum, as is the case when Phil Simms reported what Aaron Rodgers said.

That's not an attack. Quite the contrary; things should work that way.

 

[Rogah]

I have never wanted to throw the book at the Patriots on this issue. You just choose to make things up in your head that I do. I think they should be punished, but I don't think the punishment should be severe. I have stated this in a few threads. I also don't think the league will throw down a big punishment. I imagine it will be a fine of around $1m. Stop playing the persecuted martyr. You just think everyone hates the Pats when the realty is that you are so blinded by your fandom that you don't think they have done anything wrong.

Again Rodgers did nothing against league rules. Over-inflating the footballs prior to inspection by the official is not tampering. Getting them afterwards and over-inflating them or tampering with them at that time is against the rules. You just refuse to to repeat it over and over ignoring what exactly occurred. It is very disingenuous.

Unfortunately for you, there is no evidence that that actually happened.

Sorry but when you want to fine 1 team a million dollars for something when another team was caught doing the same sort of thing they got a letter of warning, then that's being a hater.

 

[Rogah]

The Vikings sat balls in front of heater, and it was outdoors.

They deliberately heated balls (after inspection) in a blatant violation of NFL rules with the goal of making those balls easier to grip, catch and handle.

The Pats, if guilty, took balls AFTER inspected and certified by league officials and then, not out in the open for all to see, let air out AFTER the inspection and certification.

Why does being out in the open make any sort of difference? The Pats spygate cameraman was out in the open for all to see, so I guess that wasn't really a penalty was it?

The two are not the same. Not even close to being the same.

The two are virtually identical: Illegally tampering with footballs in order to make them easier to grip and handle.

Major fail on your part to keep bringing up the Vikings as if it somehow excuses the Pats for a deliberate sneaky attempt to circumvent the rules.

Not at all. I am bringing it up to show what, precisely, this "crime" demands in terms of punishment. I have stated several times that any team caught cheating should be held accountable, but all teams should be held accountable to equal standards. You cannot send one team a letter of warning then hit the other team for suspensions, draft picks, and million dollar fines when the crimes are virtually identical.

And let the record show that, for the sake of argument, I am playing along with the assumption that the Patriots are guilty even though it's looking more and more like they are not.

 

[Rogah]

“If it’s anybody that walks the edge on the rules, it’s these guys,” Westhoff said. “Sometimes they remind me a little bit of Enron — they’re always the smartest guys in the room, until some day maybe they’re not. That’s how I feel about them."

It's actually pretty funny how y'all are hanging on to the word of Westoff when he admits he thinks the Patriots are innocent in this case.

Believing something Westoff says about the Patriots is like believing something Daniel Snyder says about the Cowboys.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

It's actually pretty funny how y'all are hanging on to the word of Westoff when he admits he thinks the Patriots are innocent in this case.

Believing something Westoff says about the Patriots is like believing something Daniel Snyder says about the Cowboys.

what is funnier is how you keep showing your Lance Armstrong Complex to defend the cheatriots on a cowboys forum. now thats comedy. but its not just westoff. many folks from many areas KNOW the pats are chronic and repeat cheaters. the poster boys of the league. but keep up that comedy gold!

so you are both a cowboys fan and a patriots fan? any other teams or just these two?

 

[MichaelValentino]

I know this is off topic from the direction of this thread but when stickum was banned I think it was Raiders WR Fred Biletnikoff - a serial stickum user, as was his teammate corner Lester Hayes - who said that without stickum "receivers would still make great catches, they just won't make them with their elbows anymore."

lol. All-time great line.

Back to the title, Rice wore tacky gloves, like everyone has been using for the last 30 years, but I had no idea he was gumming up. I actually only saw Rice drop one catchable ball. I think it was his rookie year in the playoffs vs NYG. He was wide open on a bomb down the middle. I think the Giants won that game handily. .....then again, I can't remember what my wife says to me five minutes later.

Sorry for my intrusion. Carry on.

 

[joseephuss]

Unfortunately for you, there is no evidence that that actually happened.

Sorry but when you want to fine 1 team a million dollars for something when another team was caught doing the same sort of thing they got a letter of warning, then that's being a hater.

No, it is recognizing that they are a repeat offender. The spygate incident plays into this one. The Vikings don't have a prior offense. If and when the Vikes do something for the second time then their punishment should go up.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

I can't remember what my wife says to me five minutes later.

But I bet you can remember what you read on CowboysZone five Days, or even five MONTHS later.

Thats because you're reading and posting here while she's talking to you.