Rice admits to “illegal” use of stickum

[joseephuss]

I think that if they did it (which it's looking more and more like they didn't) then their punishment should be in line with similar punishments for similar infractions.

Vikings got caught illegally tampering with footballs to make them easier to grip and handle and got a letter of warning. The NFL guidelines for this "crime" recommend a fine of $25,000. Granted that's just a guideline but it would not be fair to hold any team to a standard so much higher than all the rest.

League guidelines say $25,000 fine. One team got caught and got nothing but a letter of warning. Sorry, but a $1 million fine is just so obscenely out of proportion that it cannot be justified.

The $25k is a minimum fine, not the fine. Eleven footballs times $25k is $275K. Multiply that by either 3 or 4 because this is their second infringement and you get an overall fine of around $1 million. You keep comparing it to the Vikes, but this is not the Vikes second offense. Everything has to be taken into account.

 

[Rogah]

The $25k is a minimum fine, not the fine.

No crap. That's why I used the word "guideline" in my post 3 times. I admit there is some leeway regarding the actual amount, but it takes a special kind of hater to take a fine with a recommended guideline of $25,000 and turn it into $1 million.

Eleven footballs times $25k is $275K.

Ah, I can see you're one of those still married to the discredited Mort-Report.

Multiply that by either 3 or 4 because this is their second infringement and you get an overall fine of around $1 million. You keep comparing it to the Vikes, but this is not the Vikes second offense. Everything has to be taken into account.

They don't throw guys into federal penitentiaries for 20 years when they get caught doing 70 in a 60, even if they have a prior criminal record.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

They don't throw guys into federal penitentiaries for 20 years when they get caught doing 70 in a 60, even if they have a prior criminal record.

it also doesn't give them an unfair advantage. but in sports when a team or a player cuts corners or bends the rules it can.

Ah, I can see you're one of those still married to the discredited Mort-Report.

discredited by WHO again?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Ah, I can see you're one of those still married to the discredited Mort-Report.

Apparently several people not affiliated with the Patriots confessed

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Geez Louise. Aren't their several Patriots threads. What in the heck does Jerry Rice have to do with any of that ?

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scroll back and look at comment #2. your comment should be directed there.

 

[joseephuss]

No crap. That's why I used the word "guideline" in my post 3 times. I admit there is some leeway regarding the actual amount, but it takes a special kind of hater to take a fine with a recommended guideline of $25,000 and turn it into $1 million.
Ah, I can see you're one of those still married to the discredited Mort-Report.
They don't throw guys into federal penitentiaries for 20 years when they get caught doing 70 in a 60, even if they have a prior criminal record.

A $1 million fine isn't equivalent to throwing the pats into prison for 20 years. Not even close. Your comparison would be more apt if someone was saying to take away their draft picks and suspend players and coaches for a full season. The NFL fined Dallas much more than $1 million on their first offense.

I'm hardly a hater of the pats. It takes a close minded person to come to that conclusion.

 

[Rogah]

discredited by WHO again?

By several different reports, some saying the balls were only 1 PSI under, and then even more recent reports saying they were just "a tick" under 12.5.
Seriously.... pick up a newspaper every once in a while.

 

[Rogah]

A $1 million fine isn't equivalent to throwing the pats into prison for 20 years. Not even close.

Maybe not, but a $1 million fine is huge compared to the recommended guideline of $25,000. It is about 40 times the recommended amount - not to mention the team caught tampering with football earlier this year didn't even get the fine, they got a letter of warning.

 

[joseephuss]

Maybe not, but a $1 million fine is huge compared to the recommended guideline of $25,000. It is about 40 times the recommended amount - not to mention the team caught tampering with football earlier this year didn't even get the fine, they got a letter of warning.

What part of second offense do you not understand?

 

[Rogah]

What part of second offense do you not understand?

I obviously understand the term much better than you considering this isn't considered a 2nd offense, but I'll let it slide that you can't understand the conceptual difference between "2nd offense" versus "repeat offender". Regardless.....

what part of "you don't give someone 40 times the recommended penalty" do you not understand? You don't fine people $10,000 for going 70 in a 60.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The 'everybody cheats' excuse is just an excuse. If they all cheat, they should all be held accountable. That doesn't excuse NE for not playing with regulation equipment and benefiting from it being out of regulation.

Yep.

I am surprised no one sees and realizes that when coaches and players come out and talk about doing these things in the past.... that it's just a Public Relations family machine. Players covering for players, coaches covering for coaches and sports covering for sports... Etc etc

 

[joseephuss]

I obviously understand the term much better than you considering this isn't considered a 2nd offense, but I'll let it slide that you can't understand the conceptual difference between "2nd offense" versus "repeat offender". Regardless.....

what part of "you don't give someone 40 times the recommended penalty" do you not understand? You don't fine people $10,000 for going 70 in a 60.

If you prefer the term "repeat offenders" I can use it. You still keep ignoring that the pats are "repeat offenders" when you bring up the Vikes. If/when the Vikes become "repeat offenders" then they can face some harsher penalties as well. Dallas wasn't a "repeat offender" when they got their $10 million fine. And this issues while not nearly has drastic as spygate is not the equivalent of a speeding ticket. That metaphor is lacking.

 

[Rogah]

If you prefer the term "repeat offenders" I can use it. You still keep ignoring that the pats are "repeat offenders" when you bring up the Vikes. If/when the Vikes become "repeat offenders" then they can face some harsher penalties as well.

No I don't ignore that fact. I have asked a question many, many times which said the Vikings got caught tampering with footballs and got a letter of reprimand. If a first offense warrants a letter of reprimand, what should a 2nd offense get? My question even assumes, for the sake of argument, that they have been shown to be guilty (which they haven't) and that this was indeed a 2nd offense (which it isn't).

Dallas wasn't a "repeat offender" when they got their $10 million fine.

Dallas wasn't fined $10 million, they had $10 million in cap space taken away from them. Good job showing us all you don't know what you are talking about. I have often called that one of the greatest injustices in NFL history because the rest of the league violated federal law by engaging in collusion and the only 2 teams not part to the collusion got severly punished.

And this issues while not nearly has drastic as spygate is not the equivalent of a speeding ticket. That metaphor is lacking.

When the recommended guideline for a penalty is a $25,000 fine, and they even caught someone tampering with footballs and gave them only a letter of reprimand, then yes this is the NFL equivalent of a speeding ticket.

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

By several different reports, some saying the balls were only 1 PSI under, and then even more recent reports saying they were just "a tick" under 12.5.
Seriously.... pick up a newspaper every once in a while.

oh check out mr. condescending!

again who? oh yeh Ian Rapoport. clearly no allegence to boston whatsoever right?! haha comedy. and only the ball that was intercepted was a full two pounds under. comedy!

 

[Rogah]

oh check out mr. condescending!

again who? oh yeh Ian Rapoport. clearly no allegence to boston whatsoever right?! haha comedy. and only the ball that was intercepted was a full two pounds under. comedy!

Even before the Rapoport report, there were other reports (led mostly by Florio) that the balls were, at most, 1 PSI under.

I'll take an NFL Network reporter over BSPN any day of the week. But you go on and remain married to Mort.

Oh and seriously..... pick up a newspaper every once in a while

 

[DallasCowboys2080]

Even before the Rapoport report, there were other reports (led mostly by Florio) that the balls were, at most, 1 PSI under.

I'll take an NFL Network reporter over BSPN any day of the week. But you go on and remain married to Mort.

Oh and seriously..... pick up a newspaper every once in a while

COMEDY! Thanks for all that you try and do. It's entertaining. Your defense of the pats has been unwavering. I will give you that. Yeah and Mort isn't the only one.

 

[khiladi]

“If it’s anybody that walks the edge on the rules, it’s these guys,” Westhoff said. “Sometimes they remind me a little bit of Enron — they’re always the smartest guys in the room, until some day maybe they’re not. That’s how I feel about them."

I came to know that Matt Walsh actually implicated Ernie Adams as the guy he gave the video tapes to during Spy-gate. For a guy that was supposedly a nobody, for him to single out Ernie Adams when BB was previously arguing he couldn't pick Walsh out of a line-up is just another one of the absurdities about these lies. What is also comical is that when McDaniel was accused to filming on the side-lines the very guy that did it worked for the Patriots from 2001-2004 working the videos as well. His father was an assistant coach for the Patriots.

People talk about Parcells allegedly not winning without BB, well guess what? BB hasn't won a single game in NE without Ernie Adams. Some people say he was the mind behind the eligible-ineligible stunt the Patriots pulled these play-offs.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I came to know that Matt Walsh actually implicated Ernie Adams as the guy he gave the video tapes to during Spy-gate. For a guy that was supposedly a nobody, for him to single out Ernie Adams when BB was previously arguing he couldn't pick Walsh out of a line-up is just another one of the absurdities about these lies. What is also comical is that when McDaniel was accused to filming on the side-lines the very guy that did it worked for the Patriots from 2001-2004 working the videos as well. His father was an assistant coach for the Patriots.

People talk about Parcells allegedly not winning without BB, well guess what? BB hasn't won a single game in NE without Ernie Adams. Some people say he was the mind behind the eligible-ineligible stunt the Patriots pulled these play-offs.

No no no... This is not regular popcorn.... No no no... This has gotta be Orville Redenbacher!

 

[TheDallasDon]

Even before the Rapoport report, there were other reports (led mostly by Florio) that the balls were, at most, 1 PSI under.

I'll take an NFL Network reporter over BSPN any day of the week. But you go on and remain married to Mort.

Oh and seriously..... pick up a newspaper every once in a while

I don't like BSPN but Rapoport is horrible

 

[Rogah]

I don't like BSPN but Rapoport is horrible

They're all horrible. In cases like these what we usually see are the initial reports tend to be less accurate than the stuff that gets leaked later on. A lie is halfway around the world in the time it takes the truth to put on its pants. Mort's initial report has been contradicted multiple times and he has backed down from it. It isn't like he's out there standing by the accuracy of his own report from 3 weeks ago.